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On March 23 2011 10:51 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:46 alurlol wrote:
It's inevitable, common logic would dictate this eventually, with the religious minority growing smaller and smaller each passing year, in the Western world anyway. The day religion is completely gone the better, hopefully sooner rather than later, the people 500 years on from us will look back and wonder why the hell it didn't happen sooner.
I mean, I honestly cannot understand what is going on in the minds of grown adults who blindly shun science in favour of some crazy fictional literature, hell Jack and the Beanstalk is more believable that half the shit that is written in that book, snake-staff? Give me a break. I won't even start going in to all of the fucked up issues religion has caused, there's far to many to talk about here. What do you think about the people who follows science blindly, like say - the doctors in the KZ camps? Sure they are few and far between, but so are the nutcases who blindly follows religion... Science alone isn't the answer - science leaves humanity behind, it's the MIX of morals and science that will make society progress, and religion is more or less just a moral codex.
Yes but a moral codex that is out-dated, and is unable to change due to peoples belief that there is some magical being that handed it down to them.
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On March 23 2011 10:48 adeezy wrote:
It's no surprise that I find that posts in this thread are highly disrespectful to those who actually do believe in religion. There's no way this thread is gonna bode well considering the history of TL religion discussion threads.
To my memory, there's only 1 religious discussion on TL that hasn't been closed due to a flame war. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=198525
And by the looks of this thread, it will remain the sole survivor. 
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On March 23 2011 10:53 rei wrote:
Bad science, making a clam ignoring population size, The 2 highest populated country in this planet India and China weights 10 tons more than Vietnam and Japan if they are trying to make the claim of extinction of religion. This is an example of a research that looks for an pre-determined result, miss representing and miss leading with their data in order to feature the result they wanted.
the research was about percentage of the population not the amount
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On March 23 2011 10:51 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:46 alurlol wrote:
It's inevitable, common logic would dictate this eventually, with the religious minority growing smaller and smaller each passing year, in the Western world anyway. The day religion is completely gone the better, hopefully sooner rather than later, the people 500 years on from us will look back and wonder why the hell it didn't happen sooner.
I mean, I honestly cannot understand what is going on in the minds of grown adults who blindly shun science in favour of some crazy fictional literature, hell Jack and the Beanstalk is more believable that half the shit that is written in that book, snake-staff? Give me a break. I won't even start going in to all of the fucked up issues religion has caused, there's far to many to talk about here. What do you think about the people who follows science blindly, like say - the doctors in the KZ camps? Sure they are few and far between, but so are the nutcases who blindly follows religion... Science alone isn't the answer - science leaves humanity behind, it's the MIX of morals and science that will make society progress, and religion is more or less just a moral codex.
It's not just religion vs science. Look at Eastern cultures if you want an example of a moral system without religion.
Humanity creates its own values. Nothing is written in the stars.
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On March 23 2011 10:51 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:46 alurlol wrote:
It's inevitable, common logic would dictate this eventually, with the religious minority growing smaller and smaller each passing year, in the Western world anyway. The day religion is completely gone the better, hopefully sooner rather than later, the people 500 years on from us will look back and wonder why the hell it didn't happen sooner.
I mean, I honestly cannot understand what is going on in the minds of grown adults who blindly shun science in favour of some crazy fictional literature, hell Jack and the Beanstalk is more believable that half the shit that is written in that book, snake-staff? Give me a break. I won't even start going in to all of the fucked up issues religion has caused, there's far to many to talk about here. What do you think about the people who follows science blindly, like say - the doctors in the KZ camps? Sure they are few and far between, but so are the nutcases who blindly follows religion... Science alone isn't the answer - science leaves humanity behind, it's the MIX of morals and science that will make society progress, and religion is more or less just a moral codex.
I'm going to agree with what stalefish said. Science are religion aren't the only two options here.
What about science and philosophy? I'll take modern philosophical morals any day over religious ones.
There's an interesting book by Sam Harris called The Moral Landscape that attempts to argue that morals can even be scientifically understood, if morality is re-defined in terms of human suffering. I'm not sure I completely agree with him, but my point is that religion is far from the only source of morality.
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On March 23 2011 10:54 dudeman001 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:48 adeezy wrote:
It's no surprise that I find that posts in this thread are highly disrespectful to those who actually do believe in religion. There's no way this thread is gonna bode well considering the history of TL religion discussion threads. To my memory, there's only 1 religious discussion on TL that hasn't been closed due to a flame war. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=198525And by the looks of this thread, it will remain the sole survivor.
All we need now is one zealot to post here, and the thread will explode.
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I'm assuming Christianity is a religion according to this thread.
For religion to completely die out, the gospel would have to be false.
Religion, therefore, will never die.
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On March 23 2011 10:58 danl9rm wrote:
I'm assuming Christianity is a religion according to this thread.
For religion to completely die out, the gospel would have to be false.
Religion, therefore, will never die.
You're assuming that the gospel story is true.
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On March 23 2011 10:48 Igakusei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:38 whiteguycash wrote:How quaint, an Atheist support group. On March 23 2011 10:38 Consolidate wrote:On March 23 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
As some one who has been a christian for his entire life, you eventually are going to have to start killing people before you make religion extinct. Whether that is sad to hear or not, it's the truth. You aren't going to be around forever. Religions are just advanced cults. It would be very difficult to eradicated cultist tendencies and behaviors. The best we can do is relegate Christianity to the same category as something like Scientology. Really, with that mindset, why wait at all? I mean, I would assume that you are a naturalist, and doesn't naturalist thinking promote evolutionary standards, up to and including the mind and society? Why wait, when your own school of though encourages eradication of different beliefs? [. . .]Just because we evolved through natural selection doesn't mean that we should continue to use "survival of the fittest" as an excuse to murder or otherwise eradicate our weaker cousins.[. . .]
That might be right for you, but thats not right for me. Since we have nothing transcendental past ourselves, our own morals and decisions are relative. For someone championing naturalism, you really need to learn to follow the thoughts and worldviews developed into their logical conclusion.
Or I guess you don't. Its all relative anyways.
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On March 23 2011 10:51 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:46 alurlol wrote:
It's inevitable, common logic would dictate this eventually, with the religious minority growing smaller and smaller each passing year, in the Western world anyway. The day religion is completely gone the better, hopefully sooner rather than later, the people 500 years on from us will look back and wonder why the hell it didn't happen sooner.
I mean, I honestly cannot understand what is going on in the minds of grown adults who blindly shun science in favour of some crazy fictional literature, hell Jack and the Beanstalk is more believable that half the shit that is written in that book, snake-staff? Give me a break. I won't even start going in to all of the fucked up issues religion has caused, there's far to many to talk about here. What do you think about the people who follows science blindly, like say - the doctors in the KZ camps? Sure they are few and far between, but so are the nutcases who blindly follows religion... Science alone isn't the answer - science leaves humanity behind, it's the MIX of morals and science that will make society progress, and religion is more or less just a moral codex.
I'm pretty sure the scientists within the CC's were not there on their own merit, Hitler had his own agenda with the CC's and I'm pretty damn sure scientific progress was not on the top of his list, rather it was more religion fueled if I'm not mistaken.
Science does not leave humanity behind, I can't even fathom how you think that is true or makes any sense for that matter, science is the thing that's pushed humanity forward all these years and will continue to do so. Religion is one of the major reasons why scientific/medical progress has been slowed so significantly, see: stem cell research.
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interesting study, although you have to take into account the sample.
it does not take into account the explosive growth in Africa and Asia (China in particular) and the fact that Africa is set to overtake the US and Europe as nations with the most Christians in it.
http://vimeo.com/8357071
the video is meant for christians, but its good to watch anyways. fyi urbana is an annual global missions conference gathering over 20,000 university Christians in St. Louis, Missouri from all over the world to see God's vision for the nations.
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This is a slippery slope. You take out religion and next thing you know: gay rights, cures for life-threatening ailment through stem cell research, fewer genocides, less war and terrorism. The human race is going to be so boring afterward :/
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On March 23 2011 10:58 danl9rm wrote:
I'm assuming Christianity is a religion according to this thread.
For religion to completely die out, the gospel would have to be false.
Religion, therefore, will never die.
I agree with Statement 1.
I agree with Statement 2.
I think 3 is a non-sequitur, because... well, the onus is on you to prove the gospel to be true. lol.
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On March 23 2011 10:58 danl9rm wrote:
I'm assuming Christianity is a religion according to this thread.
For religion to completely die out, the gospel would have to be false.
Religion, therefore, will never die.
You cant really say that. I mean, there are many small religions. Everyone, and obviously this includes you, THINKS their religion is right? Is any one religion right? Maybe, is it yours? maybe. Can you prove it? no.
EVERYONE in the world who has a religious belief thinks their gospel is correct, not false, better than everyone else. And we will all kill over who is right and wrong. Its silly to make a blind statement such as this.
There have been plenty of religions that die out because the believers population was killed off completely, not because they all suddenly went oh hey you know what, now i realize this doesnt make sense. Although sometimes i wish people would do that.
Also i dont trust the report as-well, for reasons already stated. There is just too many people who believe or dont believe, and too many people who believe different things. Population comes into play with the percentage its just not precise enough to make any bold statements.
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On March 23 2011 10:59 Igakusei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:58 danl9rm wrote:
I'm assuming Christianity is a religion according to this thread.
For religion to completely die out, the gospel would have to be false.
Religion, therefore, will never die. You're assuming that the gospel story is true.
i think he means that as many christians say you cant proof he does not exist!
and that is actually true and to disprove the gospel story you need evidence and there is none
and the religious defense is because its in the bible and or koran depending on the religion and that is enough evidence. never ending story
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On March 23 2011 10:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:43 Teivospy wrote:
You're also ignorant (and probably 12) if you think religion doesn't do a lot of good to balance out the bad that it does I'm not 12 and I generally don't consider myself ignorant, but could you name a single good thing that religion has done for humanity that couldn't be (or hasn't already been) accomplished by secular means? Morality? No. Happiness? No. Charity? No. Knowledge? No. Technology? No. Medicine? No. Honestly, I don't see a function for religion, other than to act as a defense mechanism (a crutch) for those who need its irrationality. And there exist many other (healthier) alternatives than what religion offers. Feel free to PM me (anyone) if you'd like to delve in to this more though, as I'm sure we don't want to start a flame war! 
Standards of morality around the world are deeply ingrained on different religious beliefs. Things have been evolving out of it at varying paces, depending on the region, but they will never be completely separated.
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On March 23 2011 10:44 Ghostcom wrote:Agnostics aren't non-believers.
They aren't necessarily nonbelievers, but most people who identify themselves as agnostics are.
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On March 23 2011 11:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:58 danl9rm wrote:
I'm assuming Christianity is a religion according to this thread.
For religion to completely die out, the gospel would have to be false.
Religion, therefore, will never die. I agree with Statement 1. I agree with Statement 2. I think 3 is a non-sequitur, because... well, the onus is on you to prove the gospel to be true. lol.
Actually you would have to disprove something to make it false. If something is a commonly held belief then it is considered to be true, when people thought the Earth was the center of the universe... It was a common belief, and had to be disproved.
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On March 23 2011 10:54 Warf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 10:53 rei wrote:
Bad science, making a clam ignoring population size, The 2 highest populated country in this planet India and China weights 10 tons more than Vietnam and Japan if they are trying to make the claim of extinction of religion. This is an example of a research that looks for an pre-determined result, miss representing and miss leading with their data in order to feature the result they wanted. the research was about percentage of the population not the amount
% of small population positively suggest the result is religion extinction.
% of a large population negative suggest the result is religion extinction.
Ignores large population's negative correlation, and make a claim based on the % in the small population that positively supported their claim.
Fail at science.
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On March 23 2011 11:01 hejakev wrote:
This is a slippery slope. You take out religion and next thing you know: gay rights, cures for life-threatening ailment through stem cell research, fewer genocides, less war and terrorism. The human race is going to be so boring afterward :/
When you try to take out religion, you'll be the victim of terrorism, war and genocide.
If religion dies, moral code dies with it. After all, why should we forgive if Jesus was wrong?
Of course, only in utopia/dystopia will religion completely die. In other words it will never happen.
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