EPT[Veganism] Fucking humanity - Page 6
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x-Catalyst
United States921 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:23 Horst wrote: Eh. I'm not overly saddened by this. People have done just as worse to each other throughout history. Nature is inherently cruel. There's nothing that can be done about it. In the end, animals are going to have to die, so I can have my steak. Do the animals have to suffer beforehand? No, they don't. Give me an option to buy more humanely treated and killed animals, and I'll pay a little extra for it. But I'm not about to stop eating meat, something that the apex predators of this planet have done for millions of years. then buy kosher or organic, both have standards on how you have to raise and treat the animal. | ||
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x-Catalyst
United States921 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:24 Vorrenus wrote: God I hate vegans, they think they're so better then the rest of us just because they don't eat meat, they can eat tree bark and it wont change anything. Cruelty like this is no news and by "being vegan" you don't stop it. Refer to my post on page 3. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:22 PrinceXizor wrote: I'm the proper weight for my height, i have the proper amount of body fat, i am as muscular. they tend to be slightly heavier or way lighter, have more fat as a %, and have much higher cholesterol. also people who don't eat something for a long period of time develop a negative physical response to it, humans aren't meant to drink milk, and if you go without it for a long period of time, your body stops producing the enzyme that is needed to digest it, and you become lactose intolerant. some whole cultures can't digest cows milk. But anyway, don't claim my view of live and let live don't harrass me about my lack of meat eating and i won't harrass you about eating it is very very bias'd and that it's wrong, because seriously it's the most moderate anyone can get on the damn issue. Cool. You're apparently the average male which could be due to everything but the absence of meat and additionally, you never said a thing about the friends you compared yourself with... That's out the window. The negative response refute is almost irrelevant. If I shove peanuts to someone who is allergic and may potentially die from it, they will die. If I shove meat into you and you have no allergies or physical problem with it, but just don't like it because it's "insensitive" and "gross", then you can't compare the two or make an analogy. No one's harassing you and you can harass me about my eating habits. The morals of my eating habits is this: eat food that I like and keep my healthy and strong. I like meat, it gives me protein, I'll eat it. There are alternatives and I'll eat those too. | ||
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Horst
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Also, I tried to post my comment on that youtube video... its "pending approval". I have ZERO respect for ANY organization that would put a muzzle on free speech, just because it doesn't agree with their ideals. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:11 Tony Campolo wrote: One of my 'likes' on Facebook is Animal Rights. This video was posted this morning. Some of the footage is from previous documentaries (such as Earthlings and The Cove). As someone who has been actively involved in the animal rights community for the past three years, it still makes me throw up to see it: For information regarding veganism health (e.g. nutrients etc), see www.vegan.org.nz. Btw, whats your point in posting this... I'm almost positive that everyone knows how animals are treated before we get to eat them. Sure it is horrible and cruel but the majority of people will not stop eating meat... Myself included. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:23 Lexpar wrote: I don't mean to presume! I was trying to illustrate how I understand your post. All I meant was to show how I was interpreting it so you could point out whatever the flaw in my understanding was, because the way I understand your post makes no sense at all to me. Your entire understand of my point is flawed, so I think I'm just going to wash my hands, yell "I give up" and let us go our separate ways ;P | ||
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Jayve
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Animal cruelty is the one and only topic of any importance god has ever given man on this planet. (I threw in god for the lulz) We need to make sure that NO ONE feeds the starving people around the world before they've learned what to eat and why. And just because something like killing and eating animals has been part of human culture for thousands of years, that doesn't mean it shouldn't stop. This is just like sex, another thing that we as humans have been doing for thousands of years, it needs to end NOW. I could make a topic and post some pr0n to convince you of how wrong it is to have sex by showing you how it's done, but I won't. [ end sarcasm ] In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight. It goes like this: - Human Rights - Globalize eSports - World Peace - End World Hunger - Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:22 eshlow wrote: Ah yes, the old fortified/supplement argument. So if I was in the 1800s I could get all these fortified foods to get vitamin B12 without eating meat, yeah? Vegetarian/veganism were manufactured in the 1950s or whenever general mills started throwing vitamins and minerals into their garbage cereals. Before then everyone ate meat because it was necessary to eat meat to you know.. actually stay alive and not get anemia.. because meat is a great source of omegas and B12. Just because you can do it... and humans can do a lot of stuff... doesn't make it healthy. ----------------- This is neither here nor there though I would suggest reading "the vegetarian myth" as well. People are so set in their ways that they won't change even when presented with convincing arguments otherwise. Shrug. Good luck. You're right! Technology has taken us to an age were we don't need to kill animals in order for ourselves to survive. The way I see it, why should I eat meat that I don't need and causes suffering? That's my logic though. I actually totally get your approach that we should eat the same things our ancestors ate, because we evolved in the direction of the things we ate. If that is what you're implying. I hear I presume a lot. I think that's a completely rational way to think. All I'm trying to argue in this thread is that I think in an equally rational way. Most (if not all, its been a lot now) of the comments I've responded to have been those trying to refute what I believe is firm logic. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:27 Horst wrote: Prince, I rarely buy actual meat in a grocery store.... being a college student, the VAST majority of things I buy are frozen, pre-prepared foods. I'm not sure how tyson prepares their chicken patties, but if they want to charge a little extra for humane treatment, i'll pay it. Also, I tried to post my comment on that youtube video... its "pending approval". I have ZERO respect for ANY organization that would put a muzzle on free speech, just because it doesn't agree with their ideals. Then look for kosher a few frozen food brands at target and wal mart ect have kosher on them somewhere, it's typically about 5 cents more expensive and usually also comes with a bit less calories too (for some reason, likely just prepared healthier). | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
Edit : To add a little content I guess... shock videos such as these and organizations such as PETA and other terrorist organizations (yes, you read that right) that try to stop things like animal research and think everyone could survive on their vegetarian diets sicken me and are one of the reasons that I'd never even consider being a vegetarian. There are even organizations that go one step further and oppose genetically modified crops (you know, because it's not like we can't feed the entire world right now and such progress would help humanity greatly...) as well beyond just trying to get people to stop eating animals. If you want to be a vegetarian to lose weight, fine. But don't say it's healthier (it isn't) than a balanced diet and don't try to shock people into following your ideology. Don't support the starvation of billions by opposing progress in agriculture (and if people stopped eating meat the problem would be 10 fold) and don't support a lower quality of life by opposing medical research that is crucial to advancements. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:32 Kurr wrote: I'll stick with my 90% meat diet thank you very much. Give tips! | ||
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Ashera
Canada202 Posts
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
"vegans are dicks! why do they think they are so good? they can't change anything. i hate those guys" I would be fucking rich. It's sad that people shit on others who stand up for what they believe in. Some vegans are dicks. Some omnivores are dicks. Nobody in this thread who claims to be vegan has opened with an insult. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Ezekyle
Australia607 Posts
In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight. It goes like this: - Human Rights - Globalize eSports - World Peace - End World Hunger - Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list. Three things: 1. Why are these all mutually exclusive pursuits? Surely we can do more than one thing all at once. 2. Why are animals so unimportant? We didn't evolve to empathise with anyone other than each other, because omnivores that refuse to eat meat aren't going to survive for very long (unless they've reached the point humanity has, of course). So obviously it's difficult for most people to care if an animal is in pain and starving. But if you use logic rather than relying on base instincts and emotion, an animal is just as capable of suffering as a human, and there is little difference between an oppressed human and a caged cow. 3. Since when have human rights been even nearly as important as globalising Starcraft? :p | ||
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Anyways... To each their own, just don't shove your eating habits down each other's throats (haha), and let each live as they wish. Respect my decisions, I'll respect yours. Hell, if I actually knew a vegan/vegetarian I would even share meals with them. :p | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
i like the fruit/veggie video. ps. i love meat and laugh at vegetarians. but all you other carnivores, do you really have to ridicule vegans because they care about animals and eat granola? psps. supply and demand isn't as complicated as you clowns on page 1-2 are making it /lols | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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