EPTnow zergs must find new ways to win games.
Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 287
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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devilcry
Bulgaria53 Posts
now zergs must find new ways to win games. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Idra for one zerg, uses it a hell of alot of times taking colsususuus or thors. Now he cant ? wow, thats a biggy. | ||
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Acadea
United States41 Posts
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Darack
51 Posts
With the reduced ultralisk build time and more Thors on the field we have to wait and see how it plays out. As of PvZ, corrupters look like they are meant to counter the collossus just like vikings in PvT although corrupters have significant lower range and are pretty horrible. Expect a buff to them soon if NP change gets through PTR. | ||
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dpala002
United States10 Posts
"Infestor’s Neural Parasite can no longer target Massive units." NO!........ omg, I hope this doesn't go through http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662 | ||
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:54 Mindcrime wrote: If this "tier" nonsense is to have any meaning at all, Colossi are tier 2. Claiming that they are "tier 3 just like brood lords" when the tech costs about half as much and takes about half the time to build is just dumb. Actually they are tier three... Protoss' tier three anyways. They take just as many tech structures and time as HTs, Carriers and motherships! Gate - Core - Robo - Robo Bay gate - Core - Stargate - Fleet beacon gate - core - twilight - archives -____- Tier is not whats actually relevant though. Protoss has to go all the way to the end of one of 3 tech branches to get the AoE necessary to deal with Zerg and Terran Bio and hatchtech/layertech. Regardless that's not even the focus of my post anyways. | ||
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Dandy_Moustachu
France422 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:02 MrCon wrote: Perhaps now that neural can't target the better units, it should be a permanent mind control. If they don't make any other change to NP is gonna fall into oblivion (or almost) Energy Cost, permanent or longer, not channeled, those kind of thing | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:09 Sajaki wrote: Actually they are tier three... Protoss' tier three anyways. They take just as many tech structures and time as HTs, Carriers and motherships! Gate - Core - Robo - Robo Bay gate - Core - Stargate - Fleet beacon gate - core - twilight - archives -____- Tier is not whats actually relevant though. Protoss has to go all the way to the end of one of 3 branches to get the AoE necessary to deal with Zerg and Terran Bio and hatchtech/layer tech. Describing SC2 in terms of tiers is pretty much universally reviled, looked down upon, and laughed at anyway. Even a layman can see that the game has more depth than that. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
Haha. Yeah I was a bit confused on that one. Um, 6 NE on 6 colo or 6 thor no gg for bug race. bug can't NE 6 or 1 colo or 6 or even 1 thor from army and with "unit not targetable" NE message for bug screen. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:53 Medrea wrote: If you get the neural off before either one of those lands the tentacle will still land and youll have complete control for full duration. And colossus are what corruptors are for and plays well with a broodlord transition. well the faster player wins and thats how it should be. imagine feedbacks range would even be larger. why should zerg ever make infestors in that case? The problem right now is, that players like to build their sick strong offensive unit combination. For toss this might be a deathball with robotech. The robotech allows you to be safe in midgame, because you can defend your base with a much smaller army and still use it when you decide to move out. But here it gets tricky: why do so many players think the unitcombo from the midgame should also be very strong in the late game? "I just make more of everything and win with one push" isn`t a very clever lategame plan. Sure, sometimes you win by overwhelming your opponent, but this only happens if you are way better, or already have a significant advantage. sometimes zerg just need roaches vs terran (to defend mass helions), or hydras vs toss (to defend stargate units), but if they plan to end the game with just roach/hydra, they often just get crushed. Therefore a transition (into infestor/baneling drops/ultra/broodloard) is needed. Now back the original issue: infestors are good and they have to be. but both of the other races have a very good counter against them and if they dont built HTs or ghosts they should never complain about a loss versus heavy infestor play. | ||
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Limpo
Sweden25 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:13 Limpo wrote: Why this random nerf to Neural?? It was one of my favourite spells in the whole game. Now I have to change my whole playstyle against Protoss. This wasn't suppose to happen You should still be fine. Fungal Growth is the cornerstone of that unit and it comes stock, don't even ahve to research it. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:07 Pandemona wrote: Hmmm, where did that NP random nerf come from "/ Idra for one zerg, uses it a hell of alot of times taking colsususuus or thors. Now he cant ? wow, thats a biggy. Idra is no longer a top zerg. If you want to bring good examples look at the way Nestea/Losira/Drg use it to beat other races. | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:09 dpala002 wrote: Updated 9/8/11 at 7:00 PM PDT "Infestor’s Neural Parasite can no longer target Massive units." NO!........ omg, I hope this doesn't go through http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662 If that change makes it trough, Zerg will have an even harder time winning any games than before the Fungal Buff and ZvP will be almost unwinnable again, so will Terran Mech... With the Fungal-Nerf, which is IMHO quite substantial in ZvP and with neural Nerf, Zerg will have to go back to using Corruptors and they just suck sooooooo hard. Also, Protoss will get some very nice buffs to Immos and Prism. The fact that Blizzard even considers this change makes me heavily question their understanding of the game... again... I understand that Protoss doesn't have the easiest time against Zerg atm, with zerg figuring out all their timings and adapting a very macro-oriented playstyle and correctly using infestors. But the Fungal-Nerf and the Protoss-Buffs (especially Immo and Prism, which will become extremely good against Zerg) will IMHO help Protoss enough to develop some new strats and timings and have a better Lategame as well (Stalker+Immo+HT's is IMHO still the best composition for Protoss against Zerg). The only thing I like about the Neural-Nerf is, that Carriers might get slightly better (with Zerg using almost no anti-air against Protoss nowadays). But this change would be ridiculous, I think even ppl thinking that Zerg is too strong now (yep, there are some out there) would agree with that. It's kinda like when Blizzard wanted Fungal not to target air-units, it would nearly break Zerg. If Blizzard would do some major changes to the corruptor or weaken Collossi, it could be a not so bad change, but they'd also have to lower the mana-cost of NP. | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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harhar!
Germany190 Posts
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:11 TheDraken wrote: Haha. Yeah I was a bit confused on that one. Um, 6 NE on 6 colo or 6 thor no gg for bug race. bug can't NE 6 or 1 colo or 6 or even 1 thor from army and with "unit not targetable" NE message for bug screen. hahaha sounds like a failed attempt at talking like white-ra | ||
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
On September 09 2011 17:16 jstar wrote: Why is the SC2 crowd sounding more and more like WoW? This patch is amazing, with no bias. its a shame and most people here probably aren't even good but just like complaining its stupid | ||
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