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captainobvious
Canada21 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:28 jstar wrote: Zerg: Hard to learn, easy to master. Protoss: Easy to learn, hard to master. Terran: Middle /thread Zerg easy to master.. LOLOLOLOL | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
Either way, people saying protoss is easy doesn't matter. We have already seen over the past year that zergs just complain about other races because they think their race is the hardest to play. All that really matters is how they play at a higher level, and right now they seem to be relatively close to balanced. Ya I think saying that any of the races are easy to master is completely false. | ||
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:14 meadbert wrote: 1) Toss requires less APM because you build fewer units. What? Have you ever played Starcraft 2 before? There's no limit to the size of control groups. | ||
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
At higher level, Protoss is quite hard to play as it is very fragile and doesn't really have some strong macro mechanic (except CB and late game 20gate instant warp-in). | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:19 tsarnicky wrote: \IMO the bottomline is with toss you can learn 1 cheesy strat and perfect it and probably get to masters: Where are these threads? I know of no cheesy strats that Toss can abuse to Masters. I have seen the 6/7 pool threads. I have seen the Marine/SCV all in thread. I have seen no threads describing master's level protoss cheese that works against T/Z? The only way to cheese at master's level is against other toss where you can either Korean 4 Gate or Cannon rush. | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
But in SC2 I think there is far less of a gap between the races. FAR LESS. The only easier part in my humble Gold Level opinion is spending. When I'm protoss its far easier to not float on minerals (I main zerg). And this is made up for by the many other difficulties that accompany the race | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Anyone can be nestea once they just get over the learning curve!!! | ||
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:34 meadbert wrote: \ Where are these threads? I know of no cheesy strats that Toss can abuse to Masters. I have seen the 6/7 pool threads. I have seen the Marine/SCV all in thread. I have seen no threads describing master's level protoss cheese that works against T/Z? The only way to cheese at master's level is against other toss where you can either Korean 4 Gate or Cannon rush. 4gate vs. P and 6gate vs. T/Z? EDIT: Most people are going to say purely 4gate against all races but 6gate is stronger and not that much more difficult to execute. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
This is why. | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:36 Sc1pio wrote: 4gate vs. P and 6gate vs. T/Z? EDIT: Most people are going to say purely 4gate against all races but 6gate is stronger and not that much more difficult to execute. So now 2 base timing attacks are cheese? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Isn't 6gate considered all-in? Not just a timing attack... | ||
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
I disagree that's it's cheese but it's slightly abusive and you can use it to get to masters rather easily. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:36 Sc1pio wrote: 4gate vs. P and 6gate vs. T/Z? EDIT: Most people are going to say purely 4gate against all races but 6gate is stronger and not that much more difficult to execute. 4 gate wont win you a single game against a good zerg/terran. nor will a 6gate, both races have figured out a long time ago how to hold that. +2wep 7 blinkstalkers is a much better "cheese" if we are talking cheeses, but thats mostly against zerg.. | ||
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:38 wei2coolman wrote: Isn't 6gate considered all-in? Not just a timing attack... almost no 2 base attacks are all in as long as you do damage, it is a timing attack "all in" overused and has lost its meaning | ||
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Techno
1900 Posts
On August 11 2011 05:10 Lewan72 wrote: I hate it when people say Protoss is 1a move attack win. Protoss requires the MOST micro out of any race. If anything ZERG is a 1a move attack win race (not trying to diss on zerg, zerg is still hard and you have to macro very good). And then they say Protoss is then OP when we have the lowest winrate. Yay Storm vs EMP/Stim/Kiting. I'd take storm any day. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:38 wei2coolman wrote: Press "w" "s" click, repeat, "s" click", until warpgates are on cooldown. This is why. and this is harder than pressing "5" "s" "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" ? | ||
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lcl
United Kingdom119 Posts
It has to be a timing attack - only idra talks about 2 base and 3 base all ins ^_^ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:40 MenSol[ZerO] wrote: almost no 2 base attacks are all in as long as you do damage, it is a timing attack "all in" overused and has lost its meaning That's like saying a 6 pool is a timing attack, because if you do enough damage you can work your way back into the game, despite not winning the fight. | ||
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Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
Also I find Protoss to be least forgiving in terms of losing the game from 1 mistake, if you lose map awareness for just a moment and let a drop happen or let an emp go off or miss a FF or let an enemy army run up into your face, it's GG right there and then. Seriously,without constant vigilance, any dropship that unloads in your base will almost always be more cost efficient than whatever you send to kill it and it often cripples you right there. | ||
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