EPTOkay I know its not Martin Sheen but its a sound alike for sure.
Go vege!
Here's an even better video that had a big impact on me going vegetarian 2 years ago.
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
Okay I know its not Martin Sheen but its a sound alike for sure. Go vege! Here's an even better video that had a big impact on me going vegetarian 2 years ago. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
Organisms need to die for us to be able to live, no matter how graphic, this is reality. I hope that no one gets too emotionally attached watching videos like this, it will only cause needless pain. If you don't want this to happen then tough luck, but if you want to do something about it then become a vegan. I don't see this being much different then any animal being brutally murdered in the wild. Any organism that exists needs to consume, as heartbreaking as it is we're all indirectly/directly involved. Edit: Yeah I do agree that they are all being treated really badly, they deserve better lives before we kill them. I'd rather eat a happy cow then a sad cow. | ||
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:22 Disquiet wrote: What do you mean, vegetarians make meat more expensive? I don't understand, surely less demand for meat = good, with the emerging middle class in China and India now demanding meat instead of basic staples, meat prices are set to soar in the coming decades. If some westerners want to stop eating meat because it offends their sensibilities it might be a good thing. Lol. If you wanted to sell 100 pieces of meat to 100 people to make 100 dollars itd be 1$/piece... Now if you wanted to make the same profit with just 10 people each piece would be 10$/piece. Thats how it works over the short term... Over the long term though,Supply and difficulty in easy profit will fix the price at approx higher than the starting price. But that can never be predicted with absolute certainty. So, in your best short-term interest, you shud hope that Non-vegetarians increase in number as long as supply can cope. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
That being said, I fucking adore a good steak, and just like the 30,000 children who starve to death on a daily basis, I don't have to see the animals killed first hand. So I live in my little blissful world of ignorance where I buy steaks at the super market, and ignore what happens to the cow. One of the best arguments for lowering our meat intake is that the food that feeds that cow could feed something like 7 times the people if we just ate the plants. A lot of energy is lost in converting that plant matter into meat. | ||
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:19 Zealotdriver wrote: Lulz, failure by the OP to exercise simple logic. It may shock you to learn this, but refusing to eat animal products does not stop cruelty to animals. Where did he say veganism = end to animal cruelty? Seriously, where does he say that? What if, by some infinitesimal chance, someone so lacking in logic could be suggesting a simple way NOT TO TAKE PART IN ANIMAL CRUELTY? Could it possibly be? Why certainly not, if you say so. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is. And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them. Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death. I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:25 jalstar wrote: I drive through fields of cows all the time in SoCal so I refuse to believe that all cows are locked up inside in tiny pens. And I don't eat meat or poultry often because it's too expensive to get stuff that isn't processed garbage, so if anything I'm closer to vegetarian than carnivore. That makes no sense. Closer to a vegetarian? Its not like being a vegetarian makes you a better human being: ascends you to a higher plane or something. Being a vegetarian just means that less animals die in the grand scheme. Being "more a vegetarian than a carnivore" doesn't mean shit. You're an omnivore. Being a carnivore doesn't make you lawful evil or any shit like that, and vegetarians aren't neutral good or anything. Your comment pisses me off. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:33 thehitman wrote: Its been scientifically proven numerous times (just google it) that humans need meat. If you don't consume any meat and not to mention even animal products(vegans) you are going to have some health problems since you are not in taking all the nutrients your body needs. Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is. And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them. Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death. I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants. Prove me wrong? | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
I would kill a hundred thousand cows to save 1 human life, but farming a hundred thousand cows kills many people around the world, if only from starvation. | ||
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DONTPANIC
United States340 Posts
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Brad
2754 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:31 Firereaver wrote: Lol. If you wanted to sell 100 pieces of meat to 100 people to make 100 dollars itd be 1$/piece... Now if you wanted to make the same profit with just 10 people each piece would be 10$/piece. Thats how it works over the short term... Over the long term though,Supply and difficulty in easy profit will fix the price at approx higher than the starting price. But that can never be predicted with absolute certainty. So, in your best short-term interest, you shud hope that Non-vegetarians increase in number as long as supply can cope. That's not how economics works at all, you'd be lucky to get even one of those people to buy meat for 10 times the price. (depends on demand elasticity of course) The price goes down in the long run. If I remember my econ class right, the industry shrinks from supplying less, and is able to produce more efficiently for less cost, and thus it becomes optimal to charge less. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Plus they do drive the price of meat down, assuming perfect competition. A decrease in demand leads to a reduction in quantity and price to meet the new equilibrium. Which means that they do lower the amount of meat on the market, but make the meat cheaper for non-vegans. So it's a win-win situation. | ||
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Babaganoush
United States626 Posts
Edit: And do you know that vegetarians will not have an effect on the meat prices? Especially good ol meat-lovin' America? The only effect I can find vegetarians causing is more ethical treatment of animals grown for food. ...Which I'm afraid will be very, very minimal with lobbyists. | ||
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radialis
726 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:21 vOdToasT wrote: I'm a vegetarian, pushin' up the prices for you guys. Problem, meat eaters? Where the hell did you get the idea that vegetarians push up the prices on meat? | ||
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blitzkrieger
United States512 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:31 Firereaver wrote: Lol. If you wanted to sell 100 pieces of meat to 100 people to make 100 dollars itd be 1$/piece... Now if you wanted to make the same profit with just 10 people each piece would be 10$/piece. Thats how it works over the short term... Over the long term though,Supply and difficulty in easy profit will fix the price at approx higher than the starting price. But that can never be predicted with absolute certainty. So, in your best short-term interest, you shud hope that Non-vegetarians increase in number as long as supply can cope. But the meat market is not a monopoly. | ||
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Cirn9
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