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On December 14 2011 01:04 ZenithM wrote:
Also, look at the way MC played against DRG yesterday on Crossfire. The match didn't matter for him (it mattered for Stephano though, I know), but he still microed his shit down to the very end, on a map that is very disadvantageous for Protoss after a certain point in time.
I mean, what's the big deal, Naniwa just had to play his fucking game, it was like 20 minutes of his life at most, he just had to take it like a ladder game or something, but he didn't even do that.
MC would've placed higher if he won as well so this comparison is absolutely worthless.
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On December 14 2011 01:17 Ighox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Pretty much all of their posts are irrelevant since they are making it look like nani threw away ALL his games, thus wasting space when players like MKPS2 could have played instead. This was not the case as Naniwa played all three earlier games to the best of his ability, he only threw the last game that didn't matter and that had zero impact on whether or not MKPS2 or other players lost an opportunity. It was a shitty thing to do to Nestea, i'll give them that, but the rest is just sensationalist "we are holier than thou"-posts What he means is probably just that he and many others wants the opportunity to play on stage. Naniwa got this opportunity x4 but just threw away one of them, might be a waste of space compared to anyone else who'd have showed 100%. Personally I couldn't care less because FFE usually leads to a standard boring game anyways, but Naniwa could have done something way more entertaining than what he did. Even going 3 nexus before gate or something like that would have been way better for everyone.
Even if that is what he meant, which i doubt, it still wouldn't be relevant because Naniwa played his absolute best during every single game that counted, despite the constant cheese. He only forfeited one game that had zero impact on the tournament. Surely you're not implying that MKP wanted to trade places with Naniwa for that last completely meaningless game?
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On December 14 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Pretty much all of their posts are irrelevant since they are making it look like nani threw away ALL his games, thus wasting space when players like MKPS2 could have played instead. This was not the case as Naniwa played all three earlier games to the best of his ability, he only threw the last game that didn't matter and that had zero impact on whether or not MKPS2 or other players lost an opportunity. It was a shitty thing to do to Nestea, i'll give them that, but the rest is just sensationalist "we are holier than thou"-posts
The original Arena of Legends was filled with cheesy strategies that were extremely disappointing for the viewer experience, with most of it coming from MKP himself... and this was a tournament that was only seen by paying customers. I don't think he has the right to complain about another player ignoring the fan's expectations.
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Koreans must have such a nice view of foreigners.
First Idra, now Naniwa lol
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Reddit and the Korean media/fans are really going to destroy this community down the road. They make ridiculous drama out of absolutely nothing (when deserved Drama is fine) but blowing it out of proportion time and time again, it's shameful.
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On December 14 2011 01:21 pezit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:04 ZenithM wrote:
Also, look at the way MC played against DRG yesterday on Crossfire. The match didn't matter for him (it mattered for Stephano though, I know), but he still microed his shit down to the very end, on a map that is very disadvantageous for Protoss after a certain point in time.
I mean, what's the big deal, Naniwa just had to play his fucking game, it was like 20 minutes of his life at most, he just had to take it like a ladder game or something, but he didn't even do that. MC would've placed higher if he won as well so this comparison is absolutely worthless.
Forgot about that, my bad, that's absolutely true. Still, Naniwa just had to play a fucking game of Starcraft 2.
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On December 14 2011 01:22 SC2NeCro wrote:
Reddit and the Korean media/fans are really going to destroy this community down the road. They make ridiculous drama out of absolutely nothing (when deserved Drama is fine) but blowing it out of proportion time and time again, it's shameful.
What's the difference between Reddit drama and TL drama? I believe both sites have arguments for both sides
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On December 14 2011 01:22 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Pretty much all of their posts are irrelevant since they are making it look like nani threw away ALL his games, thus wasting space when players like MKPS2 could have played instead. This was not the case as Naniwa played all three earlier games to the best of his ability, he only threw the last game that didn't matter and that had zero impact on whether or not MKPS2 or other players lost an opportunity. It was a shitty thing to do to Nestea, i'll give them that, but the rest is just sensationalist "we are holier than thou"-posts The original Arena of Legends was filled with cheesy strategies that were extremely disappointing for the viewer experience, with most of it coming from MKP himself... and this was a tournament that was only seen by paying customers. I don't think he has the right to complain about another player ignoring the fan's expectations.
Don't talk rubbish, MKP fans (me included) loved his victory in that tournament. He provided such great tense moments with his inventive strategies. People were looking forward to the grudge match between Naniwa and Nestea after all the hype, and felt lost because all we learned is that Nestea can a-move workers.
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I cannot believe that there are actually people out here who try to justify Naniwas actions. U can argue about the format of the Blizzard Cup of course but taking it as an legitimation is just foolish. Naniwa happily accepted his invitation and u can bet he would have happily taken the prize money. There are so many people who payed money for this tournament and there were even more fans looking forward to a rematch of him and Nestea. Not only was this action disrespectful to Neatea, who could not close out his tourney with a good game, but also to the whole production team of the event. It makes me feel sad and mad to watch a guy who thinks that he can destroy everyones event because it did not go well for himself. His behavior was selfish and more importantly a step backwards in trying to make SC2 and Esports an accepted professional sport.
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On December 14 2011 01:22 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:17 Ighox wrote:On December 14 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Pretty much all of their posts are irrelevant since they are making it look like nani threw away ALL his games, thus wasting space when players like MKPS2 could have played instead. This was not the case as Naniwa played all three earlier games to the best of his ability, he only threw the last game that didn't matter and that had zero impact on whether or not MKPS2 or other players lost an opportunity. It was a shitty thing to do to Nestea, i'll give them that, but the rest is just sensationalist "we are holier than thou"-posts What he means is probably just that he and many others wants the opportunity to play on stage. Naniwa got this opportunity x4 but just threw away one of them, might be a waste of space compared to anyone else who'd have showed 100%. Personally I couldn't care less because FFE usually leads to a standard boring game anyways, but Naniwa could have done something way more entertaining than what he did. Even going 3 nexus before gate or something like that would have been way better for everyone. Even if that is what he meant, which i doubt, it still wouldn't be relevant because Naniwa played his absolute best during every single game that counted, despite the constant cheese. He only forfeited one game that had zero impact on the tournament. Surely you're not implying that MKP wanted to trade places with Naniwa for that last completely meaningless game?
Naniwa did not even bother to TRY whereas MKP would have played it out even if it was a meaningless game.I think that was what MKP meant.
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On December 14 2011 01:22 SC2NeCro wrote:
Reddit and the Korean media/fans are really going to destroy this community down the road. They make ridiculous drama out of absolutely nothing (when deserved Drama is fine) but blowing it out of proportion time and time again, it's shameful.
I agree, it's ridiculous.
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On December 14 2011 01:22 SC2NeCro wrote:
Reddit and the Korean media/fans are really going to destroy this community down the road. They make ridiculous drama out of absolutely nothing (when deserved Drama is fine) but blowing it out of proportion time and time again, it's shameful.
The players and teams don't seem to be helping either, spinning their PR as much as they can to attract fans any way they can.
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On December 14 2011 01:16 dde wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:56 natebreen wrote:
PS For all their bravado and claims of politeness, the koreans are by far the most biased group in all of e-sports.
If this was one of their players I guarantee the tweets would speak of how sorry they were that "so and so lost his heart."
and "I hope he can feel better and practice and return to form. I know he can. Fighting!"
etc. lol? you sure? what if he was in slayers? he would immidiately get punished. same for other teams probably.
As I've said six times in this thread, it's not the punishment I'm talking about, it's the outspoken commentary on the situation.
Sure, SlayerS punished Coca, but I must have missed the ranting of angry korean progamers about the situation.
It's quite obvious.
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sure, blame the player and not the format.
someone should tweet the koreans to man the fuck up and stop being such drama queens.
what, marineking wanted the opportunity to be 0-3 in his group as well and play a pointless match against nestea?
el-oh-el
give me a break, honestly, they are just jumping the hate bandwagon because the evil foreigner ''disrespected'' them.
this is coming from someone who doesnt particularly like naniwer, mind you
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LOL it is the same as when GSL skipped meaningless matches in Up&Down groups recently .... people >.>
ending match this was is maybe a little bit inappropriate but I feel like they shouldn't even have played that match if one of player didn't want to
I bet nestea's mindset wasn't great as well and he was probably happy to go home already :D
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We all want esports to get closer to real sports right? Tell me the last time you saw two 1-10 american football teams who have nothing to play for just forfeit the game, play all their scrub players, etc? Oh what, that doesn't happen...how strange. It's because they have a little fucking something called pride. Pride in what they do for a living. They know that no matter what the 'prize', you fucking play hard for the sake of doing your best and hopefully winning and damn the rest of it.
It's often times like these real athletes show their true colors. It's easy as hell to play your best when you have the chance to win something. The real competitors/winners and the guys with heart and who have pride in their work would have played that game to win for sake of winning.
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On December 14 2011 01:24 awu25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:22 SC2NeCro wrote:
Reddit and the Korean media/fans are really going to destroy this community down the road. They make ridiculous drama out of absolutely nothing (when deserved Drama is fine) but blowing it out of proportion time and time again, it's shameful. What's the difference between Reddit drama and TL drama? I believe both sites have arguments for both sides
TL has moderators and probably a higher ratio of smart:dumb people, where as on Reddit you can just go wild with being a jerk. Sometimes it isn't even voted down.
As well as most complains here are in threads with just posts made, but on Reddit some angry guy makes a "thread" and it gets upvoted to hell and the recipient is now on blast.
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On December 14 2011 01:22 SC2NeCro wrote:
Reddit and the Korean media/fans are really going to destroy this community down the road. They make ridiculous drama out of absolutely nothing (when deserved Drama is fine) but blowing it out of proportion time and time again, it's shameful.
Lol, TL has been exploding over this, Reddit by comparison has been relatively calm and siding with NaNiwa.
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On December 14 2011 01:25 Sabersharp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:22 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 01:17 Ighox wrote:On December 14 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 00:52 CanucksJC wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but
@MKPS2
I wonder what all the gamers, who wanted to be on that stage, thought after this game.... I myself wanted this opportunity really badly.
@IM_NesTea_
After calming myself down after playing terribly, the opponent does something even more crazy.
@MVPGuineapig
There are many other players that wanted to play in that league, but couldn't. Is he mocking all of us?
@SC2MVP
The thing that makes me angry the most is that NesTea was practicing past midnight, even though it was his birthday... Things shouldn't have been this way.
@SC2MVP
I'm glad that Quantic and Complexity made that deal. He could have been staying at our team house... That was the most disappointing game as at SC2 fan. Pretty much all of their posts are irrelevant since they are making it look like nani threw away ALL his games, thus wasting space when players like MKPS2 could have played instead. This was not the case as Naniwa played all three earlier games to the best of his ability, he only threw the last game that didn't matter and that had zero impact on whether or not MKPS2 or other players lost an opportunity. It was a shitty thing to do to Nestea, i'll give them that, but the rest is just sensationalist "we are holier than thou"-posts What he means is probably just that he and many others wants the opportunity to play on stage. Naniwa got this opportunity x4 but just threw away one of them, might be a waste of space compared to anyone else who'd have showed 100%. Personally I couldn't care less because FFE usually leads to a standard boring game anyways, but Naniwa could have done something way more entertaining than what he did. Even going 3 nexus before gate or something like that would have been way better for everyone. Even if that is what he meant, which i doubt, it still wouldn't be relevant because Naniwa played his absolute best during every single game that counted, despite the constant cheese. He only forfeited one game that had zero impact on the tournament. Surely you're not implying that MKP wanted to trade places with Naniwa for that last completely meaningless game? Naniwa did not even bother to TRY whereas MKP would have played it out even if it was a meaningless game.I think that was what MKP meant.
MKP had to try because he is in eternal debt to reddit for sending him to MLG
If you actually believe that MKP's post was solely about how he would have wanted to be in Naniwas 0-3 position with one meaningless game left, you're delusional.
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How can people justify Nani's actions?.. No matter the stakes, you play the game out, as well as you can. If there's nothing at stake, just play it out. It's a disgrace towards NesTea, GSL, and Pro gaming. He should be penalized, at least 1 or 2 seasons banned from GSL competitions.
It would have been slightly more acceptable to just forfeit the game and leave, rather that start it up.
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