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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:28 Medrea wrote: Of course they are effective, they allow for reshaping of the terrain. But they can be accounted for and circumvented or traversed. Yes, of course. So easily circumvented they are. | ||
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
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RandomAccount#106470
Lithuania1506 Posts
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
This makes the game more boring and mech much stronger in TvZ. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:25 KallWest wrote: I could see that if Ultras had gotten a buff like "can now walk over friendly units" (like the collossus) but the buff they gave the Ultra only makes it come out 20 seconds faster, it doesn't change the fact that it is useless in too many situations. Yeah, not to mention Thors absolutely obliterate Ultras. ZvT Ultras are only really effective at absorbing siege tank fire and dying instantly to ghosts. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:32 Swad1000 wrote: Skip to 14mns 15 seconds for anyone saying NP is useless post patch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MGJ7pa0-90 That single game has been referenced before in this thread. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:28 MrBitter wrote: Hmm.... So if you can't neural massive, what in the world is it for now? Immortals and Tanks? I'm not sure that justifies the research. Really incredibly huge change, but I think the effects of it are going to be felt most in ZvT, not ZvP. Roach/Infestor was really the only way (in my opinion) to deal with a thor-heavy meching Terran. I think Neural was really necessary for dealing with big mech pushes, and I don't think it will be possible to have broods out in time..... The sickest most perverse aspect of all this is that with immortals being buffed you're going to see more immortal pushes which means that the new NP will be both horribly cost ineffective and necessary to waste your resources in to counter some builds. Blizzard is an expert torturer  Again, if we're completing removing a spellcaster ability that is hurting protoss how on earth does EMP escape the chop? It's the most devastating thing by far. Blizzard nerfing zerg before terran again. You can't write this stuff man. It's stranger than fiction. | ||
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Absentia
United Kingdom973 Posts
Obviously nobody is going to switch over to a mass thor composition every game but neural seemed to be the only true 'counter' to significant thor numbers outside of hive tech. Interesting change to PvZ...I really dont think it's that bad of a change. Obviously Blizzard are trying to create an infestor counter whichever tech the protoss goes down and i've personally always thought Colossi in highish numbers were the best response to infestors, (outside of feedbacking that is). This just promotes that idea even more. That said, the ability has been badly nerfed so I can understand people's animosity. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:28 Medrea wrote: I hear roach immortal is pretty good against stalkers. I hear HTs are pretty good too ... | ||
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ETisME
12889 Posts
snipes takes out zerg's tier 3 units no problem emp just owns protoss so hard that it isn't funny | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:32 Swad1000 wrote: Skip to 14mns 15 seconds for anyone saying NP is useless post patch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MGJ7pa0-90 Awesome. Now I know that post-patch I finally have a way to punish a couple units that stray away from the main army. Was definitely a game-breaking problem in all my matchups. Those darn stragglers... always catching me by surprise. | ||
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Bocian
Poland259 Posts
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blacklist_member
Australia318 Posts
I cant seem to find any game....... | ||
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RandomAccount#106470
Lithuania1506 Posts
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Chees3yJunk
Norway9 Posts
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Pred8oar
Germany281 Posts
i really hate that, do they really want the useless and inefficient corrupter again? People were whining about fungal and they nerf np. Players have shown with feedback, emp, snipe, blinkstalkers and phoenix how to combat infestors and np efficiently and they just remove it? WHY? Wow, this change makes me really pissed >  | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I know a lot of lower level P complain about FG on HT, but if you don't group them up, it's not a problem. I've been trying to play on the PTR, but it's not up? Is anyone able to get on PTR? It says it's live on the website, but I can't get on it. | ||
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OnlineHero
Denmark647 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:38 Pred8oar wrote: Wow, now colossi are again unstoppable and lings are worthless because of archon and colossi, i really hate that, do they really want the useless and inefficient corrupter again? People were whining about fungal and they nerf np. Players have shown with feedback, emp, snipe, blinkstalkers and phoenix how to combat infestors and np efficiently and they just remove it? WHY? Wow, this change makes me really pissed > I guess they just want to go back to roach/hydra getting obliterated by mass colossus. I know I'm whining a bit here, but as a spectator I really hate this change. It makes the game less entertaining. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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