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I am maybe one of the few masochistic players who swtiched from Zerg to Terran then lol.
Anyway, so far I can understand why playing Terran is kind of hard. Babysitting your units, building more production facilities, the micro, the little movility in general etc etc. One small mistake means having your entire army forcefield'd and murdered by a protoss army or having your marines melt because of some banes.
I like it though, wins feel a lot more rewarding.
A-moving infinity Roaches vs Protoss and Lings/Banes vs Terran is just boring, the only fun thing I think Zerg has is muta harass and baneling wars on ZvZ since those are the ones that make the multitasking from the players shine.
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im glad I hate terren pieces of shit
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On December 16 2011 05:12 SystemAddict wrote:
Nice try avoiding the point.
The point still stands, the sun does not rise everyday unless you can prove it.
I'm not even going to bother with this. Seriously.
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On December 16 2011 05:05 Mehukannu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:49 Serelitz wrote:On December 16 2011 04:47 Recognizable wrote:On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played They are also all koreans. Korea has the most terrans. Why? Boxer. People say this all the time but can you for the love of god please post some statistics that actually back this up? http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all Looking at this link his statement seems to be true. There seems to be more terran players in master, diamond, silver and bronze league. Platinum and gold is very close to the point that there would be more terrans than protoss or zergs.
all that graph shows is that there are less terrans. marginally.
when we consider that out of that smaller talent pool, they have won 3 times as many medals as protoss or zerg. obviously its only the good players who start playing terran, that explains why the results are so skewed in terrans favor, and not because they have an easier time.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League#Medals_won_per_Race
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On December 16 2011 05:04 Serelitz wrote:
PEOPLE. POST. SOME. GODDAMN. STATISTICS.
You can't make ridiculous claims like 'toss had lowest APM'. You can't give anecdotal advice like 'HEY TERRAN HAS THE LOWEST APM PLAYER LIKE GOODY' or 'HEY TERRAN HAS THE HIGHEST APM PLAYER AT MLG LIKE MERZ'.
Just please for the love of god try to actually discuss instead of fabricating bullshit and claiming it as facts, that goes for BOTH sides.
Calm down. If you want some statistics why don't you go find some? Myself and others have clearly pointed out multiple reasons why marine splitting is more mechanically demanding and challenging than blink micro. In response, you and gosuguy just keep saying "nuh uh" and avoid discussion by claiming we are biased, opinionated and reliant on anecdotes. If you look at the techniques used in splitting and blinking, it should be clear which one requires faster reactions and more clicks. A group of stalkers surrounded by lings can still blink out. A group of marines surrounded by lings is already dead. Just by the way blink works, 2 clicks initiates a game animation which the player does not control makes it less control oriented than controlling marines. If you stop to think about it, it should make sense. If not, open up Starcraft and try it out. You can see for yourself.
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On December 16 2011 05:13 Ko1tz wrote:
I am maybe one of the few masochistic players who swtiched from Zerg to Terran then lol.
Anyway, so far I can understand why playing Terran is kind of hard. Babysitting your units, building more production facilities, the micro, the little movility in general etc etc. One small mistake means having your entire army forcefield'd and murdered by a protoss army or having your marines melt because of some banes.
I like it though, wins feel a lot more rewarding.
A-moving infinity Roaches vs Protoss and Lings/Banes vs Terran is just boring, the only fun thing I think Zerg has is muta harass and baneling wars on ZvZ since those are the ones that make the multitasking from the players shine.
Agree, we saw how superior of a player Stephano was in this ZvZ game on taldarim against Dimaga (assembly summer). He just crushed him with superior multitasking it was sad to see, too bad he lost the series :/
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On December 16 2011 05:14 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:05 Mehukannu wrote:On December 16 2011 04:49 Serelitz wrote:On December 16 2011 04:47 Recognizable wrote:On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played They are also all koreans. Korea has the most terrans. Why? Boxer. People say this all the time but can you for the love of god please post some statistics that actually back this up? http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all Looking at this link his statement seems to be true. There seems to be more terran players in master, diamond, silver and bronze league. Platinum and gold is very close to the point that there would be more terrans than protoss or zergs. all that graph shows is that there are less terrans. marginally. when we consider that out of that smaller talent pool, they have won 3 times as many medals as protoss or zerg. obviously its only the good players who start playing terran, that explains why the results are so skewed in terrans favor, and not because they have an easier time. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League#Medals_won_per_Race
This too is too small a sample size. People thought Z was UP at a time Z won 2 medals too. PLEASE people 
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On December 16 2011 05:08 SystemAddict wrote:
Does the sun rise everyday?
If you say so, you better show me proof. I demand an article from the New York Times or a highly recognized scientific journal as proof.
Until then, please stop saying the sun rises everyday if you are not willing to show me a credible publication's statistics.
I like this post a lot. Very elegant.
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On December 16 2011 03:02 xUnSeEnx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:01 SCTallbus wrote:
I haven't seen a legitimate Terran argument.
First of all, BeastyQT, is a very mediocre Terran player, so it figures that he thinks his race is so hard.
Terran has been nerfed over from ridiculous imba, to almost balanced, bad players are switching because they can't just a-move anymore and have to try.
No, Terran doesn't take the APM that Zerg does, by a long shot, nor does it take any kind of macro even close. Please don't insult Zerg by making it seem as easy as T. LOL? Zerg is easy, I play random sometimes and never lose as zerg. You are prob some aweful kid who cannot beat a small tank push and are dick hurt because you lose every once in 20 games with your easy race. User was temp banned for this and many other posts in this thread.
I'm really sorry that I'm being slightly off-topic here and I hope I don't piss off any mods for doing so, but...
This kid right here has probably been the single most obnoxious poster I have ever seen in my (relatively short) history with TL. I am a Terran player who agrees with a lot of what has been said in this topic, yet this kid has been so blatantly biased, ignorant towards the truth/making up 'facts' to support his argument, and just plain fucking rude to anyone who even HINTS at not having the same opinion as him.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart mods for temp banning him, but seriously, this kid has shown he has absolutely no potential to ever be a respectable member of TL, can't you please step up his temp ban to a permanent ban? I mean, I was seriously getting pissed just reading his words.
Again I apologize for the slight derailment. But I couldn't contain myself about this.
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On December 16 2011 05:03 syllabic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:00 Plansix wrote:On December 16 2011 04:51 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 04:39 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 04:09 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:35 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:25 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote:On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote:
[quote] What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress!
What a load of shit.
hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. Man Terran has it easy, hotkey all production facilities and keep pumping out units during battle using hotkeys only, while still able to micro. Whereas Protoss has to pan away from the battle to the nearest pylon (stopping all micro) and Individually click their mouse for each unit they want. A little more action intensive then 3aaaa*tab*ss. Not to mention Protoss has to have 2-3 hotkeys for each type of caster to spit from emps effectively. (and Protoss has much more caster/ability micro in battle then Terran). Stutter stepping is a joke and anyone who complains about having to do it belongs in bronze league, and its not even Terran exclusive Protoss use lots of stutter step micro too, not to forget blink micro, which is several orders of magnitude more difficult and apm intensive. And Protoss players wish they could pump out units from the robo/stargate like terrans do from the starport/factory, only our stargate units are overpriced and ineffective, and our robo units are also overpriced and can only be made in certain quantities before they start to lose effectiveness so it make complete sense that "they will never produce like a Terran". It sad how worked up you get, because you are probably one of the Terrans whose ladder ranking was artificially inflated when Terran was OP, and now that they aren't you cant handle the fact that you are lower on the ladder then you were before. So you blame it on imbalance, or the other races just being easier, or some other such nonsense so that you don't have to face the fact that you are not as good of a player as you think you are. Anyone and everyone would gladly trade terran or zerg production for warpgates. There is no downside to it, you have to look away for 1 second in order to instantly gain reinforcements wherever you want. Terran has to do much more splitting than Protoss ever will. Stutter stepping is much more difficult than blink micro. You can't even consider blink micro. You click a button and your unit teleports. Blink is consistently the strongest ability in any strategy game and in no game would anyone consider using blink as skill intensive. It's funny that you mention robo/stargate in comparison to factory/starport because many top level protoss rely heavily on the robo/stargate tech whereas Terrans almost never use factory/starport tech aside from medivacs and rarely banshees (almost never now). Vikings are only useful for the fact that they are the sole unit that can combat stargate/robo tech. Ill ask again, are you actually in the team gosu? Or did you just happen to make a username with the word gosu in it? I mentioned stargate/robo vs factory/starport in reply to the post i was responding to, not saying that Terran should be going mech or anything stupid like that against toss, don't put words in my mouth. And blink micro is not blinking a blob of stalkers from one place to another it is attacking with a large group of stalkers and individually blinking them back when their shields are depleted, it requires an insane amount of apm and focus to do properly, about on the same level as splitting marines against speed banes. Edit: It was my username before I even knew about the existence of the team, used it since back in beta. What insane APM does blink micro require? It is quite literally 2 actions per stalker. You click B and then you left click some distance in the direction you want to blink. What insane apm does splitting marines against banelings require? Its quite literally 1 action per marine, you just left click on the ground in a spot away from your other marines (yes that's how stupid it sounds when you say it too) You have clearly never played terran or attempted to split marines. I encourage you to watch a Terran stream and witness how much APM goes into splitting/target firing banelings. And that is just the marines, in order to win a battle with terran you need to be doing a whole lot more on top of just splitting. But as you obviously have no experience with Terran and are just arguing for the sake of arguing or you are actually getting defensive because you feel like this thread is attacking you as a Protoss player, I don't feel like I can continue to discuss with you. Let me know when you come to the realization that any semi-competent terran needs to have 200+ apm in a fight unless they want to get face rolled. You clearly have never played protoss or attempted blink micro. I encourage you to... Damn it, I can't do this. Your argument is completely baseless and amounts to "Terran is harder because I say so. I am a terran player, you are not. I am the exepert here, you are not. My word is the truth." There is no discussion to be had by compairing the number of "actions" it takes to do a specific task for a specific race. It offers no proof that one race is harder than the other. I have played a ton of protoss and have decent blink micro, but I main race as terran. Masters league. Am I qualified to say that terran micro is FAR more demanding than protoss? Because it is. And your reaction time has to be incredibly good as terran. Zerglings and banelings move so fast on creep they will close the distance to your bio in a split second.
That is a really high ranking, but it does not make what you say anything more than an opinion. Other people disagree and think blink micro takes more effort. I guess you could call them stupid and talk down to them, but thats not really an argument either.
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Terran is the least played race in every League above silver:
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
Obviously the are good at the top korean pro level, but below that they are really hard to use, especially if you prefer macro games instead of timing attacks.
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On December 14 2011 10:23 Xova wrote:
I play Terran as masters, THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOTHING MORE! Remember that. I feel like Terran is the hardest race to play, ALTHOUGH I have never really played the other races myself, it is incredibly easy to get rolled over by protoss and completely out macro'd in the mid to later stages of the game by a zerg.
My two cents on the table, I think people get frusterated with Terran when they game goes past 20 minutes because Terran is less forgiving than say protoss. So they switch to a new race. Again that is my opinion.
i agree with everything your saying EXCEPT that terran is the least forgiving race to play.
I feel terrans can actually make the most mistakes and still do well in any given match.
Call down supply to instantly be get rid of supply block, repair mechanic for blds/mech units and medivac for the rest (bio).
They also have some of the best mobility along with the best turtling (planetary, repair and bld liftoff)
Oh yeah and the worst offender being the mule. Terran is the only race who can go down to zero harvesters and easily comeback in a game (assuming both players are on even footing otherwise)
I might be bias because I play toss but I feel that Toss is actually on of the less forgiving races to play.
Protoss power is best in the late game, not catching drops can be game ending, not scouting zerg tech potentially game ending.
Also Toss tech is the most rigid of the three races. If you don't have the correct units or infrastructure you just lose.
Also toss seem to be punished the most from bad positioning and/or relying the most on proper engagements....
That being said what I have played of terran I get a feel for the amount of micro that is needed and also the pain in the ass that tank control is....
Thoughts?
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On December 16 2011 05:19 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:23 Xova wrote:
I play Terran as masters, THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOTHING MORE! Remember that. I feel like Terran is the hardest race to play, ALTHOUGH I have never really played the other races myself, it is incredibly easy to get rolled over by protoss and completely out macro'd in the mid to later stages of the game by a zerg.
My two cents on the table, I think people get frusterated with Terran when they game goes past 20 minutes because Terran is less forgiving than say protoss. So they switch to a new race. Again that is my opinion. i agree with everything your saying EXCEPT that terran is the least forgiving race to play. I feel terrans can actually make the most mistakes and still do well in any given match. Call down supply to instantly be get rid of supply block, repair mechanic for blds/mech units and medivac for the rest (bio). They also have some of the best mobility along with the best turtling (planetary, repair and bld liftoff) Oh yeah and the worst offender being the mule. Terran is the only race who can go down to zero harvesters and easily comeback in a game (assuming both players are on even footing otherwise) I might be bias because I play toss but I feel that Toss is actually on of the less forgiving races to play. Protoss power is best in the late game, not catching drops can be game ending, not scouting zerg tech potentially game ending. Also Toss tech is the most rigid of the three races. If you don't have the correct units or infrastructure you just lose. Also toss seem to be punished the most from bad positioning and/or relying the most on proper engagements.... That being said what I have played of terran I get a feel for the amount of micro that is needed and also the pain in the ass that tank control is.... Thoughts?
I think mostly in the early game T is a lot more forgiving (between making safety salvagable bunkers, scans to scout/detect and a very general build for every MU). I also think the macro/army control, especially lategame, is a lot less forgiving (though I disagree that the army control is harder than P).
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On December 16 2011 02:58 xUnSeEnx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote:On December 16 2011 02:51 Termit wrote:
Yea Protoss is cosidered an easier and more beginner friendly race in BW but because of the mechanics in that game you still had to have skill to not suck ass when it came to army control and macro. Too bad sc2 makes it possible to be in the highest league on the ladder with like 85 EAPM when you play Protoss. The same goes for Zerg, because of larva injects and MBS any player, good mechanics or not can spend upp all his larva, remax and rally 40 lings into your main in a heartbeat, while it at least took some effort to spend your larva in BW, rallying every hatch to your opponens base like in sc2 can only the real gosus do in time in BW too but now everyone can do it.
I don't know how Blizzard would increase the mechanical part for Z and P but I don't think it will ever happen. In the end it will just be like in BW, every foreigner is gonna play P and Z and a few T while the real korean gosu players will be sick in the head with Terran because they are amazing players. What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. Ok so pressing w once and rapid pressing 1 or 2 keys is hard? LOL you are told when your units are done and able to produce again, GTFO
It isn't that difficult but if you don't want to miss a warpin (think larva inject here) you have to take your eyes off the battle (i.e. don't micro).
Queuing units will always be easier and allow one to focus on micro and/or army moments.......
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On December 14 2011 10:14 oniman999 wrote:
Part of it is the nerfs. Terran receives a nerf just about every patch. Many of these nerfs are necessary, but it is disheartening when every patch the other guys get better and your race gets worse. It's a psychological thing I think.
you should see it this way, the other races had to play against a op one from beginning ^^
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I'm a pretty bad platinum t player, but I think the main reason people are switching is the late-game for terran is not enjoyable. As the game progresses both P and Z get increasingly harder to deal with, because they are constantly adding new abilities and units. With P they add templar and archons to their collusi and charge and blink until they have a deathball and with Z they add their "kill" units ultra, infestors, and broodlords. T its seems just stay on the same units and abilities the entire game (mmm, mech,and marine/tank) then are eventually forced to add lots of ghosts. Other late-game units with their spells for T don't seem to to work very well; BCs, thors with strike cannons, and ravens with seeker missles (I mean how many games has anyone actually got these units in TvP or TvZ). I don't think it really has to do with hardness to play (I think z is the hardest) or OP (I'm pretty sure some earlier game timings for T are OP), more that late game as T means I'm just reacting to Z and P deathballs and struggling like hell to keep up my eco and micro ghosts.
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On December 16 2011 05:09 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:05 Mehukannu wrote:On December 16 2011 04:49 Serelitz wrote:On December 16 2011 04:47 Recognizable wrote:On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played They are also all koreans. Korea has the most terrans. Why? Boxer. People say this all the time but can you for the love of god please post some statistics that actually back this up? http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all Looking at this link his statement seems to be true. There seems to be more terran players in master, diamond, silver and bronze league. Platinum and gold is very close to the point that there would be more terrans than protoss or zergs. I mean 'korea has most terrans because of boxer'. Going across all leagues, P are roughly equally played as T. But let me guess, despite that evidence it's because 'more players WOULD play protoss if not for boxer' or some other unarguable bullshit. This whole discussion has been one opinionated sewer of people screaming at eachother. Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:08 SystemAddict wrote:
Does the sun rise everyday?
If you say so, you better show me proof. I demand an article from the New York Times or a highly recognized scientific journal as proof.
Until then, please stop saying the sun rises everyday if you are not willing to show me a credible publication's statistics. Hey man, everyone knows Protoss is the worst race! It's just like the sun rising everyday! If you don't know it, you're just dumb. Seriously don't exaggerate to get around the point, things as opinionated as this are NOT as clear as night and day (in the most literal sense of the word).
for someone whos bashing everyone for throwing out opinions without fact, you're doing pretty well at contradicting yourself.
maybe you should try playing all the races and give an unbiased opinion rather than trying to downtalk everyone who disagrees with you
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On December 16 2011 05:09 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:05 Mehukannu wrote:On December 16 2011 04:49 Serelitz wrote:On December 16 2011 04:47 Recognizable wrote:On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played They are also all koreans. Korea has the most terrans. Why? Boxer. People say this all the time but can you for the love of god please post some statistics that actually back this up? http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all Looking at this link his statement seems to be true. There seems to be more terran players in master, diamond, silver and bronze league. Platinum and gold is very close to the point that there would be more terrans than protoss or zergs. I mean 'korea has most terrans because of boxer'. Going across all leagues, P are roughly equally played as T. But let me guess, despite that evidence it's because 'more players WOULD play protoss if not for boxer' or some other unarguable bullshit. This whole discussion has been one opinionated sewer of people screaming at eachother. Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:08 SystemAddict wrote:
Does the sun rise everyday?
If you say so, you better show me proof. I demand an article from the New York Times or a highly recognized scientific journal as proof.
Until then, please stop saying the sun rises everyday if you are not willing to show me a credible publication's statistics. Hey man, everyone knows Protoss is the worst race! It's just like the sun rising everyday! If you don't know it, you're just dumb. Seriously don't exaggerate to get around the point, things as opinionated as this are NOT as clear as night and day (in the most literal sense of the word).
Well, that I don't know why most koreans took terran as their main race. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if boxer had something to do with it because of his success with the race in BW. So I guess it is save to assume that some huge boxer fans look at their idol and decide to follow at his footsteps. Then again there might be some other reasons but that one makes to most sense to me though.
I do agree though that the discussion has degraded into a ''hatefest''. People really shouldn't go on to bash each other even if someone bashes you there is no reason to you to call back at him and thus continuing the circle of hate.
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It's funny how half of the people posting their ridiculous QQ have alledgedly "played random for a couple of seasons" and so they would supposedly know which race is "the hardest". What a load of bullshit this thread is. I feel bad for contributing but whatever.
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On December 16 2011 05:22 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:19 Rorschach wrote:On December 14 2011 10:23 Xova wrote:
I play Terran as masters, THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOTHING MORE! Remember that. I feel like Terran is the hardest race to play, ALTHOUGH I have never really played the other races myself, it is incredibly easy to get rolled over by protoss and completely out macro'd in the mid to later stages of the game by a zerg.
My two cents on the table, I think people get frusterated with Terran when they game goes past 20 minutes because Terran is less forgiving than say protoss. So they switch to a new race. Again that is my opinion. i agree with everything your saying EXCEPT that terran is the least forgiving race to play. I feel terrans can actually make the most mistakes and still do well in any given match. Call down supply to instantly be get rid of supply block, repair mechanic for blds/mech units and medivac for the rest (bio). They also have some of the best mobility along with the best turtling (planetary, repair and bld liftoff) Oh yeah and the worst offender being the mule. Terran is the only race who can go down to zero harvesters and easily comeback in a game (assuming both players are on even footing otherwise) I might be bias because I play toss but I feel that Toss is actually on of the less forgiving races to play. Protoss power is best in the late game, not catching drops can be game ending, not scouting zerg tech potentially game ending. Also Toss tech is the most rigid of the three races. If you don't have the correct units or infrastructure you just lose. Also toss seem to be punished the most from bad positioning and/or relying the most on proper engagements.... That being said what I have played of terran I get a feel for the amount of micro that is needed and also the pain in the ass that tank control is.... Thoughts? I think mostly in the early game T is a lot more forgiving (between making safety salvagable bunkers, scans to scout/detect and a very general build for every MU). I also think the macro/army control, especially lategame, is a lot less forgiving (though I disagree that the army control is harder than P).
i agree that army control is harder as terran if you want to stay on an even footing.
I was saying positioning matters more for toss and you must admit that terran can easily catch or pull a toss out of position with drops and what not.
keep in mind that if toss doesn't want to miss warpins they have to drop micro momentarily so its a tradeoff.
Queuing units and calling down mules/supply in the late game allows for terran to focus more on things they can be doing with their army.
I simply love watching a godlike terran (MPV?) with what I think is the best multitasking of any player.
I really appreciate such talent..... Can't wait to see a top toss with those kind of skills, will be scary!
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