EPTPatch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 305
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Aiurr
Poland80 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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ScythedBlade
308 Posts
On the other hand, TERRAN itself REALLY needs a giant nerf into crazy oblivion. With crazy amounts of EZ marines they can rape early game so hard for protoss and yet their MULEs make them pretty crazy ... =/ | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:47 SharkStarcraft wrote: What the FUCK why is blizzard so STUPID how am i supposed to kill the deathball now? With fungal? Holy shit i cant even believe it why does Blizzard nerf such a fundamental spell, ZvP is unwinnable now, unless Corrupters get a GIANT buff. Otherwise i will play Toss, fuck the ultralisk buff, that infestor shit is simply a joke. Colossus balls are as OP as never before. Maybe it was getting a little ridiculous that zerg only had to make buffed up roaches and infestors to beat a deathball of colossus, stalkers, zealots, and high temps? | ||
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Andytaker
88 Posts
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:53 oogieogie wrote: This change just makes the "lol turtle deathball" so much more stupid vZ, and you think that is a great change? I absolutely love it ;>. It's just ridiculous to see some zergs just go mass infestor versus everything, yet still winning with it tt. We'll have to see if it impacts it the way you say it will. | ||
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EvOr
France48 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:52 SharkStarcraft wrote: So, now toss is easier that ever before, Colossus balls are so fucking OP now i cant even tell. ZvP was broken, so Blizz decides to make it even MORE broken what the FUCK? What are we supposed to NP now? "Oh you zerg players can only whine you can still fungal immortals" yeah you now how many toss players are going to build immortals now in zvp? the answer is ZERO because the fucking deathball is unstoppable now, it was hard to deal with it PRE-patch. And dont tell me broodlords or the buffed ultralisks are supposed to counter the ball, the Colossus timing attack hits WAY before you are at T3 and simply roflstomps you. This has to be a joke, otherwise blizzard has no CLUE what balance means. I haven't seen a deathball win a match PvZ in month at korean-pro level. | ||
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lgn!
Italy224 Posts
thx blizzy <3 | ||
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:54 Andytaker wrote: I would accept that if the Corrupter gets a buff to kill colossus Move neural parasite to corrupter  How I'd love to see alpha phase corrupters back... | ||
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atavus
France60 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:52 SharkStarcraft wrote: So, now toss is easier that ever before, Colossus balls are so fucking OP now i cant even tell. ZvP was broken, so Blizz decides to make it even MORE broken what the FUCK? What are we supposed to NP now? "Oh you zerg players can only whine you can still fungal immortals" yeah you now how many toss players are going to build immortals now in zvp? the answer is ZERO because the fucking deathball is unstoppable now, it was hard to deal with it PRE-patch. And dont tell me broodlords or the buffed ultralisks are supposed to counter the ball, the Colossus timing attack hits WAY before you are at T3 and simply roflstomps you. This has to be a joke, otherwise blizzard has no CLUE what balance means. Pre patch no one was using infestaor because fungal was "useless & you can't NP colossi because of range" After patch everyone starting to go full infester fungal like crazy & discover they actually NP colossi. Now Toss can do shit with colossi each time you make one, chance of being NP are 80 %. | ||
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foxorz
33 Posts
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Apoo
413 Posts
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ChaosXIII
Canada5 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:55 Fyzar wrote: I absolutely love it ;>. It's just ridiculous to see some zergs just go mass infestor versus everything, yet still winning with it tt. We'll have to see if it impacts it the way you say it will. I absolutely do not D: It's just ridiculous so see some protoss just go deathball versus everything, yet still win with it T-T | ||
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Playerone111
39 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:57 foxorz wrote: Jesus so many shitty zergs crying in this thread..Heres a tip for you..if all you did was mass infestors every matchup (99% of zergs including destiny) YOU DONT BELONG IN MASTERS LEAGUE. get used to diamond bros! you gonna be there soon.. idd like every pvz now is freaking protoss vs mass infestors... Personally i think this change is really reasonable, it was more than needed, infestors were ( and currently are ) op | ||
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:55 Fyzar wrote: I absolutely love it ;>. It's just ridiculous to see some zergs just go mass infestor versus everything, yet still winning with it tt. We'll have to see if it impacts it the way you say it will. The problem here isn't that the infestor is too strong, it's that the infestor is way stronger then anything else the zerg has to offer. They're just to flexible and powerful to not have in your army, thus making any hydra or corrupters needless. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:54 Probe1 wrote: I would love to read the reasoning behind the neural parasite nerf. It certainly does make mech terran that much stronger. NP can still be used on tanks, and the traditional mech opener (BFH harass) was nerfed quite a bit, so I think it could balance itself out. Even if it ends up being a buff overall, I personally wouldn't mind mech becoming a viable option to the old marine/tank. | ||
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Playerone111
39 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:58 Apoo wrote: I am having a hard time against Terran and i use Neutral parasite a lot against Mech (Thor). How do i beat Mech now ? brood lords? | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8907 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:54 ScythedBlade wrote: As a Protoss player, I definitely believe that massive units being neural parasited is too much of a huge nerf. What I really think should happen is that air units can no longer be neural parasited (or if even that is too much, massive air units cannot be neuraled). This change I would REALLY want because "seriously, how can an infestor's tentacle reach infinite distance in the sky". On the other hand, TERRAN itself REALLY needs a giant nerf into crazy oblivion. With crazy amounts of EZ marines they can rape early game so hard for protoss and yet their MULEs make them pretty crazy ... =/ honestly, if its massive air units you're worried about, i think the mothership could use something similar to the ultra that makes it immune to neural. i wouldnt worry too much about carriers being neuraled because the range of the remaining carriers means if we have one or two less infestors, our neural'ing infestors will go down to the interceptors.. IF you target them.. | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
On September 09 2011 21:54 shockaslim wrote: Maybe it was getting a little ridiculous that zerg only had to make buffed up roaches and infestors to beat a deathball of colossus, stalkers, zealots, and high temps? What? Show me one game where that happens. I assume the High Templars are A moving and the Colossus are on move command? Because both of those units can easily stop NP from having any lasting effect at all. Storm, Feedback, a single volley from colo........ all wipe out infestors. Especially when we're talking about pure roach/infestor. NP and colossus have the same range (same with feedback, and storm is close), and all it takes is 1 volley to wipe out all of the Z's gas investment. | ||
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DerBeefman
Germany226 Posts
There are some hard 2 base pushes at around 15 minutes with thor/hellions and some scvs to repair, the normal answer to this would be roach/infestor with np which isn't possible anymore. Ofc in lategame bls are an option. | ||
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