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On December 14 2011 01:04 ZenithM wrote:
Also, look at the way MC played against DRG yesterday on Crossfire. The match didn't matter for him (it mattered for Stephano though, I know), but he still microed his shit down to the very end, on a map that is very disadvantageous for Protoss after a certain point in time.
I mean, what's the big deal, Naniwa just had to play his fucking game, it was like 20 minutes of his life at most, he just had to take it like a ladder game or something, but he didn't even do that.
My theory is that he had nothing to win and everything to lose by playing Nestea. If Nestea had beat him he would have been humiliated thoroughly that day, and since he had lost all his games he wasn't feeling very confident. It wasn't a situation one wants to be in but then again he wouldn't really be in that situation if he were nicer to people. In other words, big ego and then lack of balls.
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@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
Just saying here. What if he wouldn't have lost the first 3 games, then it wouldn't have been that way...
And that practice didn't do that much against all that cheese...
Just saying.
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Posted this already in the poll thread, but i figured i share my two cents in the actual thread as well:
People didn´t make such a big deal about it when Idra forfitted his last game at one of the big tournament (can´t remember which one it was) cause it wouldn´t have changed anything.
I voted disappointet as well, but it seems that people are picking way more on Naniwa than other players.
Don´t let them play such meaningless matches after they´re basicly already out of the tournament. As a sportsman i can really empathize Naniwa´s feelings.
I would have loved to see something freaky out of him for this game, but i can understand that he was too frustrated for that.
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After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday. It's not like Hero didn't play like shit though, 2 cannons at the Xel Naga tower, really?
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On December 14 2011 01:08 natebreen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:06 DYEAlabaster wrote:On December 14 2011 01:01 JinDesu wrote:
I really like how MC put it - White-Ra would just play to entertain. Hero would go down fighting and be exceptionally emotional afterwards. In neither scenario would fans and progamers be disappointed. I think Nani just didn't realize how mad people wold be after it. I think that he was a bit short-sighted and emotional and just threw his hands up in the air. After reading his interview (which was quite level headed), he seemed rather regretting of his decision, and said that if he had known the back-lash people (esp koreans) had, then he would have just 4gated. The thing is, this happens in tournaments all the time. Some matches in MLG are settled with a coin-flip. Idra flat out forfeited his 7/8 place match to HayprO at Providence, Stephano did 2 early pool builds to Cloud at Dreamhack when he was 0-2. It's just that this time, it happens to be Naniwa, and it happens to be the Koreans. I guess the moral of the story here is "don't piss off the Koreans", cause this sort of thing seems to be completely understandable in other circumstances To be fair, Idra was watching a match and didn't know he was being called to play his consolation match at Providence. The main stage, especially where the players were sitting up front, would be impossible to find and get him for a match, and if you weren't there they just called your name out, so it wasn't an intentional thing, just circumstance.
IdrA NEVER plays his consolidation match, but IdrA is smart, saw people were questioning why he didn't show up, and made up an excuse. Its all bullshit though.
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On December 14 2011 01:04 rblstr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:01 CanucksJC wrote:On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Koreans mad =/ Koreans overreacting as usual. Just want to point out that MKP said he wanted the place badly? Should have won more than Nani to make it there. Stupid reason to be pissed off.
overreacting? try REACTING. there's nothing over the top about it.
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On December 14 2011 01:12 rblstr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:08 natebreen wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 DYEAlabaster wrote:On December 14 2011 01:01 JinDesu wrote:
I really like how MC put it - White-Ra would just play to entertain. Hero would go down fighting and be exceptionally emotional afterwards. In neither scenario would fans and progamers be disappointed. I think Nani just didn't realize how mad people wold be after it. I think that he was a bit short-sighted and emotional and just threw his hands up in the air. After reading his interview (which was quite level headed), he seemed rather regretting of his decision, and said that if he had known the back-lash people (esp koreans) had, then he would have just 4gated. The thing is, this happens in tournaments all the time. Some matches in MLG are settled with a coin-flip. Idra flat out forfeited his 7/8 place match to HayprO at Providence, Stephano did 2 early pool builds to Cloud at Dreamhack when he was 0-2. It's just that this time, it happens to be Naniwa, and it happens to be the Koreans. I guess the moral of the story here is "don't piss off the Koreans", cause this sort of thing seems to be completely understandable in other circumstances To be fair, Idra was watching a match and didn't know he was being called to play his consolation match at Providence. The main stage, especially where the players were sitting up front, would be impossible to find and get him for a match, and if you weren't there they just called your name out, so it wasn't an intentional thing, just circumstance. IdrA NEVER plays his consolidation match, but IdrA is smart, saw people were questioning why he didn't show up, and made up an excuse. Its all bullshit though.
Want to prove that wanton accusation of yours? If not, retract it.
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Funny thing is, if he would have proxy 2 Gate or 4 Gated, nobody would have said anything...which is kinda ridiculous.
Naniwa is in Korea long enough to know how serious they take professional gaming and he should have taken that into account and that is the one thing I really blame him for.
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On December 14 2011 01:12 rblstr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:08 natebreen wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 DYEAlabaster wrote:On December 14 2011 01:01 JinDesu wrote:
I really like how MC put it - White-Ra would just play to entertain. Hero would go down fighting and be exceptionally emotional afterwards. In neither scenario would fans and progamers be disappointed. I think Nani just didn't realize how mad people wold be after it. I think that he was a bit short-sighted and emotional and just threw his hands up in the air. After reading his interview (which was quite level headed), he seemed rather regretting of his decision, and said that if he had known the back-lash people (esp koreans) had, then he would have just 4gated. The thing is, this happens in tournaments all the time. Some matches in MLG are settled with a coin-flip. Idra flat out forfeited his 7/8 place match to HayprO at Providence, Stephano did 2 early pool builds to Cloud at Dreamhack when he was 0-2. It's just that this time, it happens to be Naniwa, and it happens to be the Koreans. I guess the moral of the story here is "don't piss off the Koreans", cause this sort of thing seems to be completely understandable in other circumstances To be fair, Idra was watching a match and didn't know he was being called to play his consolation match at Providence. The main stage, especially where the players were sitting up front, would be impossible to find and get him for a match, and if you weren't there they just called your name out, so it wasn't an intentional thing, just circumstance. IdrA NEVER plays his consolidation match, but IdrA is smart, saw people were questioning why he didn't show up, and made up an excuse. Its all bullshit though.
Yea, no.
I was there, smart guy.
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On December 14 2011 00:56 natebreen wrote:
PS For all their bravado and claims of politeness, the koreans are by far the most biased group in all of e-sports.
If this was one of their players I guarantee the tweets would speak of how sorry they were that "so and so lost his heart."
and "I hope he can feel better and practice and return to form. I know he can. Fighting!"
etc.
lol? you sure? what if he was in slayers? he would immidiately get punished. same for other teams probably.
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On December 14 2011 01:01 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Koreans mad =/
I'm sure that in the same situation they would all play a half-assed game for us to "enjoy", while silently stewing about the horrible format that is forcing them to play a match they don't want to play. But maybe they would have the opportunity to deceptively and intentionally lose a match to a teammate so at least they can advance, as such a format as this allows for.
And then if there were more tournaments with formats like this, the community would lose interest with all the bad matches, and then there would be less money for the organizers, first from fans and then from sponsors. Then where would these players be, with their PR tactics?
But if it went that far then surely they would switch PR tactics and all complain together, when it's fashionable and safe to do so without drawing the ire of the community or organizers. For now it's good to be content that surely the format will be rid off, and to poke fun at the player who made sure it would be (whether intentionally or not), as long it's fashionable and safe to so.
+ Show Spoiler +The most disgraceful behavior regarding this incident lies with the Korean players and teams as well as the community bad-mouthing NaNiWa, not with NaNiWa himself.
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On December 14 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Pretty much all of their posts are irrelevant since they are making it look like nani threw away ALL his games, thus wasting space when players like MKPS2 could have played instead. This was not the case as Naniwa played all three earlier games to the best of his ability, he only threw the last game that didn't matter and that had zero impact on whether or not MKPS2 or other players lost an opportunity. It was a shitty thing to do to Nestea, i'll give them that, but the rest is just sensationalist "we are holier than thou"-posts
What he means is probably just that he and many others wants the opportunity to play on stage.
Naniwa got this opportunity x4 but just threw away one of them, might be a waste of space compared to anyone else who'd have showed 100%.
Personally I couldn't care less because FFE usually leads to a standard boring game anyways, but Naniwa could have done something way more entertaining than what he did.
Even going 3 nexus before gate or something like that would have been way better for everyone.
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On December 14 2011 01:12 Thezzphai wrote:Show nested quote +After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday. It's not like Hero didn't play like shit though, 2 cannons at the Xel Naga tower, really?
That's something MC has also done recently, it can be quite useful to protect your forward pylon and the watch tower that way.
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What tournament was it that IdrA decided not to play his matches that only determined seeding because he hadn't slept and was really jetlagged?
This is funny to read about... koreans crazy mad
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JUST IMAGINE if there was a Liquibet on this match. There you would have seen a real uproar, the biggest shitstorm ever! Goddamn would I have been soooooo pissed!
+ Show Spoiler +
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On December 14 2011 01:17 squidster wrote:
What tournament was it that IdrA decided not to play his matches that only determined seeding because he hadn't slept and was really jetlagged?
This is funny to read about... koreans crazy mad
IPL3 I think, not sure tho.
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Wow, overreaction has no limit eh?
OK it was a silly thing to do but let's not hang him up alright? It's his match to win/lose/forfeit or whatever. What's next, punishing zerg who 6pool?
It's just a hate-race at the moment mainly because it's naniwa ( and partially because "he's killing the esports" ). I dislike the guy but it's nonsense to blame him for poor game. Also if he was playing zerg and 6pool'ed, probably no one would have cared...
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@FXOChoya: [Can't believe] that kind of bastard is a pro-gamer.
Wait, wait wait wait wait...
Didn't Choya get kicked from GSL for abusing ladder via rock paper scissors? Rofl.
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On December 14 2011 01:12 Thezzphai wrote:Show nested quote +After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday. It's not like Hero didn't play like shit though, 2 cannons at the Xel Naga tower, really?
Way better than to see a probe rush ?HerO was way more professional than Naniwa and he actually apologize to his fans for playing low-level games.
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It definitely wasn't the smartest thing to do, but people are WAY overreacting.
I wonder if Nani would have gotten this much flak if he just haphazardly four gated?
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