EPT[Veganism] Fucking humanity - Page 3
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
This just in... Documentary about Animal Rights to shift eating habits of the population is using shock-valued footage and exaggeratory deep and profound narration to sway its curious and easily provoked viewers. Shocking news, I know! If you need a reason to be a vegetarian, you follow and believe that reasoning! But you can stop trying to sway me about something I'm already aware of. Does that makes me ignorant? I tend to shrug and say no, but thankfully an opinion of me is equal to any other opinion: it doesn't matter. I'm still going to eat meat and enjoy it medium-rare, thanks. As for my views of this sort of treatment, I reserve it. Just like I reserve my views about many other sensitive topics. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:33 Lexpar wrote: That makes no sense. Closer to a vegetarian? Its not like being a vegetarian makes you a better human being: ascends you to a higher plane or something. Being a vegetarian just means that less animals die in the grand scheme. Being "more a vegetarian than a carnivore" doesn't mean shit. You're an omnivore. Being a carnivore doesn't make you lawful evil or any shit like that, and vegetarians aren't neutral good or anything. Your comment pisses me off. Being a vegetarian doesn't mean less animals die in the grand scheme of things. | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:33 roadrunner_sc wrote: Where did he say veganism = end to animal cruelty? Seriously, where does he say that? What if, by some infinitesimal chance, someone so lacking in logic could be suggesting a simple way NOT TO TAKE PART IN ANIMAL CRUELTY? Could it possibly be? Why certainly not, if you say so. Sigh... "Not taking part in animal cruelty"... Between you going out to the department store and buying a steak or buying a can of baked beans, none of those acts has anything to do with animal cruelty. Infact I would argue that only when larger volumes of product is moved commercially, will the FDA(or other authorities) sit up and make more efforts to regulate any improper, unethical slaughterhouses and farms. So yeah! Being a vegan unintentionally does your part to ensure that the system remains as it is... Zzzz. Actually my point is that buying a steak from a restaurant or store in no way indemnifies as someone who is cruel to animals. All this is ofc under the premise that you find:- eating of animals=Not cruel Unnecessary torture to save money=cruel ...which is my personal basic premise.  | ||
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Rhythm.102
United States56 Posts
No one is shoving meat down your throat... No one wants to hear someone else complain about it. You have your reasons for eating what you choose to eat... Would an animal lover have any reason to be offended at vegetarians? Aren't they eating only foods that the mass population of animals need to survive? I know if i was a deer i would be pretty pissed that your eating all my carrots and corn... | ||
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:30 HotKimchi wrote: Think about the fruits and veggies. They have rights to. Here is my video to show you what kind of agony our poor organics go through. Shits real: ![[image loading]](http://www.recipetips.com/kitchen/images/refimages/kitchen_advice/fruit_veg/broccoli/broccoli_cut3.jpg) | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
To each their own I suppose. But I say if you make the step to alter your habits to save animals, why not do it for your own species? | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:15 tok wrote: I just watched the PETA episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit. So my opinion is you're wrong. Just in case you're not kidding, that show was the most egregious form of misleading-the-viewer-and-pretending-it's-comedy television. They were so irresponsible that episodes are basically used as examples of propaganda in university classes now. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:48 Blyadischa wrote: Being a vegetarian doesn't mean less animals die in the grand scheme of things. You're wrong. Supply and demand. Sure 1 person not buying meat might mean that there is no change in the amount of animals tortured and killed. But if 1% of the population doesn't buy meat? That's millions of animals being saved in a generation. 5% of the population could mean billions of animals that aren't raised solely to be tortured and killed. Do I have to explain to you that as a company meat producers will not make significantly more product than they can sell? It doesn't make business sense. It's wasted money. It puzzles me how you could blindly deny this logic. | ||
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x-Catalyst
United States921 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:33 Lexpar wrote: That makes no sense. Closer to a vegetarian? Its not like being a vegetarian makes you a better human being: ascends you to a higher plane or something. Being a vegetarian just means that less animals die in the grand scheme. Being "more a vegetarian than a carnivore" doesn't mean shit. You're an omnivore. Being a carnivore doesn't make you lawful evil or any shit like that, and vegetarians aren't neutral good or anything. Your comment pisses me off. He didn't say anything about because being closer to vegetarian meant he was "above meat eaters". He CLEARLY stated that he's closer to a vegetarian diet because he can't afford quality meat. So I think your response is closer to a comprehension fail to an actual refute towards something that doesn't need refuting. Or unless I'm just not getting your point. And on a completely unrelated note: I've been vegan for 4 years, and no, I'm not with PETA, no I don't think I'm above everyone else, no I don't hate meat eaters, and no I don't push my life style on other people. These are common misconceptions that I deal with all the time, and I don't see where people get them from. I guess it's just pushy organizations that give other vegetarians/vegans a bad name. People chose what to eat for different reasons. Lifestyle, beliefs, religion, health, diets and whatnot. Just thought I should put that out there before people start flaming people for what they chose to eat. Not everyone is a pushy all-up-in-your-face asshole. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:52 Lexpar wrote: You're wrong. Supply and demand. Sure 1 person not buying meat might mean that there is no change in the amount of animals tortured and killed. But if 1% of the population doesn't buy meat? That's millions of animals being saved in a generation. 5% of the population could mean billions of animals that aren't raised solely to be tortured and killed. Do I have to explain to you that as a company meat producers will not make significantly more product than they can sell? It doesn't make business sense. It's wasted money. It puzzles me how you could blindly deny this logic. The pigs are alive and born way before the effect of any stand of vegetarianism is made. So if all of us stop eating meat and cause the meat market to plummet, a lot of pigs die either way, just that no one consumes them. In the long-run, it's a good idea, but with only a fraction eating meat, it just means pigs die, are not used and they don't produce as many pigs. The market doesn't shift its policies or values. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:50 Torte de Lini wrote: I always enjoy how people claim to be of something for the greater good or to show that they won't stand for XYZ, but when it comes to another aspect that involves human beings more (buying clothes made by child-laborers, low-wager countries like China or Taiwan) they don't change their habits. To each their own I suppose. But I say if you make the step to alter your habits to save animals, why not do it for your own species? No one can do everything, not even Bill Gates. And there are many more environmental problems associated with eating meat than there are associated with, say, eating broccoli*.** And environmental problems are human problems. Of course, there are ways to reduce or even mitigate environmental problems associated with meat-eating without going vegan. It's somewhat harder, sure, but it's definitely possible. *Even agribusiness-style broccoli. **This, of course, depends on the country. It's certainly true in America, but I'm not sure if it holds in, say, India or something. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
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Yushike
United States44 Posts
In my opinion, vegans are dicks. | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
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gosuRob
United States319 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote: I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants. Prove me wrong? Well, it's up to you to prove it wrong because you're claiming that everything is in things when they aren't. Anyway, vegetarian/veganism is devoid of vitamin B12 / omega fatty acids are critical for metabolism and brain function/development. Vegetarian/vegan mother's literally are mentally retarding their kids by eating like that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787236 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9028851 | ||
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:57 Quasimoto3000 wrote: Vegetarian for 20 years now. Never been healthier in my life. More power to you man! Omnivore for 22 years now. Never been healthier in my life. More power to you man! | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:55 acker wrote: No one can do everything, not even Bill Gates. And there are many more environmental problems associated with eating meat than there are associated with, say, eating broccoli*. And environmental problems are human problems. Of course, there are ways to reduce or even mitigate environmental problems associated with meat-eating. But it's more difficult. *Even agribusiness-style broccoli. Of course not, asking someone to do everything is insane (speaking of Bill Gates, you should his foundation he created, truly amazing!). What I'm saying is that if you're going to be passionate about rights of animals, why not be passionate about the rights of people, the very things/creatures you live, interact and cooperate with? Sure, animals are senselessly being killed. But why not change your eating habits to solely eating from Fair-Traded products? Or simply buying more expensive clothing made from well-paid employees? You're saving a lot of money by not eating meat, a good way to compensate that dose of extra funds by helping your own kind. In the end of everything, no matter how much good you do, the worse always strikes harder. I'm not saying to give up, but to consider what hits home more. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:54 Torte de Lini wrote: The pigs are alive and born way before the effect of any stand of vegetarianism is made. So if all of us stop eating meat and cause the meat market to plummet, a lot of pigs die either way, just that no one consumes them. In the long-run, it's a good idea, but with only a fraction eating meat, it just means pigs die, are not used and they don't produce as many pigs. The market doesn't shift its policies or values. Can you expand on this? You're saying that the market takes so long to shift, that even if a significant portion of the population decided not to buy meat it would take so long for the market to adjust that it doesn't really matter pigs die anyway? I don't understand. If we can agree that killing animals is fundamentally a bad thing, and we kill X animals per day as a species, as long as X becomes a smaller number over time, we're doing a good thing. So 50% of the population stops eating meat NOW. Sure X animals will continue to die for weeks, months, but then of course companies will have to halve their production or else go out of business. A good thing is done. So what are you saying? The fact that X won't change for a month means being vegetarian isn't worth it? | ||
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