EPTExtinction of Religion - Page 2
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
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Warf
Netherlands71 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:35 Consolidate wrote: I'm liking the trend. The study is just based on a mathematical trend though. As for real world factors, the Catholic Church's curious habit of molesting children has left a lot of Europeans disillusioned with Catholicism. Eh, but here's hoping that increased standards of living and universal education will eradicate religion eventually. in the year 1950 almost 90% of people from the netherlands were catholic (or protestant-catholic) at the beginning of the 2000's only 10% were catholic so it has nothing to do with the child molesting. | ||
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote: As some one who has been a christian for his entire life, you eventually are going to have to start killing people before you make religion extinct. Whether that is sad to hear or not, it's the truth. You aren't going to be around forever. Religions are just advanced cults. It would be very difficult to eradicated cultist tendencies and behaviors. The best we can do is relegate Christianity to the same category as something like Scientology. | ||
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whiteguycash
United States476 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:38 Consolidate wrote: You aren't going to be around forever. Religions are just advanced cults. It would be very difficult to eradicated cultist tendencies and behaviors. The best we can do is relegate Christianity to the same category as something like Scientology. Really, with that mindset, why wait at all? I mean, I would assume that you are a naturalist, and doesn't naturalist thinking promote evolutionary standards, up to and including the mind and society? Why wait, when your own school of though encourages eradication of different beliefs? | ||
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deesee
Australia54 Posts
That said, to call religion "a scourge" in a blanket statement is quite possibly as ignorant as whatever fundamentalist extremism ticked you off in the first place. I don't think the world needs religion. Religion is NOT required for a working, ordered and moral society. You can't tell the difference between the faithful and the atheist until you ask. | ||
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Fasterfood
Canada166 Posts
So right off the bat we know this study is wack. Most religious people I know aren't religious for the social status. They admit that the model is bad, but if it were correct it would suggest "where things are going". Sensationalist reporting wins page hits yet again. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45167 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:34 Warf wrote: i got the list from this study from highest percentage of non believers in god(s) to lowest + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/byAG0.jpg) That's definitely outdated (or just plain wrong), because there are far more than 3% non-theists in America. Here's a source from 2009 that says between 9 and 11%: http://www.iheu.org/secularism-usa There are many others that show around that number too. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:38 Warf wrote: in the year 1950 almost 90% of people from the netherlands were catholic (or protestant-catholic) at the beginning of the 2000's only 10% were catholic so it has nothing to do with the child molesting. Nail in the coffin, or icing on the cake I guess. I had Ireland in mind. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:36 shinosai wrote: Religion will never go extinct. Even if by some miracle people all over the world suddenly had an epiphany about atheism, there would still be those people who have been religious all their life, or use it as a safety net to make them feel good. As long as such people can breed, their children will likely follow. So, yea, unless you plan on killing a lot of people... Well, here's the thing; the older generations (Let's say 60+) generally went to church, and believed in god (in canada). But, their children, while they went to church, generally stopped once they became old enough to do what they wanted. The amount of people who attend churches in the 30-40 age bracket is considerably lower than the 60+ population. And, the people who are the children of that age group have no affinity towards religion whatsoever. I would actually have a hard time finding someone in my town, in the age bracket of 15-29 that actually cares about religion. Just because the older generation believes in it, doesn't cause the progeny to believe it as their ancestors did. And while I have no solid statistics on this, I've been all over canada in my life, and that's my general experience. There are outlyers (I have met devout christians who were young), but on the whole, it's definately a lower percentage than before. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
"It posits that social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join, and it posits that social groups have a social status or utility. "For example in languages, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of [the dying language] Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not." Too bad religion doesn't work the same way. You only need a few adherents to keep a religion alive (or have "utility) whereas you need an entire society using a certain language to keep its "utility." Pretty flawed study, and I doubt religion is going anywhere (at least for the long run). As a side note, as an atheist/agnostic I really don't have any qualms with religion. Non-belief isn't superior to belief nor vice versa so long as a person is generally educated at the same time. It's not the belief that corrupts people, but the underlying educational defect in the individual that causes societal problems. Religion has nothing to do with the problems of society so no need to flame about that. It just happens to be that the more educated populous tends to forgoe religion while the less rely upon it. And this problem is pervasive with atheists as well who argue against an existence of "God." Some of the shit that comes out of their mouth is almost as ignorant as extreme religious nuts. Again, religion has nothing to do with intelligence imo. They are two distinct ideas that can coexist without problem. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:41 goiflin wrote: Well, here's the thing; the older generations (Let's say 60+) generally went to church, and believed in god (in canada). But, their children, while they went to church, generally stopped once they became old enough to do what they wanted. The amount of people who attend churches in the 30-40 age bracket is considerably lower than the 60+ population. And, the people who are the children of that age group have no affinity towards religion whatsoever. I would actually have a hard time finding someone in my town, in the age bracket of 15-29 that actually cares about religion. Just because the older generation believes in it, doesn't cause the progeny to believe it as their ancestors did. Why do the Amish still exist? | ||
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Warf
Netherlands71 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That's definitely outdated (or just plain wrong), because there are far more than 3% non-theists in America. Here's a source from 2009 that says between 9 and 11%: http://www.iheu.org/secularism-usa There are many others that show around that number too. the list i linked was from the beginning off 2010 but most research are mostly done under 10,000-100,000 so all results would be different example if you researched Catholicism in western USA you would maybe get 5% and in eastern USA you might get 10% atheists, its not like they ask all people in every country just a small sample | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
all that said i'm agnostic with a bachelors in molecular biology&biochem. I think religion and atheism are annoying concepts and I could never see myself believing in either (atheism being the worse of the two FYI) | ||
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Disciple7
United States198 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:34 Warf wrote: i got the list from this study from highest percentage of non believers in god(s) to lowest + Show Spoiler + Agnostics aren't non-believers. And no, the disapperance of religion isn't exclusively a good thing. There is a reason why it has been a major part of every society all over the world. I don't think religion will ever completely disappear; I've met my fair share of non-believers who when falling terminally ill (I've spent 6 months on an heamatology department - leukemia is a cruel thing) find some consolation in religion. Sure, society would probably be best off with a complete seperation of religion, but I think that part of the increased incidens of depressions and stress can be contributed to the void the lack of religion leaves. | ||
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hugedong
United States510 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:34 Warf wrote: i got the list from this study from highest percentage of non believers in god(s) to lowest + Show Spoiler + Anything with north korea in it is full of shit. User was warned for this post | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On any notable level? They don't exist in canada. I don't know. You tell me, since the country in which they exist is not cited as being one of the countries at risk of having religion become extinct. Maybe it has something to do with their social structure? Christians =! Amish. I doubt the report actually thinks that religion will become extinct, it might just end up like the amish though. Few and far between. Ninja edit; realized you weren't necessarily american. | ||
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alurlol
England197 Posts
I mean, I honestly cannot understand what is going on in the minds of grown adults who blindly shun science in favour of some crazy fictional literature, hell Jack and the Beanstalk is more believable that half the shit that is written in that book, snake-staff? Give me a break. I won't even start going in to all of the fucked up issues religion has caused, there's far to many to talk about here. | ||
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