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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:48 Agathon wrote:
I'm asking myself why Naniwa loose his code S when Idra get a code S.
They have the same behaviour !
Naniwa going rush drone on his last game or Idra insulting his opponents during his ladder games (i can link a video if you want to deny it)...If GOM wants respectfull players, why giving a code S slot to Idra? No reason for that. It's contradictory.
No they don't. Idra was nothing but respectful with GSL. They gave him a farewell vid.
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This is ridiculous. Even though I don't approve of it itt's naniwa's decision, if he doesn't want to play he can probe rush. Other than people seem to think he owes us nothing.
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Although Naniwa's an idiot for doing what he did (he should have just 4-gated) I disagree with this decision. I don't see a connection between the rule and his behavior at all, but on the other hand IdrA's in code S!
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They should give Naniwa spot in Code S to Stephano now 
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Poll: Should he have been banned?Yes, he had it coming. (103) 52% No, it is too harsh. (94) 48% 197 total votes Your vote: Should he have been banned? (Vote): Yes, he had it coming.
(Vote): No, it is too harsh.
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good decision Gom, he deserved to be punished after disappointing and insulting the fans, the Gom staff and the sponsors. I really dont mind not seein him play again, theres always gonna be another toss thats better than him or just as good sooner or later, especially since sc2 is a growing game.
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If probe rushing is BM to the opponent what the crap are manner mules and dancing your units in their base?
Double standards.
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Everyone who is upset about naniwa being punished is just butt hurt
He did something that almost everyone was disappointed seeing he didn't treat the other player with respect and what he did was really BM i thought Naniwa had moved passed his BM attitude but how he acted was immature . Like how would you like it hosting a tournament people are paying money to watch and then having one of the players just straight up lose on purpose cause he doesn't advance. Then the player said he is justified in what he was doing in a culture that is run on respect like wtf man? Then people saying they won't support a certain circle of eSports in the world even though they just punished one player? You guys are acting like kids grow up. Look at it from Gom's view Naniwa's actions reflected on GOM they want to show case that they have professionals who are acting the part and treating everyone with respect and give off an air of professionalism in a growing industry that is seen as childish to most of the world . Fucking grow up guys and look at the big picture
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On December 14 2011 19:53 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:52 iCemiLo wrote:
lol @ the ppl thinking that probe rushing is the same as 6-pooling, 1-1-1-ing, and manner mule-ing... So intentionally trying to make fun of your opponent is more honorable than not trying to win? I'd say both are unacceptable.
because none of them are making fun of your opponent? MVP manner muled when he loses as well, and he's probably one of the first if not the first terran that started it
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On December 14 2011 19:53 valaki wrote:
LorangerChris Chris Loranger
if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?
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yupp
So he agrees hero and coca should get lifetime bans?
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On December 14 2011 19:53 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:52 iCemiLo wrote:
lol @ the ppl thinking that probe rushing is the same as 6-pooling, 1-1-1-ing, and manner mule-ing... So intentionally trying to make fun of your opponent is more honorable than not trying to win? I'd say both are unacceptable.
111/6 pool are solid strategies, so no they are definately not unacceptable
manner muleing etc is a different story and (in my personal opinion) should not be tolerated, but it looks like the koreans feel different about it
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On December 14 2011 19:45 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:29 Terranist wrote:
i believe there is a reasonable explanation for naniwa's behavior. he had nestea tilted at MLG, which is a valuable psychological tool in a competitive environment. why play out a meaningless game and allow nestea any sort of redemption and lose the one edge he had over nestea? there was a definite potential that they could've clashed in code S.
secondary to that, gom should give money incentives to compete till the end of the group instead of shitting on naniwa. Theres no need for a reasonable explantion, the behaviour itself was completely reasonable. Naniwa played to win the tournament, not to put on a fake show. No compromises. Whether this is entertaining to watch is up to the viewer, but if you want to see real competition, this is way more honest than playing a half hearted 4gate. I dont understand anyone preferring players to fake it when clearly there is no real competition going on anymore. And people should also stop with all that terrible honor bullcrap. Honor is a concept that was solely invented to make people be proud of a behaviour that is unfavorable for themselves so that others can directly profit from it. Its a means of oppression, nothing more. I want to watch a competition, not some shitty travesty.
There is a difference between a half hearted 4-gate and an unmicroed 7-probe rush and the difference keeping up appearances. To not do that is seen as a deliberate act of disrespect by most people. If he does a 4-gate then that's basically "I accept that I have to play this game so lets just get it over with" while 7-probe rush is "fuck you I'm not playing this game".
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On December 14 2011 19:45 Drowsy wrote:
Jesus, all he had to do was proxy 2gate instead of probe rush if he didn't care and wanted to get the game over with and none of this shitstorm would have happened. Seems ridiculous to revoke something as precious as a Code S spot for a relatively minor and inconsequential offense. They're acting as if he punched one of the korean commentators or something.
Let's put it this way. The only way you can get your spot taken away from you from the GSL and be ostracized by the Korean community is to probe rush another player on tv. Considering ppl actually pay for these matches and / or stay up late hours to watch them, I think this is fine. Especially considering b/c you can NEVER win a probe rush. Ya for GOMTv, ya for at least some fucking standards of decency.
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On December 14 2011 19:53 valaki wrote:
LorangerChris Chris Loranger
if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?
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yupp
So he's right because? There's already precedence to say he's wrong (Choya).
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On December 14 2011 19:54 Reggae-Troll wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:50 Decessus wrote:On December 14 2011 19:45 HolydaKing wrote:On December 14 2011 19:44 snailz wrote:
GOMTV lost a lot of love today And gained a lot of love today! I doubt people who agreed with this decisions will buy more tickets because of it. I'm pretty sure many people that disagreed will stop buying them though. I'm getting a ticket. GomTV made the right decision, fits my sense of professionalism 100%
I bought all tickets last year up to October but lost interested. I will buy this year just to support since other people won't buy them.
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D: It feels so wrong, so so wrong, that someone loses a sead just because some people were "offended" by a way of playing. I'm sorry Gom but traditional Korean way of thinking has no place in the occidental society, not buying any more season tickets.
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On December 14 2011 19:54 theBALLS wrote:Poll: Should he have been banned?Yes, he had it coming. (103) 52% No, it is too harsh. (94) 48% 197 total votes Your vote: Should he have been banned? (Vote): Yes, he had it coming.
(Vote): No, it is too harsh.
Guys keep voting, I think this is the best way to see the general consensus on the matter.
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On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban.
People are defending this since Naniwa has more haters than any other player out there. This isn't about what they think about the punishment, it's about what they think of him as a person.
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On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban.
You obviously have no insite into the Asian culture or into professionalism in general so no point explaining anything. I never said a lifetime ban anyways.
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On December 14 2011 19:51 tetrismaan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:48 hYrasD wrote:On December 14 2011 19:44 snailz wrote:
GOMTV lost a lot of love today Nani lost a lot more love yesterday No he gained a lot more love because he doesn't give a flying fuck about playing pointless games. He showed us that he is only playing to win. Like a real champion. If it's a GLOBAL starcraft league, then why should they adapt to the Korean culture? They should've known that when they accept players from different cultures, they will also accept their ways of behaving (ofcourse to a certain extend). This is just such an ignorant move by GOMtv.
He showed you that he's only playing to win... by intentionally losing a game? Really? -_-;;
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