EPTnhl hockey: a team clinches first place overall and gets home ice advantage with 10 games to go. they let their stars rest, but the team plays the last 10 games even if they dont matter with their call ups from ahl and shit. they dont play with their sticks upside down the whole game, they go out and play. they are under contract to play obviously, but why? because there are paying customers. who cares if its a game that won't take you further in a tournament, its still a game a lot of fans paid a few dollars for. thats 1 reason to play with your hand on the keyboard at least. he took his hand off the keyboard in front of the camera. how is this not offensive to a culture that is so very respectful to each other? not to mention TL's fanaticism for drama, how many of you were itching to see naniwa vs nestea again. also, just general respect for your opponent. duh
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
nhl hockey: a team clinches first place overall and gets home ice advantage with 10 games to go. they let their stars rest, but the team plays the last 10 games even if they dont matter with their call ups from ahl and shit. they dont play with their sticks upside down the whole game, they go out and play. they are under contract to play obviously, but why? because there are paying customers. who cares if its a game that won't take you further in a tournament, its still a game a lot of fans paid a few dollars for. thats 1 reason to play with your hand on the keyboard at least. he took his hand off the keyboard in front of the camera. how is this not offensive to a culture that is so very respectful to each other? not to mention TL's fanaticism for drama, how many of you were itching to see naniwa vs nestea again. also, just general respect for your opponent. duh | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:48 Weemoed wrote: He didn't break any rules. Yes, that 'one rule about professionalism'. Which is a strange rule because it doesn't describe anything. In the end, it gives GOM the option to ban a player according to this rule without explaining why the person was banned. In this case it is obvious (although I don't agree) but such rules are not good for a proffessional organisation. The rule should be explained in much more detail. At this moment, it just says 'if we don't like you, you can get banned'. Brilliant. well, if the rule should be formulated more clearly in the future is a different question. Right now they have this rule and they enforce it. I think the idea is good, because gom can't have players throwing their games as long as they want to have regular customers. Esports should be professional and that's what they are trying to enforce. I didn't read the excact rule book, so maybe they could define the rule a bit better, but as I said -> different topic | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:50 Xenorawks wrote: If you are a foreigner stepping into Korean grounds, learn their culture and respect it, don't bring your disgusting, disrespectful attitude into a place where gaming is taken so seriously. Do it only in your own country for all you want since people there were raised to do whatever they want anyway, it is very different especially to the chinese, koreans and japanese people because they have a special culture that is unique to any other people. Parents there are very strict and people were taught about respect, doing your best, and fighting till the very end. Spoken from experience. Well deserved punishment. Players playing drunk and win trading is pretty disgusting and they were korean. Don't act like korean culture is all tim tebowy. | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
NaNiwa showed a complete lack of respect for the tournament and deserves his punishment. | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:49 LXR wrote: I don't understand how people view this as GOM making a joke out of themselves, if anything, it just shows their higher standards and a greater level of respect that i think are only necessary for e-sports... then you should lighten up. enforcing players to fake matches is hardly beneficial for the integrity of sc2 as a competitive sport. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9489 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:48 trucane wrote: What a joke then again I'm not surprised when it comes from GOM. Forcing players to play meaningless matches only to punish them when they don't play seriously. Yea I for one would take Kespa over this crap that is GOM, Kespa would probably do the same but they would never make a player play a pointless match Ya. GOM forced Naniwa to come for a chance to win some money. Kespa has done worse. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:49 jalstar wrote: No, he earned the Code S seed in a very explicit way, by finishing the highest out of any non-Code-S players at MLG. If that's not earning it then MMA and MC didn't earn theirs. Just saying, DRG, MMA and MC did get a lot of crap for their code S tickets. They mentioned it in their interviews over and over that they got criticized by others for getting into code S easy. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:49 Vari wrote: there are rules. not all rules can be hard cut and not all punishments can be applied immediately. uhhh, rules are there so they can be seen and followed. This wasnt something based on a rule, it was a kneejerk reaction because GOM was upset it technically couldnt do anything but they said screw it and punished him. You're essentially saying you should have rules that allow you to do anything at any time when that wasnt even the case here. | ||
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote: So Gom is removing people's Code S for doing certain strats? Wish the same thing would happen if a Terran 1-1-1. + Show Spoiler + Half joking, half serious. I don't see why Naniwa got revoked. According to TL that was the best match of the night. Why ban the guy that gave you the best match of the night? Gom rules mean any strategy deemed "abusive" could lead to a ban. The rule is supposed to mean verbal or physical abuse but gom haven't applied it that way so I guess we shall see what other unjustified bans may come in the future. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote: NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this. Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision. Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind. I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out. But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:49 Roxy wrote: dude u are making me facepalm so hard right now learn to read naniwa did not break any rules how can you penalize someone for not breaking the rules? ..this isnt north korea Since when do you need to explicitly break rules for a league to punish you? Don't like their arbitration? Then don't play in the league. As a viewer, if you don't agree with the decision, then let GomTV know your displeasure. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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iCemiLo
Singapore94 Posts
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GoonFFS
Denmark323 Posts
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Candide
456 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:48 OlorinTheWise wrote: There wasn't a Code A seed on the line in that tournament. :/ there was... ESV | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:50 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: He was also in a really pissy mood when Naniwa beat him twice in two days. Guy needs to get some thick skin and not be so sensitive. No matter who you are (if your playing for a game for pride) you are going to be offended by naniwa's action. Its like "i dont respect you enough to actually give you a chance to beat me" | ||
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Kerm
France467 Posts
What Naniwa did is by no means the worst thing in the world, but there were fans and viewers there to see a Nestea vs Naniwa match, and he basically forbid them to see it. That's obviously something that must be answered from GomTV point of view, as the broadcaster of the event. Nani should have had some fun as the match had no point, making a mothership rush or something instead of doing what he did. Could have gained him some korean fans. Anyway he'll gain his code S seed back, he has what it takes, so that's really no big deal. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:51 tetrismaan wrote: No he gained a lot more love because he doesn't give a flying fuck about playing pointless games. He showed us that he is only playing to win. Like a real champion. If it's a GLOBAL starcraft league, then why should they adapt to the Korean culture? They should've known that when they accept players from different cultures, they will also accept their ways of behaving (ofcourse to a certain extend). This is just such an ignorant move by GOMtv. Damn I guess playing one more game was too much and detrimental to his playing to win like a true champion. That one game would have ruined his career completely yep. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:49 LXR wrote: I don't understand how people view this as GOM making a joke out of themselves, if anything, it just shows their higher standards and a greater level of respect that i think are only necessary for e-sports... They forced a player to play a meaningless game for the first time. I could just as well say, that GOM was disrespectful towards Naniwa, because they forced him to play against Nestea, just so he can have his revenge. Might actually be true, I wouldn't believe that two days ago, but after what stunt they just pulled? Who knows... | ||
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