EPTPatch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 307
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Mr_Kyo
United States269 Posts
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Aiurr
Poland80 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:00 fant0m wrote: What? Show me one game where that happens. I assume the High Templars are A moving and the Colossus are on move command? Because both of those units can easily stop NP from having any lasting effect at all. Storm, Feedback, a single volley from colo........ all wipe out infestors. Especially when we're talking about pure roach/infestor. NP and colossus have the same range (same with feedback, and storm is close), and all it takes is 1 volley to wipe out all of the Z's gas investment. I am pretty sure collosus doesn't deal 90 damage... and even if it did, you would have to targetfire infestors instead of zerglings or raches. AI won't do it for you. Also, zerg whining players, you must reralise that Blizzard doesn't nerf units only by looking on match statistics and replays. It is just not how you should play sc2. Terran or Protoss invests a lot of time and money into their end game units, and all zerg has to do is to use 100m 150g worth of unit to take over everything. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:04 Plansix wrote: Finally, zerg won't be able to lock down my most expensive units after one bad battle. I was tired of not being able to micro the majority of my army in a fight. Nothing like losing every colossi as your trying to retreat. learn to use feedback , its easy , when i play good toss in late game ( mid masters in EU ) 3/4 of my infestors are already dead , before i can NP something . I only can use like 2-3 NP in big fight if toss play good , and then its not a problem forhim to focus down 2-3 infestors whit blink stalkers to finish NP .. You just need more multitasking whit your army , not only A move forward.. | ||
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BjC
England181 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:06 Darksoldierr wrote: How can it be that so many zergs thinks that toss is op when results and statistics shows otherwhise? I mean something must have gone wrong somewhere Idra said so once. So therefore it must be true. Forum logic ftw! | ||
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elis
Sweden69 Posts
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
1. Retarded a. 2 base Thor only allins for the win. b. Why should the Protoss have incentive to make HTs and micro? From my experience, if the toss is good with HTs control, the zerg shit his pants when the feedbacks hit; but whatever. It's good to nerf things we don't have much experience in playing with. EDIT. Maybe increase the energy cost of NP so not all the Infestors get so fast to enough energy to NP. 2. Destiny back to mid master where he belongs. I think fungal nerf is ok. Also, maybe nerf Infested Terran. PS. I am a very light Infestor user. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
In that matchup, Zerg currently is the race who can most effectively counter because the speed of its units, it is the race which can remax the quickest because of its macro mechanics, AND it is the race with the most powerful late game unit composition. Even if we don't see this change go through, I believe there will be another made to ensure that when a maxed P army and a maxed Z army clash, the P army will win almost every time. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8922 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:05 Provocateur wrote: Neural's been the big thing preventing terran from going mech with thor heavy compositions since they're so clunky and fragile to neurals. Won't be autoloss when you build more thors than tanks vs infestor users anymore. siege tanks out range neurals and siege tanks auto-target infestors due to "smart targetting" don't see why this was or should have ever been a problem with mech VS zerg. | ||
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atavus
France60 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:10 aXa wrote: So what, are zerg supposed to NP marines now ? NO use, you have infested terran | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
I don't get why Blizzard keeps patching balance issues, when what they need to do is to adress the spectator issue. They must make Protoss interesting to spectate. Now I can't watch any PvT or PvZ just because how un-esport it feels watching the design of P. For a start, I have one idea: Make it so that feedback can be used on every unit, not just the ones that have mana. If you feedback a non-mana unit, nothing happens but the feedback energy of 50 is wasted anyways. Why this change? This will not adress balance, but make Protoss a tad more interesting to spectate, since it will separate the real skilled P players from the rest. Now you can not shift-click the minimap 10 times to do miracle feedbacks on all enemy energy units, but you need actual skill to pull it off, and that will enhance the spectator experience. Now, I just can't sit in awe watching "pro" Protoss players pull of "insane" micro, just because there is none. Changes like these and other small non balance changes will give us spectators so thrills even when watching Protoss games. | ||
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foxorz
33 Posts
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Pred8oar
Germany281 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:29 foxorz wrote: I can't beleive all the zerg tears in this thread..fucking delicious. It's about fucking time they nerfed NP, its always been op. Can't wait to actually play against something other then mass infestors..except 99% of zergs are garbage and will still just mass infestors SIGH You Sir are a prick and should be banned. | ||
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devilcry
Bulgaria53 Posts
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:09 BjC wrote: Idra said so once. So therefore it must be true. Forum logic ftw! even though you are being sarcastic..you bringing idra up is just stupid. when have zergs not complained about the deathball of lol colossi/blink stalkers/sentrys | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
 ) , i think 2 base BC rush will work now fine vs zerg :D | ||
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Andytaker
88 Posts
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Pred8oar
Germany281 Posts
On September 09 2011 22:13 Daimai wrote: Good addition Blizzard, though i still think fungal root is the imba thing about infestors. But Ill take whatever help i can have vs zerg. You mean like forcefields? | ||
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