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I switched to protoss about 10 months ago. The race had alot more features that suited me and my playstyle. I've been keeping my Terran skill high though. I'm master as both T and P on the EU server.
I like the T mechanics... The only obvious problem is how OC's don't punish macro mistakes...
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I switched from terran to zerg somewhere during season 2. I just hated TvT. Although the funny thing is..now I hate ZvZ also, lol.
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On December 16 2011 04:23 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:02 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:59 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 03:57 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:42 iokke wrote:On December 16 2011 03:35 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:25 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote:On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote:On December 16 2011 02:51 Termit wrote:
Yea Protoss is cosidered an easier and more beginner friendly race in BW but because of the mechanics in that game you still had to have skill to not suck ass when it came to army control and macro. Too bad sc2 makes it possible to be in the highest league on the ladder with like 85 EAPM when you play Protoss. The same goes for Zerg, because of larva injects and MBS any player, good mechanics or not can spend upp all his larva, remax and rally 40 lings into your main in a heartbeat, while it at least took some effort to spend your larva in BW, rallying every hatch to your opponens base like in sc2 can only the real gosus do in time in BW too but now everyone can do it.
I don't know how Blizzard would increase the mechanical part for Z and P but I don't think it will ever happen. In the end it will just be like in BW, every foreigner is gonna play P and Z and a few T while the real korean gosu players will be sick in the head with Terran because they are amazing players. What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. Man Terran has it easy, hotkey all production facilities and keep pumping out units during battle using hotkeys only, while still able to micro. Whereas Protoss has to pan away from the battle to the nearest pylon (stopping all micro) and Individually click their mouse for each unit they want. A little more action intensive then 3aaaa*tab*ss. Not to mention Protoss has to have 2-3 hotkeys for each type of caster to spit from emps effectively. (and Protoss has much more caster/ability micro in battle then Terran). Stutter stepping is a joke and anyone who complains about having to do it belongs in bronze league, and its not even Terran exclusive Protoss use lots of stutter step micro too, not to forget blink micro, which is several orders of magnitude more difficult and apm intensive. And Protoss players wish they could pump out units from the robo/stargate like terrans do from the starport/factory, only our stargate units are overpriced and ineffective, and our robo units are also overpriced and can only be made in certain quantities before they start to lose effectiveness so it make complete sense that "they will never produce like a Terran". It sad how worked up you get, because you are probably one of the Terrans whose ladder ranking was artificially inflated when Terran was OP, and now that they aren't you cant handle the fact that you are lower on the ladder then you were before. So you blame it on imbalance, or the other races just being easier, or some other such nonsense so that you don't have to face the fact that you are not as good of a player as you think you are. Anyone and everyone would gladly trade terran or zerg production for warpgates. There is no downside to it, you have to look away for 1 second in order to instantly gain reinforcements wherever you want. Terran has to do much more splitting than Protoss ever will. Stutter stepping is much more difficult than blink micro. You can't even consider blink micro. You click a button and your unit teleports. Blink is consistently the strongest ability in any strategy game and in no game would anyone consider using blink as skill intensive. It's funny that you mention robo/stargate in comparison to factory/starport because many top level protoss rely heavily on the robo/stargate tech whereas Terrans almost never use factory/starport tech aside from medivacs and rarely banshees (almost never now). Vikings are only useful for the fact that they are the sole unit that can combat stargate/robo tech. Ill ask again, are you actually in the team gosu? Or did you just happen to make a username with the word gosu in it? How is blink that much easier than stutter step? you can make the same argument, click back, S, clickback, S etc. Now I feel dumb for getting sucked in into this argument. Only legit posts were regarding having a good micro being advantageous at higher levels but not lower levels => nerfs were appropriate for higher levels but may have hurt those poorer micro too much. I think it's cause some of these posts are so loaded its infuriating. Though I'm sure I'm biased too, at least im trying to remember that every race has its strengths and weaknesses. Don't think T is op overall, though who is OP changes by player levels imo. But all those posts about P ezpz no skill race that can auto win with their no skill warp mechanics are really frustrating There are a number of reasons why stutter step is harder. Your units actually have to move, and you have to constantly be managing them. With blink your units teleport instantly, being able to abuse a variety of terrain features or unit walls, etc. You simply hit b and click some arbitrary distance in the general direction you want your unit to go. Your stalker will automatically blink the maximum distance. Play dota, if played correctly, a hero with blink is not supposed to die. Blink is essentially a get out of jail free card. It is the single most powerful and useful spell you can possess in a game that is so centered around positioning. I played random for 3 seasons. I had a lot more wins as protoss than T/Z despite protoss being my worst race. The fact of the matter is, most protoss don't even utilize half the options available to them. And it doesn't matter because they don't need to worry about inflicting economic damage or pressure in order to keep the lead. Now, the few Protoss that actually go the extra mile and attempt to use pheonix and prisms are literally unstoppable. how did you decide that protoss was your worst race if you won more with it? Because it is a not-so-sublte balance whine about how protoss is OP and EZ mode, just ignore it. oh, i realised that, but i wanted him to say it.
It's not a balance whine at all, it is the truth. For me at least, protoss required almost no practice to maintain at masters level. Maybe I am just the next Bisu though, who knows.
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On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.-
I'm not saying TvP is impossible at the highest level. At my level (900 masters) It seems to be extremely difficult, atleast for me.
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I play mostly diamond and some low masters players and I would say I get somewhere between 10-20% terran opponents. I think most people have switched because Terran is just the worst race currently at that level. The control required to win 200 fights is a lot higher for Terrans than Toss and Zerg.
People get frustrated when they constantly get crushed due to their poor control when the same thing would not happen if they were playing either of the other races. I am not saying Terran is imbalanced at a pro level but when lower level players such as myself have 200 v 200 A-move battles Terran is the weakest race.
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definitely tvp is a reason why i get ladder fear when i queue nowadays. a few tvp losses in a row and i just don't want to play anymore. tvt is still fun to me, and tvz dynamics are fun from early game pressure, to mid game timings, to late game map control games. They all keep me interested as a player and are fun and one of the few times you can exchange armies and not immediately die afterwards sometimes as long as you're cost efficient.
in tvp it always just feels like you have to crush with overwhelming victory otherwise they reinforce with x warpgates and chrono boost, and you lose the ensuing battle outside your own base with no defensive advantage. Get to late game, and while terran is pigeon holed into staying on MMM + ghost, protoss death ball with colo + storm + zealot charge + blink stalkers + archons is just all about landing perfect EMP's or immediately losing.
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On December 16 2011 04:09 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:35 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:25 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote:On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote:On December 16 2011 02:51 Termit wrote:
Yea Protoss is cosidered an easier and more beginner friendly race in BW but because of the mechanics in that game you still had to have skill to not suck ass when it came to army control and macro. Too bad sc2 makes it possible to be in the highest league on the ladder with like 85 EAPM when you play Protoss. The same goes for Zerg, because of larva injects and MBS any player, good mechanics or not can spend upp all his larva, remax and rally 40 lings into your main in a heartbeat, while it at least took some effort to spend your larva in BW, rallying every hatch to your opponens base like in sc2 can only the real gosus do in time in BW too but now everyone can do it.
I don't know how Blizzard would increase the mechanical part for Z and P but I don't think it will ever happen. In the end it will just be like in BW, every foreigner is gonna play P and Z and a few T while the real korean gosu players will be sick in the head with Terran because they are amazing players. What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. Man Terran has it easy, hotkey all production facilities and keep pumping out units during battle using hotkeys only, while still able to micro. Whereas Protoss has to pan away from the battle to the nearest pylon (stopping all micro) and Individually click their mouse for each unit they want. A little more action intensive then 3aaaa*tab*ss. Not to mention Protoss has to have 2-3 hotkeys for each type of caster to spit from emps effectively. (and Protoss has much more caster/ability micro in battle then Terran). Stutter stepping is a joke and anyone who complains about having to do it belongs in bronze league, and its not even Terran exclusive Protoss use lots of stutter step micro too, not to forget blink micro, which is several orders of magnitude more difficult and apm intensive. And Protoss players wish they could pump out units from the robo/stargate like terrans do from the starport/factory, only our stargate units are overpriced and ineffective, and our robo units are also overpriced and can only be made in certain quantities before they start to lose effectiveness so it make complete sense that "they will never produce like a Terran". It sad how worked up you get, because you are probably one of the Terrans whose ladder ranking was artificially inflated when Terran was OP, and now that they aren't you cant handle the fact that you are lower on the ladder then you were before. So you blame it on imbalance, or the other races just being easier, or some other such nonsense so that you don't have to face the fact that you are not as good of a player as you think you are. Anyone and everyone would gladly trade terran or zerg production for warpgates. There is no downside to it, you have to look away for 1 second in order to instantly gain reinforcements wherever you want. Terran has to do much more splitting than Protoss ever will. Stutter stepping is much more difficult than blink micro. You can't even consider blink micro. You click a button and your unit teleports. Blink is consistently the strongest ability in any strategy game and in no game would anyone consider using blink as skill intensive. It's funny that you mention robo/stargate in comparison to factory/starport because many top level protoss rely heavily on the robo/stargate tech whereas Terrans almost never use factory/starport tech aside from medivacs and rarely banshees (almost never now). Vikings are only useful for the fact that they are the sole unit that can combat stargate/robo tech. Ill ask again, are you actually in the team gosu? Or did you just happen to make a username with the word gosu in it? I mentioned stargate/robo vs factory/starport in reply to the post i was responding to, not saying that Terran should be going mech or anything stupid like that against toss, don't put words in my mouth. And blink micro is not blinking a blob of stalkers from one place to another it is attacking with a large group of stalkers and individually blinking them back when their shields are depleted, it requires an insane amount of apm and focus to do properly, about on the same level as splitting marines against speed banes. Edit: It was my username before I even knew about the existence of the team, used it since back in beta. What insane APM does blink micro require? It is quite literally 2 actions per stalker. You click B and then you left click some distance in the direction you want to blink.
What insane apm does splitting marines against banelings require? Its quite literally 1 action per marine, you just left click on the ground in a spot away from your other marines (yes that's how stupid it sounds when you say it too)
But in all seriousness it is 3 actions per stalker, select, hit blink, chose location. Plus the amount of human response time it takes to see the low shield bars and make the decision to blink (lets just ignore this for the sake of argument though). Lets say that in a battle you stalkers are taking damage at a rate where you will need to blink back 3 stalkers a (game) second to have perfect blink micro, that is 9 actions a (game) second. or 540 APM. If that isn't "insane" to you I don't know what is, the only person I have ever seen pull of blink micro even close to perfect is HuK.
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On December 16 2011 04:34 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- I'm not saying TvP is impossible at the highest level. At my level (900 masters) It seems to be extremely difficult, atleast for me.
What do your protoss opponents say when they beat you? How about the protoss you do beat? Do they think that the match was difficult? I am not being a jerk here, I just want to know. My best match up is zerg right now and terran is my worst, but it has not always been that way. Also, my win record might not reflect that, since I do lose to zergs a lot. However, it is the match up where I feel I have the most control and it is easy to gather in the information I need.
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On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.-
IrOn would have been in the finals if he didn't throw away the last two games vs. DongRaeGu with bad builds and bad decision making. :/
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On December 16 2011 04:33 SumGai wrote:
I switched from terran to zerg somewhere during season 2. I just hated TvT. Although the funny thing is..now I hate ZvZ also, lol.
I tried playing zerg for a while too but after getting an obscene amount of ZvZs I decided TvP is not so frustrating after all and switched back to terran.
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On December 16 2011 04:34 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- I'm not saying TvP is impossible at the highest level. At my level (900 masters) It seems to be extremely difficult, atleast for me.
Lategame TvP is impossible though, on all levels.
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On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.-
Lets compare the talent that is there?
Terrans have -
MVP the best player in the world
and Polt and MMA both won GSL
Toss have-
MC- won two gsl, made it through
Hero- no gsl results of note
Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A
Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played
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On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played
They are also all koreans. Korea has the most terrans. Why? Boxer.
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On December 16 2011 04:47 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played They are also all koreans. Korea has the most terrans. Why? Boxer.
People say this all the time but can you for the love of god please post some statistics that actually back this up?
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On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played
I wonder where MC would be had he decided to not play protoss.
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On December 16 2011 04:39 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:09 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:35 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:25 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote:On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote:On December 16 2011 02:51 Termit wrote:
Yea Protoss is cosidered an easier and more beginner friendly race in BW but because of the mechanics in that game you still had to have skill to not suck ass when it came to army control and macro. Too bad sc2 makes it possible to be in the highest league on the ladder with like 85 EAPM when you play Protoss. The same goes for Zerg, because of larva injects and MBS any player, good mechanics or not can spend upp all his larva, remax and rally 40 lings into your main in a heartbeat, while it at least took some effort to spend your larva in BW, rallying every hatch to your opponens base like in sc2 can only the real gosus do in time in BW too but now everyone can do it.
I don't know how Blizzard would increase the mechanical part for Z and P but I don't think it will ever happen. In the end it will just be like in BW, every foreigner is gonna play P and Z and a few T while the real korean gosu players will be sick in the head with Terran because they are amazing players. What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. Man Terran has it easy, hotkey all production facilities and keep pumping out units during battle using hotkeys only, while still able to micro. Whereas Protoss has to pan away from the battle to the nearest pylon (stopping all micro) and Individually click their mouse for each unit they want. A little more action intensive then 3aaaa*tab*ss. Not to mention Protoss has to have 2-3 hotkeys for each type of caster to spit from emps effectively. (and Protoss has much more caster/ability micro in battle then Terran). Stutter stepping is a joke and anyone who complains about having to do it belongs in bronze league, and its not even Terran exclusive Protoss use lots of stutter step micro too, not to forget blink micro, which is several orders of magnitude more difficult and apm intensive. And Protoss players wish they could pump out units from the robo/stargate like terrans do from the starport/factory, only our stargate units are overpriced and ineffective, and our robo units are also overpriced and can only be made in certain quantities before they start to lose effectiveness so it make complete sense that "they will never produce like a Terran". It sad how worked up you get, because you are probably one of the Terrans whose ladder ranking was artificially inflated when Terran was OP, and now that they aren't you cant handle the fact that you are lower on the ladder then you were before. So you blame it on imbalance, or the other races just being easier, or some other such nonsense so that you don't have to face the fact that you are not as good of a player as you think you are. Anyone and everyone would gladly trade terran or zerg production for warpgates. There is no downside to it, you have to look away for 1 second in order to instantly gain reinforcements wherever you want. Terran has to do much more splitting than Protoss ever will. Stutter stepping is much more difficult than blink micro. You can't even consider blink micro. You click a button and your unit teleports. Blink is consistently the strongest ability in any strategy game and in no game would anyone consider using blink as skill intensive. It's funny that you mention robo/stargate in comparison to factory/starport because many top level protoss rely heavily on the robo/stargate tech whereas Terrans almost never use factory/starport tech aside from medivacs and rarely banshees (almost never now). Vikings are only useful for the fact that they are the sole unit that can combat stargate/robo tech. Ill ask again, are you actually in the team gosu? Or did you just happen to make a username with the word gosu in it? I mentioned stargate/robo vs factory/starport in reply to the post i was responding to, not saying that Terran should be going mech or anything stupid like that against toss, don't put words in my mouth. And blink micro is not blinking a blob of stalkers from one place to another it is attacking with a large group of stalkers and individually blinking them back when their shields are depleted, it requires an insane amount of apm and focus to do properly, about on the same level as splitting marines against speed banes. Edit: It was my username before I even knew about the existence of the team, used it since back in beta. What insane APM does blink micro require? It is quite literally 2 actions per stalker. You click B and then you left click some distance in the direction you want to blink. What insane apm does splitting marines against banelings require? Its quite literally 1 action per marine, you just left click on the ground in a spot away from your other marines (yes that's how stupid it sounds when you say it too)
You have clearly never played terran or attempted to split marines. I encourage you to watch a Terran stream and witness how much APM goes into splitting/target firing banelings. And that is just the marines, in order to win a battle with terran you need to be doing a whole lot more on top of just splitting. But as you obviously have no experience with Terran and are just arguing for the sake of arguing or you are actually getting defensive because you feel like this thread is attacking you as a Protoss player, I don't feel like I can continue to discuss with you. Let me know when you come to the realization that any semi-competent terran needs to have 200+ apm in a fight unless they want to get face rolled.
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On December 16 2011 04:51 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:39 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 04:09 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:35 SupLilSon wrote:On December 16 2011 03:25 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote:On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote:On December 16 2011 02:51 Termit wrote:
Yea Protoss is cosidered an easier and more beginner friendly race in BW but because of the mechanics in that game you still had to have skill to not suck ass when it came to army control and macro. Too bad sc2 makes it possible to be in the highest league on the ladder with like 85 EAPM when you play Protoss. The same goes for Zerg, because of larva injects and MBS any player, good mechanics or not can spend upp all his larva, remax and rally 40 lings into your main in a heartbeat, while it at least took some effort to spend your larva in BW, rallying every hatch to your opponens base like in sc2 can only the real gosus do in time in BW too but now everyone can do it.
I don't know how Blizzard would increase the mechanical part for Z and P but I don't think it will ever happen. In the end it will just be like in BW, every foreigner is gonna play P and Z and a few T while the real korean gosu players will be sick in the head with Terran because they are amazing players. What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. Man Terran has it easy, hotkey all production facilities and keep pumping out units during battle using hotkeys only, while still able to micro. Whereas Protoss has to pan away from the battle to the nearest pylon (stopping all micro) and Individually click their mouse for each unit they want. A little more action intensive then 3aaaa*tab*ss. Not to mention Protoss has to have 2-3 hotkeys for each type of caster to spit from emps effectively. (and Protoss has much more caster/ability micro in battle then Terran). Stutter stepping is a joke and anyone who complains about having to do it belongs in bronze league, and its not even Terran exclusive Protoss use lots of stutter step micro too, not to forget blink micro, which is several orders of magnitude more difficult and apm intensive. And Protoss players wish they could pump out units from the robo/stargate like terrans do from the starport/factory, only our stargate units are overpriced and ineffective, and our robo units are also overpriced and can only be made in certain quantities before they start to lose effectiveness so it make complete sense that "they will never produce like a Terran". It sad how worked up you get, because you are probably one of the Terrans whose ladder ranking was artificially inflated when Terran was OP, and now that they aren't you cant handle the fact that you are lower on the ladder then you were before. So you blame it on imbalance, or the other races just being easier, or some other such nonsense so that you don't have to face the fact that you are not as good of a player as you think you are. Anyone and everyone would gladly trade terran or zerg production for warpgates. There is no downside to it, you have to look away for 1 second in order to instantly gain reinforcements wherever you want. Terran has to do much more splitting than Protoss ever will. Stutter stepping is much more difficult than blink micro. You can't even consider blink micro. You click a button and your unit teleports. Blink is consistently the strongest ability in any strategy game and in no game would anyone consider using blink as skill intensive. It's funny that you mention robo/stargate in comparison to factory/starport because many top level protoss rely heavily on the robo/stargate tech whereas Terrans almost never use factory/starport tech aside from medivacs and rarely banshees (almost never now). Vikings are only useful for the fact that they are the sole unit that can combat stargate/robo tech. Ill ask again, are you actually in the team gosu? Or did you just happen to make a username with the word gosu in it? I mentioned stargate/robo vs factory/starport in reply to the post i was responding to, not saying that Terran should be going mech or anything stupid like that against toss, don't put words in my mouth. And blink micro is not blinking a blob of stalkers from one place to another it is attacking with a large group of stalkers and individually blinking them back when their shields are depleted, it requires an insane amount of apm and focus to do properly, about on the same level as splitting marines against speed banes. Edit: It was my username before I even knew about the existence of the team, used it since back in beta. What insane APM does blink micro require? It is quite literally 2 actions per stalker. You click B and then you left click some distance in the direction you want to blink. What insane apm does splitting marines against banelings require? Its quite literally 1 action per marine, you just left click on the ground in a spot away from your other marines (yes that's how stupid it sounds when you say it too) You have clearly never played terran or attempted to split marines. I encourage you to watch a Terran stream and witness how much APM goes into splitting/target firing banelings. And that is just the marines, in order to win a battle with terran you need to be doing a whole lot more on top of just splitting. But as you obviously have no experience with Terran and are just arguing for the sake of arguing or you are actually getting defensive because you feel like this thread is attacking you as a Protoss player, I don't feel like I can continue to discuss with you. Let me know when you come to the realization that any semi-competent terran needs to have 200+ apm in a fight.
Read my edit, then reply. 200apm is a joke compared to what it takes to properly blink micro. And the only one getting defensive, and arguing for the sake of arguing here is you. You obviously have 0 experience or even understanding of how Protoss functions and are just carrying on so you and all the other Terrans in this circlejerk thread can validate each others ill conceived notions about being secretly underpowered, because no one wants to admit that they arent as good at the game as they thought they were at a time when terran was overpowered.
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On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played
Since when does huk play zerg ?
And alicia ? Puzzle ?...
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On December 16 2011 04:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 halfies wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Toppp wrote:
TvP seems pretty fucking impossible to win right now. totally impossible. thats why theres no protoss in the final of the blizzard cup. they were all too hard to beat and had to go home -.- Lets compare the talent that is there? Terrans have - MVP the best player in the world and Polt and MMA both won GSL Toss have- MC- won two gsl, made it through Hero- no gsl results of note Naniwa- foreigner, failed in code A Terrans were straight up better players who would win no matter what race they played
yeah, OR, terran is easy and thats why they have such good results.
personally, i dont think terran is particularly harder or easier than anything else, its just different.
im just pointing out that theres is no evidence for terran being harder at all, and this entire thread is terrans QQing about how they have the hardest time, which is kinda pathetic.
even if it was harder, if you want wins play the 'easier' race, or play terran cause you like to.
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Ive played Terran from beta.... but if I ever do switch it will be to Zerg for the sole reason that the TvP matchup is super broken and boring...
Protoss gets a deathball and you have to outplay/outposition/outdrop that death ball like crazy in order to win
Protoss must stay in their death ball cause partitioning protoss units => they get weaker exponentially i.e. collosus with no stalkers get sniped by air, zealots with no range get kited to shit, range units with no zealots get rolled by anything really, templar with no zealots get raped by splitting marauders or snipe and warp prisms get rolled by vikings that terran has anyways...
So really protoss has no choice other than to stay in their dumb deathball that when you 1-a is pretty much invisible making the matchup super one dimensional and boring
especially compared to TvZ and TvT where there is constant battle for position, partitioning of armies, battles/harass/drops/run-by's/mind games utilized from both sides. (I really like those match ups so I stay with terran lol)
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