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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#941
so stupid
breadcat
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany45 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#942
Lol. He didnt do anyhting against the rules. This is sooo unprofessional. Even more than Nani.
Dubpace
Profile Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#943
Yeah to be honest I thought 1 year suspension was incoming.

Naniwa gave up on a game that people paid a lot of money to potentially watch. I was in particular interested in this matchup and stayed up til 7am waiting to watch him vs. Nestea.
Decessus
Profile Joined November 2004
Brazil105 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#944
On December 14 2011 19:45 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:44 snailz wrote:
GOMTV lost a lot of love today

And gained a lot of love today!


I doubt people who agreed with this decisions will buy more tickets because of it. I'm pretty sure many people that disagreed will stop buying them though.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
OnFire
Profile Joined July 2010
324 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#945
After reading alot of the comments, I can't believe everyone is on naniwas side...
No matter what the game is, how pointless it is, throwing a game should never ever be accepted.
The reason Koreans take this so seriously is obviously because of the match fixing scandal in Brood War, which seriously hurt the view of esports as a whole in Korea.

Throwing games must always be taken extremely seriously and the punishment for them needs to be the harshest.
If you ask me, naniwa got off lightly.
HYDRA - EFFORT - LETA
LamaMitHut
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany187 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#946
CALM DOWN!

naniwa got a lot of experience in getting kicked, so he is able to deal with it.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#947
On December 14 2011 19:46 Clefairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:42 Suc wrote:
If that translation of the rule is completely accurate, "offend" seems like a bit of a stretch compared to what went down and imo the rules shouldn't be open to that much interpretation.

I still don't understand why people are so mad about it.

I don't know... Look at NesTea's face after the game. He looks pretty damn offended and furious.

He was also in a really pissy mood when Naniwa beat him twice in two days. Guy needs to get some thick skin and not be so sensitive.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#948
This is so damn wrong lol. I'm going to send angry mails at GOM for a week I guess.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#949
On December 14 2011 19:49 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:37 Candide wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:35 Roxy wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:30 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:28 Roxy wrote:
wtf, this is bullcrap

he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have

MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?

this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit

if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.

everyone knows he threw the game. he said he threw the game...


i never said he didnt
it was pretty obvious

im just saying, he didnt violate any rules

how about they ban people for sending 4 marines with 12 scvs?

where do you draw the line?

should we just ban everyone who loses a game because htey probably werent trying?


what? 5 probes will beat 9 drones? what?


.... please stop


dude u are making me facepalm so hard right now
learn to read

naniwa did not break any rules

how can you penalize someone for not breaking the rules?

..this isnt north korea


he did break rules

but also by running your own tournament that you're in charge of, that's how.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
ThaSlayer
Profile Joined March 2011
707 Posts
December 14 2011 10:50 GMT
#950
On December 14 2011 19:49 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:37 Candide wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:35 Roxy wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:30 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:28 Roxy wrote:
wtf, this is bullcrap

he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have

MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?

this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit

if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.

everyone knows he threw the game. he said he threw the game...


i never said he didnt
it was pretty obvious

im just saying, he didnt violate any rules

how about they ban people for sending 4 marines with 12 scvs?

where do you draw the line?

should we just ban everyone who loses a game because htey probably werent trying?


what? 5 probes will beat 9 drones? what?


.... please stop


dude u are making me facepalm so hard right now
learn to read

naniwa did not break any rules

how can you penalize someone for not breaking the rules?

Naniwa did not respect his profession as a PROGAMER. Which is a huge deal considering GSL in korea and this wasnt his first foul up.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#951
On December 14 2011 19:49 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:37 Candide wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:35 Roxy wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:30 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:28 Roxy wrote:
wtf, this is bullcrap

he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have

MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?

this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit

if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.

everyone knows he threw the game. he said he threw the game...


i never said he didnt
it was pretty obvious

im just saying, he didnt violate any rules

how about they ban people for sending 4 marines with 12 scvs?

where do you draw the line?

should we just ban everyone who loses a game because htey probably werent trying?


what? 5 probes will beat 9 drones? what?


.... please stop


dude u are making me facepalm so hard right now
learn to read

naniwa did not break any rules

how can you penalize someone for not breaking the rules?

..this isnt north korea


uhh yeah? since you like rules so much, where's the rule that says they can't? it's their tournament. they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#952
He breaks a rule and he pays the price. Dont bite the hand that feeds you. Gom has given him so many code A seeds and hes failed to prove himself thusfar. I dunno if i completely agree with his code S seed getting revoked considering he sort of earned it but at the same time he broke the rules and his actions yesterday pissed me off.

Im more excited to see sen take his spot to be honest!!! Sen is awesome and hes actually friends with alot of the korean players instead of trying to be their enemy like naniwa is.

I dont understand why he has to antagonize himself so much. Everyone says people hate on him just because its him, its probably true but it wouldnt be the case if he didnt antagonize himself so much. Complexity really dodged a bullet with this one sellling him off before this whole debacle happened LOL.
Baz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom289 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#953
People saying "Poor Naniwa" just don't get it. Yes it was a harsh punishment but at the end of the day GOM had to be harsh and enforce this punishment to keep the high level of respect their tournament deserves. Many sports have "meaningless" games towards the end of the season, but professional teams do not throw their toys out of the basket and give the other team the win. If e-sports is to be respected in a professional manner, these types of punishments must exist. Don't say you want e-sports to be huge and then condemn this punishment.

On another note, as much as I love watching Naniwa play and have his awkward moments... at times I feel like he needs to grow up and hopefully this will be that turning point.
Jason54178
Profile Joined July 2011
United States84 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#954
On December 14 2011 19:49 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:48 CuSToM wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:45 leBIGcrab wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:41 CuSToM wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:39 leBIGcrab wrote:
To people supporting Gom TV : Stop being such awful pricks and sucking korean *****.

Banning Naniwa IS UNFAIR. Get over it omg.


Sounds like you're the one that needs to get over it.

Throwing a game IS UNPROFESSIONAL especially when you're a progamer.

All these people whining about not wanting to buy tickets cause Naniwa isn't going to be in Code S next season: did you feel like you got your money's worth after what he did last night?


You're an idiot. Read my other posts. I dislike Naniwa and what he did wasn't good.

But they shouldn't ban him from Code S. That's what i defend.

You want to be professional GOM? Write motherfucking clear rules.


Well you know your argument is garbage when you have to resort to name calling to defend it.

Maybe you should learn to read. He wasn't banned from GSL or Code S, his Code S seed that was GIVEN to him for GSL January was revoked.


No, he earned the Code S seed in a very explicit way, by finishing the highest out of any non-Code-S players at MLG. If that's not earning it then MMA and MC didn't earn theirs.


Not trying to intrude or anything, but that code S spot is a privilege. When did it become a right?
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#955
On December 14 2011 19:50 breadcat wrote:
Lol. He didnt do anyhting against the rules. This is sooo unprofessional. Even more than Nani.

yes he did
Stroke Me Lady Fame
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#956
On December 14 2011 19:40 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:36 ReaperX wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:29 MasterReY wrote:
i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case.
GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present.

If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture.


He got it through his MLG seed due to Leenock being in Code S already... Man you need to get your facts right. What do you mean gift? It was a fucking done deal by GOM and MLG.

What he meant was Naniwa didn't have to go through the harsh journey of qualifying from Code-B up to Code-S but instead place decently high in a foreign tournament and obtained a FREE seed straight to Code-S


It was a done deal by MLG and GOM. I guess MC got a free gift to Code S last season too. Oh well.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
tetrismaan
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark302 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#957
On December 14 2011 19:48 hYrasD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:44 snailz wrote:
GOMTV lost a lot of love today

Nani lost a lot more love yesterday


No he gained a lot more love because he doesn't give a flying fuck about playing pointless games. He showed us that he is only playing to win. Like a real champion. If it's a GLOBAL starcraft league, then why should they adapt to the Korean culture? They should've known that when they accept players from different cultures, they will also accept their ways of behaving (ofcourse to a certain extend). This is just such an ignorant move by GOMtv.
www.DanishStarcraft.com
Dashmaster47
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany25 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#958
Well deserved Naniwa.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#959
i feel bad for quantic gaming first and foremost, it is sad to see their effort to bring us better esport ruined by both childish behaviour and merciless punishment in combination...
xShoeicide
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand41 Posts
December 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#960
Im a Naniwa fan but its cut and dry like a few people have said already.

Naniwa is paid to play Starcraft. When you are paid to do a job if you do a piss poor job you risk punishment.

If you work in a bar your job is provide customers drinks. But that doesn't mean you can slam the drink down, spill half of it, and ignore the customer.

IE you have to do your job to a standard even if you don't like it, or think it should be done another way.
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