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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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With how Koreans have historically dealt with similar behavior in tournaments and over all, I would say that they are being lenient with Naniwa. He has to understand and all of TL needs to understand, Koreans are not like Foreigners, to us what he did is not that big of a deal, it does seem to Koreans to be quite the big deal. If this action is severe enough for them to say he is a disgrace to pro gaming then obviously it matters to them. Coca being ejected from the team house and losing his Code S for forfeiting a game to help a friend.
All of this points to Koreans taking the integrity of sport quite seriously, yes the game did not matter as far as the competition was concerned, but it mattered to Gom. Naniwa came to their house, after having been invited to Code A multiple times and having washed out each and every time. Gom TV has been more than reasonable, they do all this for Naniwa, giving him invitations to Code A (he did gain them through MLG yes) and then he repays them with that kind of behavior?
As a professional he should have played the games out, that's professionalism. A Professional conducts himself in a professional fashion. Even IdrA has more self control than Naniwa, he conducts himself on the whole professionally, the "outbursts" we see from IdrA aren't lapses in self control (most of the time, but long gone are the days of him demanding the opponent to apologize for playing Terran in tournaments.) They are moments of emotion that are just natural to competition.
Naniwa's situation was obviously horrible yes, he had just suffered soul crushing defeats to really obnoxious strategies and was playing a meaningless game against someone that in particular seems to get under his skin. But he knew the rules of competition and is intelligent enough and mature enough to understand the ramifications of his behavior.
tl;dr
Naniwa was aware of the rules, aware of how Koreans see such behavior and lacked discipline and self control.
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Talk about over reaction.
Nani's behavior wasn't of course good or justifiable.
But the ban is just ridicolous, this is really stupid.
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This thread needs a poll for
1) I love what gom did
2) I hate what gom did
3) I don't give a fuck
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I'm asking myself why Naniwa loose his code S when Idra get a code S.
They have the same behaviour !
Naniwa going rush drone on his last game or Idra insulting his opponents during his ladder games (i can link a video if you want to deny it)...If GOM wants respectfull players, why giving a code S slot to Idra? No reason for that. It's contradictory.
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What a joke then again I'm not surprised when it comes from GOM. Forcing players to play meaningless matches only to punish them when they don't play seriously.
Yea I for one would take Kespa over this crap that is GOM, Kespa would probably do the same but they would never make a player play a pointless match
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This is complete bullshit. You may hate the probe rush all you want but it doesn't state anything specific, that rule ist just ment to be bent. That's 80% Naniwa's reputation which amplified the reactions tenfold. He couldn't know he'd get banned for it, the game didn't matter which was 100% GOM's fault for having a crappy format, I see no reason whatsoever to ban the guy. Political decision, that's all there is to it.
Oh, and then they invite the #2 on the BM list. Congrats GOM.
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Technically he didn't break any rule, morally he definitely handled it in the wrong way. He should have been warned and not banned imo, very much a poorly thought out emotional knee-jerk decision by GOM.
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On December 14 2011 19:46 probablywrong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:41 bana wrote:On December 14 2011 19:37 Legace wrote:On December 14 2011 19:30 mgl0x9 wrote:
A Korean player WOULD NEVER do this and everyone knows it Choya, Byun and CoCa. They would never... Choya did it on LADDER Byung, CoCa in a ONLINE cup, which was for nothing, CoCa loses 1 game on purpose, but won the series anyway. To qualify for Code B, ladder ranking on the KR server is actually important. Byun and Coca did it in a tournament where there was a Code A seed on the line.
There wasn't a Code A seed on the line in that tournament. :/
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On December 14 2011 19:43 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:42 cosmincontra wrote:On December 14 2011 19:37 CuSToM wrote:
Haha why are people saying they want to refund their ticket etc? Naniwa wasn't going to go anywhere in Code S anyways so what is the big deal?
Don't disrespect Nestea and maybe this won't happen... because they dont want to support an organization that screws their favourite players he broke the rules and proved he doesn't deserve a spot. he's a child, not a professional he can grow up and earn another spot in the future
sure it might be true that he broke rules, but whether he deserves to be in the tournament is open to be interpreted by gomtv and fans aswell
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On December 14 2011 19:45 Xlancer wrote:
I think more people are mad at the fact that Naniwa could get banned without any rule against a player "taking a knee" after suffering a bad series of games. Is E-Sports really evolving into a show-no-mercy sport?
no, it's been a sport where you have to fucking play games against people you're contracted to play against for a long time I'd imagine. how in the hell can people be arguing about the validity of the ban, instead of the actual punishment method applied? I'd have settled for a stern talking to, but gom acted because their contracted player they're paying money to refused to play in a hilariously derisive fashion. arguing that a ban was UNNECESSARY is what logically needs to occur here, not that a ban was UNJUSTIFIED because some form of punishment definitely was. arguing otherwise makes you delusional, I'm sorry.
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On December 14 2011 19:48 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:45 leBIGcrab wrote:On December 14 2011 19:41 CuSToM wrote:On December 14 2011 19:39 leBIGcrab wrote:
To people supporting Gom TV : Stop being such awful pricks and sucking korean *****.
Banning Naniwa IS UNFAIR. Get over it omg. Sounds like you're the one that needs to get over it. Throwing a game IS UNPROFESSIONAL especially when you're a progamer. All these people whining about not wanting to buy tickets cause Naniwa isn't going to be in Code S next season: did you feel like you got your money's worth after what he did last night? You're an idiot. Read my other posts. I dislike Naniwa and what he did wasn't good. But they shouldn't ban him from Code S. That's what i defend. You want to be professional GOM? Write motherfucking clear rules. Well you know your argument is garbage when you have to resort to name calling to defend it. Maybe you should learn to read. He wasn't banned from GSL or Code S, his Code S seed that was GIVEN to him for GSL January was revoked.
It wasn't given, he EARNED it. At least educate yourself on the matter.
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On December 14 2011 19:48 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:47 Medrea wrote:On December 14 2011 19:46 TheDwf wrote:On December 14 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote:
So Gom is removing people's Code S for doing certain strats? Are you seriously calling probe rush a “strat”? Good one beats a 6 pool. Something to think about. he probably shouldn't have said he threw it then
Either way my point stand.
TL polled it as the best game of the night.
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On December 14 2011 19:48 Serpico wrote:This is my issue, you have certain wordings in a rulebook so people understand what they can and cannot do, you dont change them after the fact because you're upset. It just smacks of immaturity just like Naniwa's actions.
there are rules. not all rules can be hard cut and not all punishments can be applied immediately.
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this is disgusting...wtf is wrong with these people? I had huge respect for gsl but I will never buy a ticket anymore, this is just...unfair. And on top of that they give the spot to a player who hasnt won shit in ages and was picked only because of his popularity...this makes GSL look like a freaking kinder garden league
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On December 14 2011 19:46 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:44 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:41 GhostLink wrote:
Guys, GOM PAYED Naniwa to play all of his games, no matter how meaningless they are. What he did was plain disrespect to GOM, viewers, and his opponent, who practiced hard for that match. It's not like he was banned from GSL, he can still go through Code A qualifiers, so it seems perfectly reasonable. I do think they should have fined him the prize money for not taking the games seriously. But the Code S seed was won a month ago at MLG, it's a completely different issue. It's not even really an invite, he qualified for Code S by one of the explicit means possible. A fine is payed by his team though. That was takled about on state of the game. What would that teach him?
He said prize money from the tournament. -_- So the money would be not coming from Nani. I dont think that they would be allowed to legally, but I`m sure he would rather lose the one tournament prize winnings rather than losing code S
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On December 14 2011 19:48 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:47 Medrea wrote:On December 14 2011 19:46 TheDwf wrote:On December 14 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote:
So Gom is removing people's Code S for doing certain strats? Are you seriously calling probe rush a “strat”? Good one beats a 6 pool. Something to think about. he probably shouldn't have said he threw it then
but he did, he never intended to win. he didn't even use his keyboard. he didn't intend to beat a 6pool.
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On December 14 2011 19:45 Drowsy wrote:
Jesus, all he had to do was proxy 2gate instead of probe rush if he didn't care and wanted to get the game over with and none of this shitstorm would have happened.
Exactly, and by not bending over to the fake-it-by-all-means expectations he unmasked a lot of hypocrisy.
Obviously sc2 fans in korea prefer getting bullshitted over true competition. Wrestling, anyone?
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On December 14 2011 19:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:46 probablywrong wrote:On December 14 2011 19:41 bana wrote:On December 14 2011 19:37 Legace wrote:On December 14 2011 19:30 mgl0x9 wrote:
A Korean player WOULD NEVER do this and everyone knows it Choya, Byun and CoCa. They would never... Choya did it on LADDER Byung, CoCa in a ONLINE cup, which was for nothing, CoCa loses 1 game on purpose, but won the series anyway. To qualify for Code B, ladder ranking on the KR server is actually important. Byun and Coca did it in a tournament where there was a Code A seed on the line. there was no code a seed on the line
There was, the winner of the tournament was seeded into the finals. The winner of the finals received a Code A spot.
The match did not directly lead to a Code A spot, but imagine if all of Byun's opponents intentionally dropped games so that he'd get the Code A seed.
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I don't understand how people view this as GOM making a joke out of themselves, if anything, it just shows their higher standards and a greater level of respect that i think are only necessary for e-sports...
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Seriously this was never in the rules. Does it mean the offensive ceremonies, mule drops, dance moves banned as well?
YOU CANNOT MAKE UP RULES AS YOU GO.
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