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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:45 Mogwai wrote: Taric does too. It gives your whole team a free 15/35/45 AD and makes you unkillable. I honestly don't get why people hate Taric's ult so much. Eats mana so fast that you can't cast any of your other spells. zz | ||
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Javadocs
United States60 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:53 NeoIllusions wrote: You may be the first person I've met that's happy with Leona, haha. glgl Hah its more that I just find her abilities fun to use. I played 3 games with her and did bad in 2 and awesome in 1. I don't play ranked games so maybe with the generally crappy players I play with and against I can have some fun with her and do decent when I learn to use her to a decent level. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
Seen SK skirmish today and they are using Leona. Her stuns aren't that bad and she is tanky. | ||
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Mastermyth
Netherlands207 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:54 NeoIllusions wrote: Eats mana so fast that you can't cast any of your other spells. zz 3 d-rings or chalice literally makes this a non-issue tbh Like, chalice is real good on taric. Credit to Niton | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:40 DarkRise wrote: With the heal nerfs, most are gonna use offensive/tanky supports. Seen SK skirmish today and they are using Leona. Her stuns aren't that bad and she is tanky. Does this mean Renek is better? I like him a lot as well. The one game where I did really well I had a lot of squishies who put out a lot of dmg and I basically just stunned a lot and me and Gangplank raped the bot lane vs Morde/vayne (they must have been baaaad). Also I love her ult for chasing people. I actually killed someone with it who got away but I predicted where she would be around a corner and cast it for the kill :D. But I still play her too much like I play Panth and thats not good. Tank/support seems to be a different mindset and I have not gotten over it as of yet (why I suck with Tanks). | ||
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rethos
Romania103 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:48 Mastermyth wrote: Leona is extremely fun to play with a solid cc/nuking lane partner like Ryze. Also had good results laning with Kog. Lategame I feel a bit useless sometimes, not having a killer ult like Amumu or Galio, nor having solid damage output, I'm mostly just stuck stunning their carry as much as I can. Agreed. I have been having fun with running a loena annie lane. Sadly it is around lvl 17 and i highly doubt that once we hit people that are good it will actually work. The fun part is that once we hit lvl 6 we are for sure to get a kill or two (3 stuns  ) and it looks quite beautiful as different skills fall from the sky on the enemy (enemies if they are stupid enough to get caught in the tibbers stun) stunning them to death. Combo is quite easy: Leona e + q and activate w. Annie then gets there and casts her full combo (r + q + w + ignite) Time leona ulti so it hits as annie stun is about to be over. ------------------------------------------- Dead enemy Edit: hi TL lol subforum. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 10 2011 01:38 Slaughter wrote: Only downside to her is she really has no dmg and if your playing solo and your team continually gimps out on you in team fights you get left out to dry with little ways outside of flash to get out again or kill anyone. I agree, her damage past the laning phase is pretty negligible. But she has so much ability to just disrupt the enemy team (2 stuns, a massive slow, and a root with the ability to close right on their carry) and her passive amplifies the damage your team is doing pretty decently as well as long as you can keep getting your abilities off on targets. That being said, her ability to compliment a gank / enhance harassment in the lane is pretty good. She can do a lot towards shutting down their bottom lane's farm while helping your carry farm up easily. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
I think the fundamental reason why people don't like Leona is she does nothing especially well except be annoying by being in your face all of the time. She kind of needs mana, damage, cooldown reduction, and some survivability. However, her AP ratios are bad, she's not particularly great as an AD, and even if you get cooldown reduction she's more of an annoyance than someone you fear. She has nothing that can have a huge impact on a fight's positioning (think Alistar, Amumu, Signed, etc), although she has a strong followup with her ult if the positioning becomes favorable. She kind of works baby sitting carries, but she has no heal or shield for them. I think buffing her damage a bit would go a long way. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
I can see the complaints about her being bad as a solo laner. there are enough posts here with good reasons for not playing her as a solo laner and I won't add anything to it now. As a support she has great synergy because of 2 reasons: 1. she scales incredibly well with just HP and cdr 2. her passive and her base ability damage, her defense and her disables make her more dangerous than even taric/alistar Look at her this way: she has the defense and disables of ali + the offense from taric but minus the sustain those champions provide. Nr1 rule is to lane her with an aggressive AD carry (or AP carry if your cool and fancy). I've had great success with caitlyn and now also graves (who is possibly too strong). Vayne could work, trist could definitely work too. It is incredible how much she pressures in such a lane. Starting Items shoudl include a couple healpots allways. you can start with 2 wards 4 pots and the manareg thingy for your philostone for example. I run flat defense, magpen and ofc gp10 runes on her. As with every tanky support you start with (aside from pink/green ward spam +oracles): philo, hog, tanky boots but then you just buy 2 ruby cristals. I up them to soulshroud. Seems unusual but it gives you cdr+HP, which is all you need. At this point the game goes towards the end so cdr/hp elixiers are a must. The luxuries that provide the most for her are abyssmal (her passive gets triggered from your allies and their mpen is calculated, not yours) and ofc shureila's and randuin's which both again provide cdr and HP which are the stats you need the most while their actives are not only nice but insanely good on her too. if you manage to max your cdr then your active defense from W is Almost allways up (71% of the time. It's only not up for 2.4s and it's up for 6s if you hit a thing with it). I don't see why you would get frozen heart on her tbh. The mana is wasted, it's an expensive item and your W makes HP much more costeffective. soulshroud+upgraded gp10 items give you that 30 cdr you need and a ton of HP if you have enough gold to dump into sth. | ||
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Mastermyth
Netherlands207 Posts
On October 21 2011 07:46 clickrush wrote:I don't see why you would get frozen heart on her tbh. The mana is wasted, it's an expensive item and your W makes HP much more costeffective. soulshroud+upgraded gp10 items give you that 30 cdr you need and a ton of HP if you have enough gold to dump into sth. I don't feel the mana is wasted at all. Even with philo/shurelia's, Leona tends to have mana issues with the longer engagements and/or has to go back to fountain too often. She completely relies on her abilities to be any effective at all, and because of her supportive nature you want to be assisting in ganks/defense as much as possible. Usually in the midgame I find myself moving from lane to lane to help out, and just having philo/shurelia isn't nearly enough to keep repeating those w e q combos. | ||
xlep
Germany274 Posts
I get the feeling that a patient Leona will benefit some compositions hugely | ||
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HAL9OOO
United States176 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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A Magical Cow
United States9 Posts
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