Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne

There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

August 30 2011 01:25 GMT

#4301

I don't understand the barracks build time

For slighty more time for zerg to build some zerglings to defend themselfs from terran allins and rushes.

mothership speed increase

Mothership speed is same. They're changed only accelerating (time to reach max speed), not speed.

Simberto

Germany11321 Posts

August 30 2011 01:25 GMT

#4302

On August 30 2011 08:43 thePROtoss wrote:
This mothership speed buff is about to make mothership rush a lot better, and i feel that immortals & Ravens are definitely going to be used more often! Can someone explain whether the 40dmg vs armored or the +30% dmg is better?

Before: 36, 47 vs Armored
After: 30, 40 vs Armored

So, a straight nerf.

Holykitty

Netherlands246 Posts

August 30 2011 01:27 GMT

#4303

On August 30 2011 09:00 ladytr0n wrote:
Zerg can now easily safely expand 15 hatch 15 pool v T, we can actually breath during hellion harass ... I like.

if the barracks change turns out to be that big a deal terran will struggle to pressure zerg at all until the mid game :D

so either double expanding will become standard for T or the barracks change will have to not be such a big deal.

the fact you see 2 raxing on tal darim makes me think that 5 seconds wont be a problem on most maps

Slab

Canada15 Posts

August 30 2011 01:38 GMT

#4304

Mothership should be able to call down DONKEYs that mine 20 gas per trip and last ~60 seconds, and can mine over probes.

Devise

Canada1131 Posts

August 30 2011 02:00 GMT

#4305

On August 30 2011 10:38 Slab wrote:
Mothership should be able to call down DONKEYs that mine 20 gas per trip and last ~60 seconds, and can mine over probes.

Genius, I completely agree

ExorArgus

Canada46 Posts

August 30 2011 02:25 GMT

#4306

Overall these seem like enjoyable patch notes for Protoss and Zerg. A couple interesting things I noted was that Zerg now has the cheapest mobile detection. A Warp prism can take 9 (instead of 6) volleys from a missile turret (and 14 (instead of 10) attacks from a spore crawler). Blue flame hellions now kill workers in 3 shots but 2 shots with +2 weapons ( So if the scv has +3 armor it cannot get 2 shotted by a hellion). Hunter Seeker missile now is faster then workers, vikings, banshees, warp prism (without speed), zealots, DTs, archons, medivacs, banelings (without speed or creep), roachs (with speed off creep ( non speed on creep are fine though), and overseers/overlords with speed.
Just somethings I noticed that I found intriguing.

KDot2

United States1213 Posts

August 30 2011 02:29 GMT

#4307

On August 30 2011 07:34 rickybobby wrote:
It seems like the blue flame nerf is overkill. At raleigh bfh were not nearly as effective as in anaheim because people know how to defend them now, and a nerf this big might make helions go the way of the reaper -_-

I think Hellions are still going to be a great unit

pwadoc

271 Posts

August 30 2011 02:49 GMT

#4308

The more I play the PTR, the more I realize how much a joke this game is. The zerg race is fundamentally broken. It's poorly designed, and no amount of patching is going to fix it. Blizzard expects us to wait a year and pay money just to give them the chance to actually balance the game. It's absurd. It's a sign for zergs to invest their time in a different game.

pookychoo

New Zealand96 Posts

August 30 2011 02:49 GMT

#4309

wow havent been playing sc2 in ages but these changes look exactly along the lines of what I wanted (only thing im not too sure about the ramp vision thing, would have to see how it played out before being sure.. dont want turtling to be too strong)

Noyze

United States10 Posts

August 30 2011 03:00 GMT

#4310

On August 25 2011 10:27 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
As cool as the patch sounds, I hope they don't take "complaints" too far and just constantly nerf the meta-game in the future even if they meta-game is fine down the road.

That's what happen to and killed wow.

Maynarde

Australia1286 Posts

August 30 2011 03:04 GMT

#4311

On August 30 2011 11:29 ShooTouts wrote:

Show nested quote +

I think Hellions are still going to be a great unit

Of course they are still gonna be great. Terrans only need to make 1 more hellion to do the same amount of damage they did to a ball of light units / workers.

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10292 Posts

August 30 2011 03:06 GMT

#4312

On August 30 2011 11:29 ShooTouts wrote:

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I think Hellions are still going to be a great unit

actually i think it was more because ganzi, mma, and boxer weren't there

oniman999

United States169 Posts

August 30 2011 03:49 GMT

#4313

Could we see Raven HSM destroy entire mineral lines now that it outspeeds workers? The possibilities :O

Astrau

Canada37 Posts

August 30 2011 04:02 GMT

#4314

On August 30 2011 12:49 oniman999 wrote:
Could we see Raven HSM destroy entire mineral lines now that it outspeeds workers? The possibilities :O

BUNCH EM UP

It could be pretty hard to micro out of if the missiles are launched at close range/several are launched simultaneously at a mineral line.

Moldwood

United States280 Posts

August 30 2011 04:13 GMT

#4315

immortal and warp prism are two of my favorite units........ DOUBLE ROBO ALL THE WAAAAY!!!!!!

fant0m

964 Posts

August 30 2011 04:28 GMT

#4316

On August 30 2011 11:25 ExorArgus wrote:
Blue flame hellions now kill workers in 3 shots but 2 shots with +2 weapons ( So if the scv has +3 armor it cannot get 2 shotted by a hellion).

Wrong. +1 weapons is a 2 shot again (on drones and probes). +2 weapons and up is a 2 shot with any level of armor.

Only SCVs work in the manner that you're thinking of, they have more HP than the other workers.

Ribbon

United States5278 Posts

August 30 2011 04:32 GMT

#4317

On August 30 2011 13:28 fant0m wrote:

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Changing it to +5 was the smallest nerf that would've mattered. +6 would be effectively the same, and +4 would be substantially worse. As is, +1 mech is now a way more important upgrade to get.

Bassmasta79

United States9 Posts

August 30 2011 04:36 GMT

#4318

On August 25 2011 10:18 neobowman wrote:
This sounds like an amazing patch. Even as a Zerg player, I'd prefer Fungal being changed from freeze to slow though, and keeping the damage. Warpprisms sound great. And again, as a Zerg player, I think 5 for blue flame is too little. Maybe 7. Seeker missles are great.

I have a feeling Blizz is listening to State of the Game

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Immortal and Mothership changes sound awesome while still keeping the game fine. Blink too.

Even the Bnet changes are sick!

i would rather have the freeze on the fungal its great running banes in on a large group of marines and just sitting back and watching the magic

SoKHo

Korea (South)1081 Posts

August 30 2011 04:39 GMT

#4319

On August 30 2011 11:49 pwadoc wrote:
The more I play the PTR, the more I realize how much a joke this game is. The zerg race is fundamentally broken. It's poorly designed, and no amount of patching is going to fix it. Blizzard expects us to wait a year and pay money just to give them the chance to actually balance the game. It's absurd. It's a sign for zergs to invest their time in a different game.

oh i'm sorry, you must have been living in a cave when nestea won 4 GSL championships

Grndr101

Belgium125 Posts

August 30 2011 04:44 GMT

#4320

On August 30 2011 13:13 Moldwood wrote:
immortal and warp prism are two of my favorite units........ DOUBLE ROBO ALL THE WAAAAY!!!!!!

Yeah I'm a terran and I'm still looking foreward to some awesome warp prism micro. Seriously it's such an underused unit, special tactics all the way!!!