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On February 09 2011 13:21 Firereaver wrote:
Seriously....-_-
I hate this cruelty porn tactic that people use to emotionally trap. So you'd have no problem in eating non-veg if the animals weren't brutally killed and slaughtered more ethically!
Yes, I would have no problem with eating animals that were raised sustainably and treated properly. Humans are meant to eat meat. The problem for me is attitude that animals are a mass of cells to be expoited versus something to be respected, revered even, for being our food.
And please don't even start that "if there was no demand then wud not be any need for___" stuff. Man, some of you just have to realise that there are bigger issues than what we eat thats wrong with todays world.
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Most of the issues with todays world have an enormous impact on our food. Most of our food production has an enormous impact on the issues with todays world. Everyone eats, and therefore everyone contributes a hell of a lot to the problems we have.
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On February 09 2011 14:08 HotKimchi wrote:
Let us look at the majestic lion.
As she pounces on her prey and grasps along the neck to drag the beast down to the ground. She holds the throat of the animal bleeding and suffocating it to death. Sometimes when the animal is not dead the pack still eats the still breathing animals body causing it agonizing pain. The lions then leave the carcass that still has meat, bone, fat, hide and other usable products. Only some of which is picked clean by scavengers. The bones then deteriorate into the ground to fuel the earth with more elements.
Fucking majestic and deep.
Humans kill animals and use the meat, hide, bones, and fat in products to feed and clothe humans. The rest is either burned or dumped to return to the earth.
Fucking monsters.
See the point im trying to make here?
Nice try. I, too, can beautifully illustrate the slaughtering of animals from a human's side.
It was a cool and beautiful day. Father Donald awoke before even the sun could rise. As he steps outside, he notices his beautiful farm animals have taken a stroll onto his pasture. The irony of his breakfast resembling the very animals he hears cooing their preschooled-taught sounds is comedic, yet... poetic. Today is a day of death for these animals and perhaps they know this, but as they naively sip their water from that half-barrel, grab another handful of grass from the hills, they realize their life is simple and is for the greater good of their human-bearer.
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On February 09 2011 13:58 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:33 thehitman wrote:
Its been scientifically proven numerous times (just google it) that humans need meat. If you don't consume any meat and not to mention even animal products(vegans) you are going to have some health problems since you are not in taking all the nutrients your body needs.
Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is.
And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them.
Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death.
I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves.
I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants. Prove me wrong? Well, it's up to you to prove it wrong because you're claiming that everything is in things when they aren't. Anyway, vegetarian/veganism is devoid of vitamin B12 / omega fatty acids are critical for metabolism and brain function/development. Vegetarian/vegan mother's literally are mentally retarding their kids by eating like that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787236http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9028851
Vegans can get B12 through fortified grains, soy products, and vitamin supplements. Flax seeds have a high concentration of omega fatty acids.
The argument that "lots of vegans don't know how to eat a healthy diet" doesn't hold water. Lots of omnivores don't consume the vitamins they need, but no one could possibly argue that an omnivorous diet is unhealthy. It's a blanket statement to suggest that all vegans are missing out on the foods their body needs. I take seaweed derived omega fatty acid pills and a multivitamin daily. I eat 2 heaping tablespoons of flax seeds every day at breakfast.
Vegans CAN get everything their body needs from their diet. Saying that lots don't dosen't mean much really.
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On February 09 2011 14:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
Just so you guys know, anyone claiming i have health issues is wrong. I've never eaten meat in my life. and i'm healthier than most of my friends who do. Now i also don't go out an try to "convert" or anything. just let me eat my tofu in peace and don't wave a steak in front of me, it's not funny, you are just being insensitive and stupid. If you were allergic to peanuts i won't smear your body in peanut butter and roll you in chopped nuts. don't try to throw meat on me. it's gross.
How do you know you're more healthy than your friends. How do you know the differences of your healths is due to one eating meat and the other not.
I'm pretty sure allergy to peanuts is a physical insensitivity than the emotional-reaction of meat.
Apples and Oranges, very, very bias view.
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Yes, all animals are raised like this.
The tasty ones are commonly ripped from their mothers wombs by homeless bums with scissorhands 2 weeks before birth to keep the flesh tender.
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What?
Seriously.
Buy quality meat. You get what you pay, if it's steak at 5$/kg its probably not something you would wish to support. And most likely poisoned with medication that will affect your body.
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On February 09 2011 14:13 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 13:58 eshlow wrote:On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:33 thehitman wrote:
Its been scientifically proven numerous times (just google it) that humans need meat. If you don't consume any meat and not to mention even animal products(vegans) you are going to have some health problems since you are not in taking all the nutrients your body needs.
Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is.
And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them.
Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death.
I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves.
I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants. Prove me wrong? Well, it's up to you to prove it wrong because you're claiming that everything is in things when they aren't. Anyway, vegetarian/veganism is devoid of vitamin B12 / omega fatty acids are critical for metabolism and brain function/development. Vegetarian/vegan mother's literally are mentally retarding their kids by eating like that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787236http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9028851 Vegans can get B12 through fortified grains, soy products, and vitamin supplements. Flax seeds have a high concentration of omega fatty acids. The argument that "lots of vegans don't know how to eat a healthy diet" doesn't hold water. Lots of omnivores don't consume the vitamins they need, but no one could possibly argue that an omnivorous diet is unhealthy. It's a blanket statement to suggest that all vegans are missing out on the foods their body needs. I take seaweed derived omega fatty acid pills and a multivitamin daily. I eat 2 heaping tablespoons of flax seeds every day at breakfast. Vegans CAN get everything their body needs from their diet. Saying that lots don't dosen't mean much really.
I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Where are your eggs!!! precious precious egg omelet with ham chunks... *slobbers*
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We should just eat our own babies. That'll save the animals from being slaughtered!
Oh, by the way: I'm switching to Fruit. I just saw a carrot ripped from the ground from its very hairs ):
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Sine the dawn of mankind we've PROBABLY helped wipe out more species of animals than currently exist due to hunting and gathering. You should thank agriculture and the ingenuity of our species for learning how to raise livestock so that we don't drain nature of ALL it's resources. Instead we breed and grow enough food to sustain us, aiming to minimize our impact on nature. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.
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On February 09 2011 14:12 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:08 HotKimchi wrote:
Let us look at the majestic lion.
As she pounces on her prey and grasps along the neck to drag the beast down to the ground. She holds the throat of the animal bleeding and suffocating it to death. Sometimes when the animal is not dead the pack still eats the still breathing animals body causing it agonizing pain. The lions then leave the carcass that still has meat, bone, fat, hide and other usable products. Only some of which is picked clean by scavengers. The bones then deteriorate into the ground to fuel the earth with more elements.
Fucking majestic and deep.
Humans kill animals and use the meat, hide, bones, and fat in products to feed and clothe humans. The rest is either burned or dumped to return to the earth.
Fucking monsters.
See the point im trying to make here? Nice try. I, too, can beautifully illustrate the slaughtering of animals from a human's side. It was a cool and beautiful day. Father Donald awoke before even the sun could rise. As he steps outside, he notices his beautiful farm animals have taken a stroll onto his pasture. The irony of his breakfast resembling the very animals he hears cooing their preschooled-taught sounds is comedic, yet... poetic. Today is a day of death for these animals and perhaps they know this, but as they naively sip their water from that half-barrel, grab another handful of grass from the hills, they realize their life is simple and is for the greater good of their human-bearer.
Then little suzy ran outside and said "no daddy please!"
Father Donald heard the sound through his cell phone, It was the market.
Market: Donald you must kill the farm animals.
So Donald got his shotgun and shooted at the animals.
He then slipped on excrement and the animals were caught in the mud.
He screamed "No I must kill the barn animal!"
Suzy chimes in and says "no dad, you are the barn animal."
Then Donald was sheep.
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On February 09 2011 14:16 HotKimchi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:12 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 09 2011 14:08 HotKimchi wrote:
Let us look at the majestic lion.
As she pounces on her prey and grasps along the neck to drag the beast down to the ground. She holds the throat of the animal bleeding and suffocating it to death. Sometimes when the animal is not dead the pack still eats the still breathing animals body causing it agonizing pain. The lions then leave the carcass that still has meat, bone, fat, hide and other usable products. Only some of which is picked clean by scavengers. The bones then deteriorate into the ground to fuel the earth with more elements.
Fucking majestic and deep.
Humans kill animals and use the meat, hide, bones, and fat in products to feed and clothe humans. The rest is either burned or dumped to return to the earth.
Fucking monsters.
See the point im trying to make here? Nice try. I, too, can beautifully illustrate the slaughtering of animals from a human's side. It was a cool and beautiful day. Father Donald awoke before even the sun could rise. As he steps outside, he notices his beautiful farm animals have taken a stroll onto his pasture. The irony of his breakfast resembling the very animals he hears cooing their preschooled-taught sounds is comedic, yet... poetic. Today is a day of death for these animals and perhaps they know this, but as they naively sip their water from that half-barrel, grab another handful of grass from the hills, they realize their life is simple and is for the greater good of their human-bearer. Then little suzy ran outside and said "no daddy please!" Father Donald heard the sound through his cell phone, It was the market. Market: Donald you must kill the farm animals. So Donald got his shotgun and shooted at the animals. He then slipped on excrement and the animals were caught in the mud. He screamed "No I must kill the barn animal!" Suzy chimes in and says "no dad, you are the barn animal." Then Donald was sheep.
Who names their child Suzy? That story is so fake bro!
It's shot by the way, but that's beside the point.
Let's fix that.
Little Suzie dashed outside in her overalls. She wished Daddy didn't have to kill the animals, but Father Donald taught her the ways of life and how we, people, must rely on animals to feed and fend for ourselves. A reminder of this was echoed from his cellular phone, it was the market urging for help from Farmer Donald: "Please, you and many farmers like you who are trying to make a living for many centuries, are our supplies to meat and the growth of our children! I'm sorry, but you must slaughter those animals to feed and clothe us and perpetuate the lopsidedness of capitalism!"
Farmer Donald, despite how corporate-America has basically backslapped the agriculture sector (and thus perhaps why so many animals are so cruelly treated), did what was necessary. The methodology resulted in the same way, yet... the reasoning for those methods are ignored.
Farmer Donald delivered the meat, but gets all the blame.
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On February 09 2011 14:15 Kakera wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:13 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:58 eshlow wrote:On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:33 thehitman wrote:
Its been scientifically proven numerous times (just google it) that humans need meat. If you don't consume any meat and not to mention even animal products(vegans) you are going to have some health problems since you are not in taking all the nutrients your body needs.
Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is.
And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them.
Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death.
I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves.
I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants. Prove me wrong? Well, it's up to you to prove it wrong because you're claiming that everything is in things when they aren't. Anyway, vegetarian/veganism is devoid of vitamin B12 / omega fatty acids are critical for metabolism and brain function/development. Vegetarian/vegan mother's literally are mentally retarding their kids by eating like that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787236http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9028851 Vegans can get B12 through fortified grains, soy products, and vitamin supplements. Flax seeds have a high concentration of omega fatty acids. The argument that "lots of vegans don't know how to eat a healthy diet" doesn't hold water. Lots of omnivores don't consume the vitamins they need, but no one could possibly argue that an omnivorous diet is unhealthy. It's a blanket statement to suggest that all vegans are missing out on the foods their body needs. I take seaweed derived omega fatty acid pills and a multivitamin daily. I eat 2 heaping tablespoons of flax seeds every day at breakfast. Vegans CAN get everything their body needs from their diet. Saying that lots don't dosen't mean much really. I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Where are your eggs!!! precious precious egg omelet with ham chunks... *slobbers*
Well I take them in a fruit shake, so it's not so bad 
Flax seeds are actually super gross.
I do:
1 cup soy milk
1/3 cup rasperies
1/3 cup blueberries
1/3 cup blackberries
1 banana
2 tsp flax seeds.
Really important to brush teeth AFTER breakfast. :p
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On February 09 2011 14:20 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 14:12 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 09 2011 14:08 HotKimchi wrote:
Let us look at the majestic lion.
As she pounces on her prey and grasps along the neck to drag the beast down to the ground. She holds the throat of the animal bleeding and suffocating it to death. Sometimes when the animal is not dead the pack still eats the still breathing animals body causing it agonizing pain. The lions then leave the carcass that still has meat, bone, fat, hide and other usable products. Only some of which is picked clean by scavengers. The bones then deteriorate into the ground to fuel the earth with more elements.
Fucking majestic and deep.
Humans kill animals and use the meat, hide, bones, and fat in products to feed and clothe humans. The rest is either burned or dumped to return to the earth.
Fucking monsters.
See the point im trying to make here? Nice try. I, too, can beautifully illustrate the slaughtering of animals from a human's side. It was a cool and beautiful day. Father Donald awoke before even the sun could rise. As he steps outside, he notices his beautiful farm animals have taken a stroll onto his pasture. The irony of his breakfast resembling the very animals he hears cooing their preschooled-taught sounds is comedic, yet... poetic. Today is a day of death for these animals and perhaps they know this, but as they naively sip their water from that half-barrel, grab another handful of grass from the hills, they realize their life is simple and is for the greater good of their human-bearer. Then little suzy ran outside and said "no daddy please!" Father Donald heard the sound through his cell phone, It was the market. Market: Donald you must kill the farm animals. So Donald got his shotgun and shooted at the animals. He then slipped on excrement and the animals were caught in the mud. He screamed "No I must kill the barn animal!" Suzy chimes in and says "no dad, you are the barn animal." Then Donald was sheep. Who names their child Suzy? That story is so fake bro! It's shot by the way, but that's beside the point. Let's fix that. Little Suzie dashed outside in her overalls. She wished Daddy didn't have to kill the animals, but Father Donald taught her the ways of life and how we, people, must rely on animals to feed and fend for ourselves. A reminder of this was echoed from his cellular phone, it was the market urging for help from Farmer Donald: "Please, you and many farmers like you who are trying to make a living for many centuries, are our supplies to meat and the growth of our children! I'm sorry, but you must slaughter those animals to feed and clothe us and perpetuate the lopsidedness of capitalism!" Farmer Donald, despite how corporate-America has basically backslapped the agriculture sector (and thus perhaps why so many animals are so cruelly treated), did what was necessary. The methodology resulted in the same way, yet... the reasoning for those methods are ignored. Farmer Donald delivered the meat, but gets all the blame.
I think you totally missed the joke.
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On February 09 2011 14:14 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
Just so you guys know, anyone claiming i have health issues is wrong. I've never eaten meat in my life. and i'm healthier than most of my friends who do. Now i also don't go out an try to "convert" or anything. just let me eat my tofu in peace and don't wave a steak in front of me, it's not funny, you are just being insensitive and stupid. If you were allergic to peanuts i won't smear your body in peanut butter and roll you in chopped nuts. don't try to throw meat on me. it's gross. How do you know you're more healthy than your friends. How do you know the differences of your healths is due to one eating meat and the other not. I'm pretty sure allergy to peanuts is a physical insensitivity than the emotional-reaction of meat. Apples and Oranges, very, very bias view.
I'm the proper weight for my height, i have the proper amount of body fat, i am as muscular. they tend to be slightly heavier or way lighter, have more fat as a %, and have much higher cholesterol.
also people who don't eat something for a long period of time develop a negative physical response to it, humans aren't meant to drink milk, and if you go without it for a long period of time, your body stops producing the enzyme that is needed to digest it, and you become lactose intolerant. some whole cultures can't digest cows milk.
But anyway, don't claim my view of live and let live don't harrass me about my lack of meat eating and i won't harrass you about eating it is very very bias'd and that it's wrong, because seriously it's the most moderate anyone can get on the damn issue.
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On February 09 2011 14:13 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 13:58 eshlow wrote:On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:33 thehitman wrote:
Its been scientifically proven numerous times (just google it) that humans need meat. If you don't consume any meat and not to mention even animal products(vegans) you are going to have some health problems since you are not in taking all the nutrients your body needs.
Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is.
And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them.
Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death.
I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves.
I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves. I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants. Prove me wrong? Well, it's up to you to prove it wrong because you're claiming that everything is in things when they aren't. Anyway, vegetarian/veganism is devoid of vitamin B12 / omega fatty acids are critical for metabolism and brain function/development. Vegetarian/vegan mother's literally are mentally retarding their kids by eating like that http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787236http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9028851 Vegans can get B12 through fortified grains, soy products, and vitamin supplements. Flax seeds have a high concentration of omega fatty acids. The argument that "lots of vegans don't know how to eat a healthy diet" doesn't hold water. Lots of omnivores don't consume the vitamins they need, but no one could possibly argue that an omnivorous diet is unhealthy. It's a blanket statement to suggest that all vegans are missing out on the foods their body needs. I take seaweed derived omega fatty acid pills and a multivitamin daily. I eat 2 heaping tablespoons of flax seeds every day at breakfast. Vegans CAN get everything their body needs from their diet. Saying that lots don't dosen't mean much really.
Ah yes, the old fortified/supplement argument.
So if I was in the 1800s I could get all these fortified foods to get vitamin B12 without eating meat, yeah?
Vegetarian/veganism were manufactured in the 1950s or whenever general mills started throwing vitamins and minerals into their garbage cereals.
Before then everyone ate meat because it was necessary to eat meat to you know.. actually stay alive and not get anemia.. because meat is a great source of omegas and B12.
Just because you can do it... and humans can do a lot of stuff... doesn't make it healthy.
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This is neither here nor there though I would suggest reading "the vegetarian myth" as well.
People are so set in their ways that they won't change even when presented with convincing arguments otherwise. Shrug. Good luck.
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On February 09 2011 14:03 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 13:59 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 09 2011 13:52 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:48 Blyadischa wrote:On February 09 2011 13:33 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 13:25 jalstar wrote:
I drive through fields of cows all the time in SoCal so I refuse to believe that all cows are locked up inside in tiny pens.
And I don't eat meat or poultry often because it's too expensive to get stuff that isn't processed garbage, so if anything I'm closer to vegetarian than carnivore. That makes no sense. Closer to a vegetarian? Its not like being a vegetarian makes you a better human being: ascends you to a higher plane or something. Being a vegetarian just means that less animals die in the grand scheme. Being "more a vegetarian than a carnivore" doesn't mean shit. You're an omnivore. Being a carnivore doesn't make you lawful evil or any shit like that, and vegetarians aren't neutral good or anything. Your comment pisses me off. Being a vegetarian doesn't mean less animals die in the grand scheme of things. You're wrong. Supply and demand. Sure 1 person not buying meat might mean that there is no change in the amount of animals tortured and killed. But if 1% of the population doesn't buy meat? That's millions of animals being saved in a generation. 5% of the population could mean billions of animals that aren't raised solely to be tortured and killed. Do I have to explain to you that as a company meat producers will not make significantly more product than they can sell? It doesn't make business sense. It's wasted money. It puzzles me how you could blindly deny this logic. The pigs are alive and born way before the effect of any stand of vegetarianism is made. So if all of us stop eating meat and cause the meat market to plummet, a lot of pigs die either way, just that no one consumes them. In the long-run, it's a good idea, but with only a fraction eating meat, it just means pigs die, are not used and they don't produce as many pigs. The market doesn't shift its policies or values. Can you expand on this? You're saying that the market takes so long to shift, that even if a significant portion of the population decided not to buy meat it would take so long for the market to adjust that it doesn't really matter pigs die anyway? I don't understand. If we can agree that killing animals is fundamentally a bad thing, and we kill X animals per day as a species, as long as X becomes a smaller number over time, we're doing a good thing. So 50% of the population stops eating meat NOW. Sure X animals will continue to die for weeks, months, but then of course companies will have to halve their production or else go out of business. A good thing is done. So what are you saying? The fact that X won't change for a month means being vegetarian isn't worth it? You are presuming so many things that reexplaining what I'm saying is daunting and almost too irritating to do so. Reread the post and try to refrain from making so many implications. There's only one Waldo to find my statements.
I don't mean to presume! I was trying to illustrate how I understand your post. All I meant was to show how I was interpreting it so you could point out whatever the flaw in my understanding was, because the way I understand your post makes no sense at all to me.
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Eh. I'm not overly saddened by this. People have done just as worse to each other throughout history.
Nature is inherently cruel. There's nothing that can be done about it. In the end, animals are going to have to die, so I can have my steak.
Do the animals have to suffer beforehand? No, they don't. Give me an option to buy more humanely treated and killed animals, and I'll pay a little extra for it. But I'm not about to stop eating meat, something that the apex predators of this planet have done for millions of years.
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On February 09 2011 14:02 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 13:57 senichi wrote:
Not gonna lie, that is inhumane and cruel, but not all meat producing plants do that. We're not herbivores, it's insanely unhealthy to go about not eating meat/dairy, and all those glorious foodstuffs. Not eating it is only harming yourself, which in turn not only makes yourself suffer (Isn't that what you're fighting against, suffering animals? Guess what, humans are animals, too) and when you suffer, it makes your friends and families suffer. Not eating meat isn't going to stop ANY of this at all. In fact, it's disrespectful to the animals themselves. Native Americans, you know those people known for how in tune they were to the planet and animals that walk upon it, they not only ate meat, but they wore leather, and they made weapons and tools made out of bones. Why did they do this? Because when an animal dies, they want to make sure that it doesn't die for no reason. If you stop eating animals, all that's going to happen is the meat that's produced has a higher chance of going bad, and the lives you're trying to protect are going to be wasted because you're too blind to see any of this.
In my opinion, vegans are dicks. Ban me now. I don't want to browse this forum anymore. The fact that this much stupidity could be contained in such a small paragraph has caused me to lose all faith in this forum.
I'm fine with that, reading your previous posts here, I don't agree with you either. All I've actually done in this neat little paragraph is sum up everything you've tried to argue against. Gee, I wonder if we have a point?
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God I hate vegans, they think they're so better then the rest of us just because they don't eat meat, they can eat tree bark and it wont change anything. Cruelty like this is no news and by "being vegan" you don't stop it.
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