On April 30 2012 10:58 Kh0rne wrote: I have a bit of a question.
Situation for me is that i'm in a long term relationship (4 years so far) I am no player, but i do enjoy talking to others and flirting occasionally. I dont take numbers & i dont cheat or anything, i just enjoy being social & flirting with attractive people.
how do you deal with the jealousy & how do you approach the possibility of a threesome?
Aight. *cracks knuckles*
First of all, since someone pointed out the opposite on the previous page: In this scenario jealousy is a bad thing. (1) Very bad. You don't want to risk years of relationship for a threesome. You don't want to break rapport, you don't want to put your mutual trust on the line. There are methods for this which rely on slowly burning whatever trust you have to gain control over her feelings, but I'm kinda assuming you wanna keep the girl. =P
Some background. Jealousy is a result of being afraid. When a girl says "Hey, did you just look at her skirt?" she says "Do you find her more attractive than me?". When she says "I don't want you to meet that girl in private" she says "I think she's hotter than me and I don't trust you around her."
From my experience the most important thing in this regard is to live the ideal you want to achieve right in front of her: "Why did you turn your head after that girl? (Don't you find me more attractive?)" - "I'm just looking at some food here, that doesn't mean I'm not going to eat at home. =P"
The general mindset is like this: I could have lots of women. They are all attracted to me, and you know it. However, I specifically chose you and we both know I'm not switching my priorities easily. I love you, I love being in a relationship with you and I'm protecting this relationship as best as I can.
You have to slowly but steadily bring it into her mind that, while you're faithful and in love with her, you're chosing to not have fun with other women. You could do so, and you could do so without risking your relationship because it would be purely physical, but you chose not to because you're aware that your girl would have trouble handling it.
Now, to the question whether she is bi or not you said: "she says no, but checks out women in clubs / watches lesbian porn". Well, newsflash: she is. To expand here I would start talking with her like I'd talk with a male buddy. "Oh, check out that girl over there." - If she starts talking with you about what's hot about her, cool. If she asks any kind of question that goes back to jealousy/trust, back to telling her some part of the above mindsets. "Oh, admit it. It's way cooler to know which girls I find hot; - that means I have nothing to hide."
She also already likes watching lesbian porn? Awesome. As you probably know, if you manage to get a girl thinking about having sex with you, you already have her in your pocket so to speak. Same case here. Get her fantasy rolling. (2) Make sure you have a clear hierarchy. - This is probably the single most important part. So to speak, she's your queen and whoever you're going to have sex with is "some random hot chick you brought home with you". If it comes to fantasies you you know her better than anyone here. Set a sexual frame (watching a porn and making out is as good as it gets =P) and maybe start asking innocent questions about what you're watching. "Do you/don't you think you would like this or that?".
Keep doing that until you can comfortably ask something like "Oh, admit it. You'd love to have a woman in bed sometime." - make sure to point out that she just turned red like a crab and looks like you just caught her thinking about it. =P
Move that stuff forward slowly, don't push it, don't let it create a bad mood between you two. Associate it with light-heartedness, a fun time and, most of all, curiosity. Unless you have some classic PUA alpha-stupidness you throw in (LOL K IF YOU DONT WANNA DO IT I CAN HAS OTHER GIRLS KKKK?) your relationship should be fine.
Now, once you're able to push the entire thing on a fantasy level, the real work starts.
(I'll write more on the "real work" issue later if you think this wallotext sounds as if my stuff might work for you so far. But srsly. The first times where I had to actively try to do the "gaming part" for this were like among the hardest things I did when it comes to pickup. First time overall I had a girl who did the entire work, that shit was so much easier. =S)
(1) Jealousy creates attraction, no doubt. But in the case of a long term relationship like this (I'm kind of assuming he wouldn't ask about threesomes if he'd only have monthly sex with his girl =P), the major issues will be comfort/rapport, not attraction. This sentence is A+ tho: "For your situation in particular, if your girlfriend realizes (perhaps with your help) that she actually gets aroused by watching you turn on other girls, that would probably make the idea of a threesome more appealing to her."
(2) Note that this is how I would handle it again and again for any future relationship of mine. What also worked for me but what I wouldn't do today anymore and also wouldn't recommend, because it doesn't adress any of the psychological issues in a relationship, is plain and simple a strong frame and escalation. Close to the textbook it means isolating your gf and another girl, getting your gf hot, getting the other girl hot, getting those two to make out. Shit works, but I'd recommend that if the girls know each other and neither is emotionally committed to you. In a real relationship that stuff might just trigger regret in your gf and fuck up your relationship and/or future opportunities.
On April 30 2012 12:06 MoonfireSpam wrote: Here's a random one, just out of my own curiosity.
When you find a beautiful lady, but it turns out her personality is a total mismatch for you, do you suck it up deal with it and try and sleep with her or do you just move on?
I only ask this because I've realised that there are certain personality types that I can instantly gel with taking no effort and others that I can get along with, but the effort required is too tiresome to the point I can't be arsed.
Same here. I don't see the point of chasing some girl just to "get her on my record". If I don't find her personality attractive later down the road (and this is mutual a lot of the time) I usually just move on. It was an okay experience to still push through that a few times, but meh. Not worth the effort.
On April 30 2012 14:13 GodOfWar wrote: gonna do a 1on1 bootcamp with Artisan one of the PUA Summit allstar instructors and see if he can get things right for me.
Make sure to tell us how it went. I usually would recommend some of the smaller and local instructors, depending on where you're from. So far I wasn't really impressed with what the "big guys" do different, especially considering they want like 5x the money. =D
On April 30 2012 12:06 MoonfireSpam wrote: Here's a random one, just out of my own curiosity.
When you find a beautiful lady, but it turns out her personality is a total mismatch for you, do you suck it up deal with it and try and sleep with her or do you just move on?
I only ask this because I've realised that there are certain personality types that I can instantly gel with taking no effort and others that I can get along with, but the effort required is too tiresome to the point I can't be arsed.
The only time I have this problem is when she is the kind that will shit-test you a lot. Otherwise I need better examples haha sorry. I'm not great at it, so ignore my info if you find there's better stuff out there, but overall you need to use compliance inducing techniques.
My biggest mistake when I started was trying to just hold my frame when she tried to bust my balls. If you are like me, if she does it enough times, you will eventually break down and you get this DLV snowball effect and you can lose her fast. I'm a pretty easy going person, but women have a knack for finding your weakspots and chipping away at your seams.
What I learned was that its ok to be cocky funny at first, that will work to a certain extent, but some women will take it way too far and you need to punish her for it. Show her that you have other options by implying that you are ready to leave her at any moment, and if she tries to bust your balls all the time, she will lose you.
Now if she crosses the line, I just stand up and walk away, and if she goes "wait, you're leaving?!", I will say something like "While I think you are one of the most interesting people I've met, I also find you one of the most irritating", pretend you are about to walk away and then you changed your mind at the last minute and sit back down and have a good talk with her about it. Imply that if she does it again, you will leave for real.
As for other personality types, I usually try and be the opposite of what she is.
Shy: Be spontaneous and never stop talking, hang around with friends, focus on comfort, try and crack open her shell
Spontaneous: Be calm and in control, laugh at her antics, just go with the [her] flow
Funny: Hold back and laugh at her jokes, compliment her wit. Don't try and be more funny than her.
"Smart": Be interested in whatever she has to say, act "dumb", every revelation she comes up with should be a total surprise to you. Agree with everything she says, while maintaining an "intelligent frame" so to speak. I guess the idea is to keep an open-mind, I found that most "smart" girls are actually very stubborn when it comes to their ideals, so the worst thing is to disagree with something.
"Dumb": Be intelligent, be adventurous with sharing what you think about things. Don't be boring though obviously. "Dumb" girls I find are the easiest to get along with and escalate with, if you have developed enough attraction you basically are totally in control of the situation and its really hard to screw up.
Aggressive: Be more passive, you might even need to be her emotional punching bag, and let her do all the escalating, while giving subtle cues. Unless your frame is at stake, in which case you should use compliance inducing techniques.
The only time this rule doesn't really work. Positive and negative, this is more situational, and you should employ a mix of both to be interesting. Girls base decisions on emotion, and they like strong emotional feelings, whether negative or positive, the basic idea is that you want to take her on an emotional roller-coaster ride. It's the basis for push/pull, cocky & funny, etc.
On April 30 2012 14:13 GodOfWar wrote: daygame is pretty tough, medias dont help either
Police said the girl walked into the Ontario Public Library parking lot. The car followed and parked. The girl told authorities the middle-aged driver called out to her, asked her for help and the time. She ran away
trololololoool...poor dude probably just wanted to get on a date, but authorities teach young women about a mens evil animal instincts tzzzzzz
gonna do a 1on1 bootcamp with Artisan one of the PUA Summit allstar instructors and see if he can get things right for me.
I find day game a lot more fun than night game. Night game I feel like I'm playing chess, day game you don't have to jump through some of the hoops you would need to in night game and you can get to more interesting parts. For example I avoid using direct approaches in clubs, but in day game like checkout chicks its easy to just go "how was your weekend" and off you go.
not bad, pretty decent just normal game during day game.
Cool video. Also is that a melbourne/sydney accent I hear too?
I'm not an expert but IMO the only thing I would change is the number close. I hate the "oh crap I gotta go but hey can I get your number?", usually I'd much rather find a topic of interest that involves a venue. Like hey you like going to XYZ bar? Me too, we should totally hang out there sometime, get number, keep talking about same topic or change topic.
The opening reeks of "I'm totally hitting on you", and I kinda feel that that only worked because Artisan was actually quite attractive, and universally I don't think that would go down so well. I guess though part of pick up is making yourself look good. And hey you gotta employ what works best for you, just as a pickup example I'm not so sure.
I just randomly came across this vod while I was typing this, and even though I don't always believe advice from girls is the best, they are a good source of info when it comes to "turn offs". I feel this hits the message home quite well.
Should start at 4mins 10secs
It was mostly also all small chat and cookie-cutter bitch-shield breakers like "how many guys have you hit on today?". Which is great, but in terms of skill, I feel like there's nothing to see here except just an attractive guy doing what attractive guys are capable of doing. I dunno, maybe that's what it's supposed to be, as a tutorial.
This is the kind of stuff I did when I first started pickup, but these days I try to get to points of interest faster, and come up with more interesting things to say or bigger use of open ended statements. I dunno it just felt really unnatural I guess.
Like if its shopping, (actually happened to me one time) "oh man I'm so shattered, today I went out to buy 2kgs of bacon and there was only 1 kg left, damn!". And she goes "oh haha, that's a lot, what are you planning on making?", "Oh nah I'm just trying to get fat", *she laughs, "nah I'm making a <insert interesting cuisine here> its got like X, Y and Z and all this stuff", "you watch master chef right?!".
Again I'm not an expert, but that's what I would do if it it was a highlight reel, and I'm not trying to take away anything from Artisan, its just that this is the PUA forum and I felt like giving my own input, opinions welcome.
On April 30 2012 12:06 MoonfireSpam wrote: Here's a random one, just out of my own curiosity.
When you find a beautiful lady, but it turns out her personality is a total mismatch for you, do you suck it up deal with it and try and sleep with her or do you just move on?
I only ask this because I've realised that there are certain personality types that I can instantly gel with taking no effort and others that I can get along with, but the effort required is too tiresome to the point I can't be arsed.
Depends on your skill level. If you are advanced and you already have 20+ lays (just throwing out a number), then its not a big deal that you are screening and perhaps you don't have time to follow up with every girl and you chose to spend the time on the girls you actually really like.
But if you are a god damn 40 year old virgin and your goal is to end up with HB10's (if thats your goal), then you better follow up with every damn girl you can and lay everyone when the opportunity comes. You better be lowering your ego and standards. Now I know people are going to bitch at me for saying this. But if you are a god damn virgin or really close to it, its not like these opportunities come by every other day. If you aren't getting practice of HB5's that are coming by every once a year (if you get lucky) what makes you think you will rack up enough lay count to be comfortable with an HB10? Even if you do end up magically having an HB10 in your bedroom, without the experience of lays with HB5s - HB7s, you will just end up shitting your pants.
For me, the decision to pursue is based on 4 factors.
1. How hot she is 2. How much I like her 3. How easy she is 4. Distance / logistics
If shes really hot, easy, and she lives next door, hell yeah, I am going to go for her. If shes hot but her personality sucks, and shes not really that into me, and she lives 200 mile away.... probably not going to pursue that. It all just depends.
On April 30 2012 14:29 r.Evo wrote: First of all, since someone pointed out the opposite on the previous page: In this scenario jealousy is a bad thing. (1) Very bad. You don't want to risk years of relationship for a threesome. You don't want to break rapport, you don't want to put your mutual trust on the line.
Yes, too much jealousy can be a bad thing as it can lead to the promotion of erratic behavior (e.g. the psycho jealous chick stereotype), but in general, jealousy is one of the key sustainers of attraction in a relationship. When a girl no longer fears losing you because she has you wrapped around her finger, then she will be incentivized to treat you badly. Jealousy and fear, in proper amounts, will keep her striving to please you.
On April 30 2012 14:29 r.Evo wrote: The general mindset is like this: I could have lots of women. They are all attracted to me, and you know it. However, I specifically chose you and we both know I'm not switching my priorities easily. I love you, I love being in a relationship with you and I'm protecting this relationship as best as I can.
I much prefer the following frame: "I've had many girls and I still do. If I want to sleep with anyone else, then I will; however, I prefer for you to mostly sleep with you because you (for the moment, at least) make me happier than the others in my harem. if you have a problem with that, then the door is over there; girls are so abundant in my life that any sadness over losing you will be cushioned by a plethora of soft pillowy bosoms."
On April 30 2012 14:29 r.Evo wrote:(1) Jealousy creates attraction, no doubt. But in the case of a long term relationship like this (I'm kind of assuming he wouldn't ask about threesomes if he'd only have monthly sex with his girl =P), the major issues will be comfort/rapport, not attraction. This sentence is A+ tho: "For your situation in particular, if your girlfriend realizes (perhaps with your help) that she actually gets aroused by watching you turn on other girls, that would probably make the idea of a threesome more appealing to her."
What I got out of Kh0rne's posts was that she currently feels jealous while still being attracted to him (or else, kinky sex as well as the threesome desires you mention would not be present). However, I would posit that if he ends up quelling her jealousy, then she will end up losing some of the attraction she has for him. Comfort and rapport are indeed important, but so is maintaining attraction.
On April 30 2012 14:29 r.Evo wrote: First of all, since someone pointed out the opposite on the previous page: In this scenario jealousy is a bad thing. (1) Very bad. You don't want to risk years of relationship for a threesome. You don't want to break rapport, you don't want to put your mutual trust on the line.
Yes, too much jealousy can be a bad thing as it can lead to the promotion of erratic behavior (e.g. the psycho jealous chick stereotype), but in general, jealousy is one of the key sustainers of attraction in a relationship. When a girl no longer fears losing you because she has you wrapped around her finger, then she will be incentivized to treat you badly. Jealousy and fear, in proper amounts, will keep her striving to please you.
On April 30 2012 14:29 r.Evo wrote: The general mindset is like this: I could have lots of women. They are all attracted to me, and you know it. However, I specifically chose you and we both know I'm not switching my priorities easily. I love you, I love being in a relationship with you and I'm protecting this relationship as best as I can.
I much prefer the following frame: "I've had many girls and I still do. If I want to sleep with anyone else, then I will; however, I prefer for you to mostly sleep with you because you (for the moment, at least) make me happier than the others in my harem. if you have a problem with that, then the door is over there; girls are so abundant in my life that any sadness over losing you will be cushioned by a plethora of soft pillowy bosoms."
On April 30 2012 14:29 r.Evo wrote:(1) Jealousy creates attraction, no doubt. But in the case of a long term relationship like this (I'm kind of assuming he wouldn't ask about threesomes if he'd only have monthly sex with his girl =P), the major issues will be comfort/rapport, not attraction. This sentence is A+ tho: "For your situation in particular, if your girlfriend realizes (perhaps with your help) that she actually gets aroused by watching you turn on other girls, that would probably make the idea of a threesome more appealing to her."
What I got out of Kh0rne's posts was that she currently feels jealous while still being attracted to him (or else, kinky sex as well as the threesome desires you mention would not be present). However, I would posit that if he ends up quelling her jealousy, then she will end up losing some of the attraction she has for him. Comfort and rapport are indeed important, but so is maintaining attraction.
Jealousy can create attraction but its not the only form. Sometimes it can even create a lot of problems for you once you are in a relationship, unless you have really good selective hearing, it can make her really annoying and possibly develop this unmanageable void between you, and it gets hard to escalate without answering really difficult questions like "do you love me? no you don't! tell me the truth!". I think its only good for pre-comfort phase, because its a catalyst for getting her to invest into you, as she wonders what makes you so special.
I just think that jealousy is going to prevent him from getting into a 3some rather than the other way around, if she's jealous, how on earth is she going to be comfortable with you having sex with another girl?
The way a lot of naturals create attraction is that they start with comfort and use comfort-phase attraction techniques (something that isn't documented very well because of the unstructured nature of it), like charm and wit, jealousy might get their foot in the door, but that ceases to have much effect once they work on the phase they know best which is comfort.
On May 01 2012 09:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: Jealousy can create attraction but its not the only form. Sometimes it can even create a lot of problems for you once you are in a relationship, unless you have really good selective hearing, it can make her really annoying and possibly develop this unmanageable void between you, and it gets hard to escalate without answering really difficult questions like "do you love me? no you don't! tell me the truth!". I think its only good for pre-comfort phase, because its a catalyst for getting her to invest into you, as she wonders what makes you so special.
I don't actually disagree too strongly with any of this, because jealousy can indeed become a problem if it goes too far. However, it can be very beneficial in some forms, both for pre-comfort and for gaming your established significant other. As for Kh0rne specifically, it does appear that any jealousy his girlfriend already experiences doesn't appear to harm their relationship; in fact, I'd argue that it's at least part of the reason they have a good sex life despite her shyness.
On May 01 2012 09:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: I just think that jealousy is going to prevent him from getting into a 3some rather than the other way around, if she's jealous, how on earth is she going to be comfortable with you having sex with another girl?
If she believes that he might have (or already has had) sex with other girls anyway (without leaving her), then one of the primary barriers to a MFF threesome (her desire to remain the sole lover) is bypassed. Additionally, the fear of losing him would encourage her to work harder to please him, which includes pleasing him sexually in the form of threesomes. The point I'm making is that trying to assuage her jealousy is the beta/unsuccessful route to a threesome; the emphasis should instead be on increasing her interest/incentive to pursue one.
On May 01 2012 09:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: The way a lot of naturals create attraction is that they start with comfort and use comfort-phase attraction techniques (something that isn't documented very well because of the unstructured nature of it), like charm and wit, jealousy might get their foot in the door, but that ceases to have much effect once they work on the phase they know best which is comfort.
Naturals operate in a wide variety of ways, precisely because their development is unstructured (the same way that naturally good Starcraft players are much more varied than "standard" players who learn from TL). So while some naturals operate the way you've described, there's also many natural alphas who benefit from sexual jealousy in their relationships. Naturals with harems are the obvious examples, but naturals who are simply very flirtatious even when in relationships also come to mind.
On May 01 2012 09:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: Jealousy can create attraction but its not the only form. Sometimes it can even create a lot of problems for you once you are in a relationship, unless you have really good selective hearing, it can make her really annoying and possibly develop this unmanageable void between you, and it gets hard to escalate without answering really difficult questions like "do you love me? no you don't! tell me the truth!". I think its only good for pre-comfort phase, because its a catalyst for getting her to invest into you, as she wonders what makes you so special.
I don't actually disagree too strongly with any of this, because jealousy can indeed become a problem if it goes too far. However, it can be very beneficial in some forms, both for pre-comfort and for gaming your established significant other. As for Kh0rne specifically, it does appear that any jealousy his girlfriend already experiences doesn't appear to harm their relationship; in fact, I'd argue that it's at least part of the reason they have a good sex life despite her shyness.
On May 01 2012 09:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: I just think that jealousy is going to prevent him from getting into a 3some rather than the other way around, if she's jealous, how on earth is she going to be comfortable with you having sex with another girl?
If she believes that he might have (or already has had) sex with other girls anyway (without leaving her), then one of the primary barriers to a MFF threesome (her desire to remain the sole lover) is bypassed. Additionally, the fear of losing him would encourage her to work harder to please him, which includes pleasing him sexually in the form of threesomes. The point I'm making is that trying to assuage her jealousy is the beta/unsuccessful route to a threesome; the emphasis should instead be on increasing her interest/incentive to pursue one.
On May 01 2012 09:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: The way a lot of naturals create attraction is that they start with comfort and use comfort-phase attraction techniques (something that isn't documented very well because of the unstructured nature of it), like charm and wit, jealousy might get their foot in the door, but that ceases to have much effect once they work on the phase they know best which is comfort.
Naturals operate in a wide variety of ways, precisely because their development is unstructured (the same way that naturally good Starcraft players are much more varied than "standard" players who learn from TL). So while some naturals operate the way you've described, there's also many natural alphas who benefit from sexual jealousy in their relationships. Naturals with harems are the obvious examples, but naturals who are simply very flirtatious even when in relationships also come to mind.
Some nice input, glad to hear from someone who sees things at a different angle.
not bad, pretty decent just normal game during day game.
That was pretty painful to watch, just the amount of crap about the girl he had to pretend to be interested in about her, but I guess at the end of the day it's like work. You don't want to do it, but you have to do your job in order to get paid. Likewise you don't want to smalltalk about superficial things, but you have to do it to get laid.
not bad, pretty decent just normal game during day game.
That was pretty painful to watch, just the amount of crap about the girl he had to pretend to be interested in about her, but I guess at the end of the day it's like work. You don't want to do it, but you have to do your job in order to get paid. Likewise you don't want to smalltalk about superficial things, but you have to do it to get laid.
Isn't that like everything in life? To work out and get buff, you are constantly sore and you eat a lot of food that doesn't taste great. To get an education, you don't get to play video games and some of the homework is boring as fuck.
Well no shit, there are sacrifices to be made in pickup. Particularly time and effort in making the most out of it. What.... did you think in learning pickup that some God is going to bless every set that you talk .... to be HB10's all waiting to jump on y our cock? NO! That's part of pickup, you don't know about a girl and you cold approach to figure out more about her. Its not like there are hot girls left and right in the supermarket so you make the most out of it. Its called PRACTICE.
If you don't like it don't watch it. Not every woman you talk to is like the Dos Equis guy. A lot of them are boring. Thats life. Cuz I sure as hell don't know many girls funnier and wittier than me.
Just wondering, I'm assuming a HB10 is the smokingiest hottest chick ever, but what does the "HB" stand for? (I can think of quite nice things to quite vulgar) :p
Otherwise generally agree I do get a bit sad / annoyed inside when someone hot turns out to have a toliet for a personality, dunno whats happened to me but feels like it bothers me more than it did before! Maybe its just from hanging out less in clubs / loud pubs where conversation is not as big a deal.
I bet my car that I can be a better "PUA" with zero training and just being myself and using what I normally do than the best living PUA trainer on this entire planet. Best part; I get a girl that I'm actually compatible with and have a mutual rapport with. He gets an equally attractive girl who is as dumb as he is, that is, IF this whole PUA stuff isn't just bogus crap.
On May 02 2012 01:45 MoonfireSpam wrote: Just wondering, I'm assuming a HB10 is the smokingiest hottest chick ever, but what does the "HB" stand for? (I can think of quite nice things to quite vulgar) :p
Otherwise generally agree I do get a bit sad / annoyed inside when someone hot turns out to have a toliet for a personality, dunno whats happened to me but feels like it bothers me more than it did before! Maybe its just from hanging out less in clubs / loud pubs where conversation is not as big a deal.
PS Those guys like the one in that video are terrible. Take it from me, that crap NEVER works. Go up to the both of them and just look straight in the guys eye and be like "bud, you're trying a little bit too hard". Embarrassing. Apologize to girl, do not give or ask for number, and leave.
On May 02 2012 01:48 LF9 wrote: I bet my car that I can be a better "PUA" with zero training and just being myself and using what I normally do than the best living PUA trainer on this entire planet. Best part; I get a girl that I'm actually compatible with and have a mutual rapport with. He gets an equally attractive girl who is as dumb as he is, that is, IF this whole PUA stuff isn't just bogus crap.
Your post makes no sense. If he can get a pretty girl with no personality, he has the skills to get a pretty girl WITH personality. It’s a hell of a lot easier to talk to a girl who can talk back with you. Why? Because shes adding to the conversation and giving you opportunities to thread cut into multiple topics.
You apparently don't understand skill / capability vs. sampling frequency. Most girls out there are boring. Lets say only 10% of all girls on the planet are interesting. If you know 100 girls, then you know 10 interesting ones. If the PUA talkes to 10000 girls, he will have met 1000 interesting ones. Now while he has talked to 9000 dumb girl just because of statistics, he still knows a hell of a lot more intersting ones than you.
On May 02 2012 01:48 LF9 wrote: I bet my car that I can be a better "PUA" with zero training and just being myself and using what I normally do than the best living PUA trainer on this entire planet. Best part; I get a girl that I'm actually compatible with and have a mutual rapport with. He gets an equally attractive girl who is as dumb as he is, that is, IF this whole PUA stuff isn't just bogus crap.
not bad, pretty decent just normal game during day game.
That was pretty painful to watch, just the amount of crap about the girl he had to pretend to be interested in about her, but I guess at the end of the day it's like work. You don't want to do it, but you have to do your job in order to get paid. Likewise you don't want to smalltalk about superficial things, but you have to do it to get laid.
Isn't that like everything in life? To work out and get buff, you are constantly sore and you eat a lot of food that doesn't taste great. To get an education, you don't get to play video games and some of the homework is boring as fuck.
Well no shit, there are sacrifices to be made in pickup. Particularly time and effort in making the most out of it. What.... did you think in learning pickup that some God is going to bless every set that you talk .... to be HB10's all waiting to jump on y our cock? NO! That's part of pickup, you don't know about a girl and you cold approach to figure out more about her. Its not like there are hot girls left and right in the supermarket so you make the most out of it. Its called PRACTICE.
If you don't like it don't watch it. Not every woman you talk to is like the Dos Equis guy. A lot of them are boring. Thats life. Cuz I sure as hell don't know many girls funnier and wittier than me.
Chill the fuck out, damn you get defensive easily. Some of the most interesting people I've known are females. When you make huge generalisations like you just did in your post all you're doing is acting like you see people like robots and that they're target practice for your own needs. That's not going to get you very far in a relationship.
not bad, pretty decent just normal game during day game.
That was pretty painful to watch, just the amount of crap about the girl he had to pretend to be interested in about her, but I guess at the end of the day it's like work. You don't want to do it, but you have to do your job in order to get paid. Likewise you don't want to smalltalk about superficial things, but you have to do it to get laid.
Isn't that like everything in life? To work out and get buff, you are constantly sore and you eat a lot of food that doesn't taste great. To get an education, you don't get to play video games and some of the homework is boring as fuck.
Well no shit, there are sacrifices to be made in pickup. Particularly time and effort in making the most out of it. What.... did you think in learning pickup that some God is going to bless every set that you talk .... to be HB10's all waiting to jump on y our cock? NO! That's part of pickup, you don't know about a girl and you cold approach to figure out more about her. Its not like there are hot girls left and right in the supermarket so you make the most out of it. Its called PRACTICE.
If you don't like it don't watch it. Not every woman you talk to is like the Dos Equis guy. A lot of them are boring. Thats life. Cuz I sure as hell don't know many girls funnier and wittier than me.
Chill the fuck out, damn you get defensive easily. Some of the most interesting people I've known are females. When you make huge generalisations like you just did in your post all you're doing is acting like you see people like robots and that they're target practice for your own needs. That's not going to get you very far in a relationship.
My first relationship was 7 years long. I could write a book better than Dr Phil.
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