[Veganism] Fucking humanity

On February 09 2011 13:17 Disquiet wrote:
Well I'm happy you to be a vegan, the more the merrier, drives down meat prices for me.

On February 09 2011 13:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:


That's actually the opposite of how it works.

On February 09 2011 13:20 Megaliskuu wrote:
Yummy!

On February 09 2011 13:20 jalstar wrote:


changing tastes and preferences shifts the demand curve entirely, you're thinking of movement on the demand curve due to changing prices.

On February 09 2011 13:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:


That's actually the opposite of how it works.

On February 09 2011 13:24 Tdelamay wrote:
Take in mind that they take the worst example possible and that some of the things they generalize are not true to all farms. Also, killing by CO2 is not excruciatingly painful, it is quite the opposite.

On February 09 2011 13:22 Disquiet wrote:

What do you mean, vegetarians make meat more expensive? I don't understand, surely less demand for meat = good, with the emerging middle class in China and India now demanding meat instead of basic staples, meat prices are set to soar in the coming decades. If some westerners want to stop eating meat because it offends their sensibilities it might be a good thing.

On February 09 2011 13:19 Zealotdriver wrote:
Lulz, failure by the OP to exercise simple logic. It may shock you to learn this, but refusing to eat animal products does not stop cruelty to animals.

On February 09 2011 13:25 jalstar wrote:
I drive through fields of cows all the time in SoCal so I refuse to believe that all cows are locked up inside in tiny pens.

And I don't eat meat or poultry often because it's too expensive to get stuff that isn't processed garbage, so if anything I'm closer to vegetarian than carnivore.

On February 09 2011 13:33 thehitman wrote:
Its been scientifically proven numerous times (just google it) that humans need meat. If you don't consume any meat and not to mention even animal products(vegans) you are going to have some health problems since you are not in taking all the nutrients your body needs.

Since time people have killed animals to feed and other animals kill other animals to feed, its just the way it is.

And there are so many people on this planet that you can't just go in the wild and kill 1000 pigs to feed a small city (30.000 population), so we have to raise them in a farm and then kill them.

Its a bit brutal, but what options do we have? - Be vegan and be unhealthy, be vegetarian and forbit yourself the pleasures of eating meat or starve to death.

I'm more concerned about people killing wild animals for fur and ivory(equals money) rather than us raising animals to feed ourselves.

I'm more worried about all the trees we are cutting down and how many animals that kills, rather than raising animals to feed ourselves.

On February 09 2011 13:31 Firereaver wrote:

Lol. If you wanted to sell 100 pieces of meat to 100 people to make 100 dollars itd be 1$/piece...
Now if you wanted to make the same profit with just 10 people each piece would be 10$/piece.
Thats how it works over the short term... Over the long term though,Supply and difficulty in easy profit will fix the price at approx higher than the starting price. But that can never be predicted with absolute certainty.
So, in your best short-term interest, you shud hope that Non-vegetarians increase in number as long as supply can cope.

On February 09 2011 13:21 vOdToasT wrote:
I'm a vegetarian, pushin' up the prices for you guys. Problem, meat eaters?

On February 09 2011 13:31 Firereaver wrote:

Lol. If you wanted to sell 100 pieces of meat to 100 people to make 100 dollars itd be 1$/piece...
Now if you wanted to make the same profit with just 10 people each piece would be 10$/piece.
Thats how it works over the short term... Over the long term though,Supply and difficulty in easy profit will fix the price at approx higher than the starting price. But that can never be predicted with absolute certainty.
So, in your best short-term interest, you shud hope that Non-vegetarians increase in number as long as supply can cope.

On February 09 2011 13:33 Lexpar wrote:



That makes no sense. Closer to a vegetarian? Its not like being a vegetarian makes you a better human being: ascends you to a higher plane or something. Being a vegetarian just means that less animals die in the grand scheme. Being "more a vegetarian than a carnivore" doesn't mean shit. You're an omnivore. Being a carnivore doesn't make you lawful evil or any shit like that, and vegetarians aren't neutral good or anything.

Your comment pisses me off.

On February 09 2011 13:33 roadrunner_sc wrote:


Where did he say veganism = end to animal cruelty?
Seriously, where does he say that?

What if, by some infinitesimal chance, someone so lacking in logic could be suggesting a simple way NOT TO TAKE PART IN ANIMAL CRUELTY? Could it possibly be? Why certainly not, if you say so.

On February 09 2011 13:30 HotKimchi wrote:
Think about the fruits and veggies. They have rights to. Here is my video to show you what kind of agony our poor organics go through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5mInR21lAA

On February 09 2011 13:15 tok wrote:
I just watched the PETA episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit. So my opinion is you're wrong.

On February 09 2011 13:48 Blyadischa wrote:


Being a vegetarian doesn't mean less animals die in the grand scheme of things.

On February 09 2011 13:33 Lexpar wrote:



That makes no sense. Closer to a vegetarian? Its not like being a vegetarian makes you a better human being: ascends you to a higher plane or something. Being a vegetarian just means that less animals die in the grand scheme. Being "more a vegetarian than a carnivore" doesn't mean shit. You're an omnivore. Being a carnivore doesn't make you lawful evil or any shit like that, and vegetarians aren't neutral good or anything.

Your comment pisses me off.

On February 09 2011 13:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
I always enjoy how people claim to be of something for the greater good or to show that they won't stand for XYZ, but when it comes to another aspect that involves human beings more (buying clothes made by child-laborers, low-wager countries like China or Taiwan) they don't change their habits.

To each their own I suppose. But I say if you make the step to alter your habits to save animals, why not do it for your own species?

On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote:


I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants.

Prove me wrong?

On February 09 2011 13:57 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
Vegetarian for 20 years now. Never been healthier in my life. More power to you man!

On February 09 2011 13:54 Torte de Lini wrote:


The pigs are alive and born way before the effect of any stand of vegetarianism is made. So if all of us stop eating meat and cause the meat market to plummet, a lot of pigs die either way, just that no one consumes them.

In the long-run, it's a good idea, but with only a fraction eating meat, it just means pigs die, are not used and they don't produce as many pigs. The market doesn't shift its policies or values.

On February 09 2011 13:57 senichi wrote:
Not gonna lie, that is inhumane and cruel, but not all meat producing plants do that. We're not herbivores, it's insanely unhealthy to go about not eating meat/dairy, and all those glorious foodstuffs. Not eating it is only harming yourself, which in turn not only makes yourself suffer (Isn't that what you're fighting against, suffering animals? Guess what, humans are animals, too) and when you suffer, it makes your friends and families suffer. Not eating meat isn't going to stop ANY of this at all. In fact, it's disrespectful to the animals themselves. Native Americans, you know those people known for how in tune they were to the planet and animals that walk upon it, they not only ate meat, but they wore leather, and they made weapons and tools made out of bones. Why did they do this? Because when an animal dies, they want to make sure that it doesn't die for no reason. If you stop eating animals, all that's going to happen is the meat that's produced has a higher chance of going bad, and the lives you're trying to protect are going to be wasted because you're too blind to see any of this.

In my opinion, vegans are dicks.

On February 09 2011 13:58 HotKimchi wrote:


Omnivore for 22 years now. Never been healthier in my life. More power to you man!

On February 09 2011 13:36 Lexpar wrote:

I'm not going to research your argument. That makes no sense within the scheme of a debate. Why should I work to prove you right? If you want to make a point (that's fundamentally wrong in the first place), at least attempt support it. I've not heard of a single study that "proves" that human beings need meat". Every nutrient, vitamin, fat, and protein that is found in livestock can be found in plants.

Prove me wrong?

On February 09 2011 13:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:


That's actually the opposite of how it works.

On February 09 2011 14:04 BlindGamer wrote:


Thats the most moronic post Ive ever heard. You wont research his side of the argument since its 'obviously' wrong, then you demand that he proves you wrong.

'I've not heard of a single study that.....' THEN FUCKING RESEARCH FOR ONE YOU RETARD. Whether youre right or not atleast make yourself appear slightly better than an outright douche

Jesus

On February 09 2011 13:21 Firereaver wrote:
Seriously....-_-
I hate this cruelty porn tactic that people use to emotionally trap. So you'd have no problem in eating non-veg if the animals weren't brutally killed and slaughtered more ethically!

And please don't even start that "if there was no demand then wud not be any need for___" stuff. Man, some of you just have to realise that there are bigger issues than what we eat thats wrong with todays world.
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On February 09 2011 13:58 eshlow wrote:


Well, it's up to you to prove it wrong because you're claiming that everything is in things when they aren't.

Anyway, vegetarian/veganism is devoid of vitamin B12 / omega fatty acids are critical for metabolism and brain function/development. Vegetarian/vegan mother's literally are mentally retarding their kids by eating like that

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17729202
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787236
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9028851

On February 09 2011 14:13 Lexpar wrote:


Vegans can get B12 through fortified grains, soy products, and vitamin supplements. Flax seeds have a high concentration of omega fatty acids.

The argument that "lots of vegans don't know how to eat a healthy diet" doesn't hold water. Lots of omnivores don't consume the vitamins they need, but no one could possibly argue that an omnivorous diet is unhealthy. It's a blanket statement to suggest that all vegans are missing out on the foods their body needs. I take seaweed derived omega fatty acid pills and a multivitamin daily. I eat 2 heaping tablespoons of flax seeds every day at breakfast.

Vegans CAN get everything their body needs from their diet. Saying that lots don't dosen't mean much really.

On February 09 2011 14:12 Torte de Lini wrote:


Nice try. I, too, can beautifully illustrate the slaughtering of animals from a human's side.

It was a cool and beautiful day. Father Donald awoke before even the sun could rise. As he steps outside, he notices his beautiful farm animals have taken a stroll onto his pasture. The irony of his breakfast resembling the very animals he hears cooing their preschooled-taught sounds is comedic, yet... poetic. Today is a day of death for these animals and perhaps they know this, but as they naively sip their water from that half-barrel, grab another handful of grass from the hills, they realize their life is simple and is for the greater good of their human-bearer.

On February 09 2011 14:15 Kakera wrote:

I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Where are your eggs!!! precious precious egg omelet with ham chunks... *slobbers*

On February 09 2011 14:20 Torte de Lini wrote:


Who names their child Suzy? That story is so fake bro!

It's shot by the way, but that's beside the point.

Let's fix that.

Little Suzie dashed outside in her overalls. She wished Daddy didn't have to kill the animals, but Father Donald taught her the ways of life and how we, people, must rely on animals to feed and fend for ourselves. A reminder of this was echoed from his cellular phone, it was the market urging for help from Farmer Donald: "Please, you and many farmers like you who are trying to make a living for many centuries, are our supplies to meat and the growth of our children! I'm sorry, but you must slaughter those animals to feed and clothe us and perpetuate the lopsidedness of capitalism!"

Farmer Donald, despite how corporate-America has basically backslapped the agriculture sector (and thus perhaps why so many animals are so cruelly treated), did what was necessary. The methodology resulted in the same way, yet... the reasoning for those methods are ignored.

Farmer Donald delivered the meat, but gets all the blame.

On February 09 2011 14:14 Torte de Lini wrote:


How do you know you're more healthy than your friends. How do you know the differences of your healths is due to one eating meat and the other not.

I'm pretty sure allergy to peanuts is a physical insensitivity than the emotional-reaction of meat.

Apples and Oranges, very, very bias view.

On February 09 2011 14:13 Lexpar wrote:


Vegans can get B12 through fortified grains, soy products, and vitamin supplements. Flax seeds have a high concentration of omega fatty acids.

The argument that "lots of vegans don't know how to eat a healthy diet" doesn't hold water. Lots of omnivores don't consume the vitamins they need, but no one could possibly argue that an omnivorous diet is unhealthy. It's a blanket statement to suggest that all vegans are missing out on the foods their body needs. I take seaweed derived omega fatty acid pills and a multivitamin daily. I eat 2 heaping tablespoons of flax seeds every day at breakfast.

Vegans CAN get everything their body needs from their diet. Saying that lots don't dosen't mean much really.

On February 09 2011 14:03 Torte de Lini wrote:


You are presuming so many things that reexplaining what I'm saying is daunting and almost too irritating to do so.

Reread the post and try to refrain from making so many implications. There's only one Waldo to find my statements.

On February 09 2011 14:02 Lexpar wrote:


Ban me now. I don't want to browse this forum anymore. The fact that this much stupidity could be contained in such a small paragraph has caused me to lose all faith in this forum.

On February 09 2011 14:23 Horst wrote:
Eh. I'm not overly saddened by this. People have done just as worse to each other throughout history.

Nature is inherently cruel. There's nothing that can be done about it. In the end, animals are going to have to die, so I can have my steak.

Do the animals have to suffer beforehand? No, they don't. Give me an option to buy more humanely treated and killed animals, and I'll pay a little extra for it. But I'm not about to stop eating meat, something that the apex predators of this planet have done for millions of years.

On February 09 2011 14:24 Vorrenus wrote:
God I hate vegans, they think they're so better then the rest of us just because they don't eat meat, they can eat tree bark and it wont change anything. Cruelty like this is no news and by "being vegan" you don't stop it.

On February 09 2011 13:11 Tony Campolo wrote:
One of my 'likes' on Facebook is Animal Rights. This video was posted this morning. Some of the footage is from previous documentaries (such as Earthlings and The Cove). As someone who has been actively involved in the animal rights community for the past three years, it still makes me throw up to see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THIODWTqx5E&feature=player_embedded#at=688

For information regarding veganism health (e.g. nutrients etc), see www.vegan.org.nz.

On February 09 2011 14:22 eshlow wrote:


Ah yes, the old fortified/supplement argument.

So if I was in the 1800s I could get all these fortified foods to get vitamin B12 without eating meat, yeah?

Vegetarian/veganism were manufactured in the 1950s or whenever general mills started throwing vitamins and minerals into their garbage cereals.

Before then everyone ate meat because it was necessary to eat meat to you know.. actually stay alive and not get anemia.. because meat is a great source of omegas and B12.

Just because you can do it... and humans can do a lot of stuff... doesn't make it healthy.

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This is neither here nor there though I would suggest reading "the vegetarian myth" as well.

People are so set in their ways that they won't change even when presented with convincing arguments otherwise. Shrug. Good luck.

On February 09 2011 14:27 Horst wrote:
Prince, I rarely buy actual meat in a grocery store.... being a college student, the VAST majority of things I buy are frozen, pre-prepared foods. I'm not sure how tyson prepares their chicken patties, but if they want to charge a little extra for humane treatment, i'll pay it.

Also, I tried to post my comment on that youtube video... its "pending approval".

I have ZERO respect for ANY organization that would put a muzzle on free speech, just because it doesn't agree with their ideals.

In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.

On February 09 2011 14:35 Lexpar wrote:I would be fucking rich. It's sad that people shit on others who stand up for what they believe in. Some vegans are dicks. Some omnivores are dicks. Nobody in this thread who claims to be vegan has opened with an insult.

On February 09 2011 14:35 Lexpar wrote:
Nobody in this thread who claims to be vegan has opened with an insult.

On February 09 2011 14:40 Shigy wrote:
smug, psuedo-intellects come one come all, TL has a controversial topic to explore - this time with a graphic video!

On February 09 2011 14:51 senichi wrote:


Funny, you see what happened here? You tried to make a point, you had a thing going, but then this fiiiiinal sentence. BOOM. Point ruined. You were so close!

On February 09 2011 14:52 Lexpar wrote:


I can be more smug. I don't like to pull out the big guns, but:

Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Adolf Hitler, Mohandas Ghandi, and 3/4 of The Beatles were all vegetarians.

So, the two greatest scientists, two of the worlds greatest leaders, and 3/4ths of the most popular/financially successful artistic venture of the 20th century are all vegetarians.

Does it mean anything? Not really. It's absurd logic of vegetarian=greatness seems to fit well within the logic of some of the posters here.

On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote:
If you could actually watch the whole video with a straight face, you very well should eat meat.

I don't eat meat haven't for like 9 years now and even when I did it was just barely. It's a spiritual thing I guess. But for all you meat eaters you should seriously pay attention to what kind of meat you eat, whatever farmers do in attempts to mass produce those animals with chemicals or growth hormones etc; that stuff goes into your system. And you can't know for certain if those chemicals can give you cancer or other medical complications. I mean these days people are born with all kinds of allergies, some people aren't vegan by choice but by genetics.

The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy.

On February 09 2011 14:55 Meta wrote:


For every great vegetarian you can name, I can name 10 great non-vegetarians. So, of course it doesn't mean anything.

On February 09 2011 14:56 Lexpar wrote:


Yeah but my guys were the great-est! :p

It means nothing. I agree with you.

On February 09 2011 14:57 Shigy wrote:


they're by far the greatest, bro. i think you have me convinced. gonna go buy some celery

On February 09 2011 14:55 Shigy wrote:


i couldn't keep a straight face, but i don't think i can make the lifestyle change - or care to sacrifice taste in the name of animals.

energy pyramid? link to said pyramid? sounds like some bullshit to me if they're teaching you that plants "have the most amount of energy" although i'm not even sure what you even mean by that. are you referring to energy like calories or something spiritual and beyond me?

On February 09 2011 14:52 Lexpar wrote:


I can be more smug. I don't like to pull out the big guns, but:

Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Adolf Hitler, Mohandas Ghandi, and 3/4 of The Beatles were all vegetarians.

So, the two greatest scientists, two of the worlds greatest leaders, and 3/4ths of the most popular/financially successful artistic venture of the 20th century are all vegetarians.

Does it mean anything? Not really, but it's absurd logic of vegetarian=greatness seems to fit well within the logic of some of the posters here.

On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
[ sarcrasm ] I totally agree with this video. The issue of animals being killed the wrong way or treated bad is WAY more important than human rights, fighting for health care, making sure everyone in the world is fed and world peace all put together.

Animal cruelty is the one and only topic of any importance god has ever given man on this planet. (I threw in god for the lulz) We need to make sure that NO ONE feeds the starving people around the world before they've learned what to eat and why. And just because something like killing and eating animals has been part of human culture for thousands of years, that doesn't mean it shouldn't stop. This is just like sex, another thing that we as humans have been doing for thousands of years, it needs to end NOW. I could make a topic and post some pr0n to convince you of how wrong it is to have sex by showing you how it's done, but I won't. [ end sarcasm ]

In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.

On February 09 2011 15:01 Skeny wrote:
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism).

On February 09 2011 15:00 Prinny-tai wrote:



It doesn't make much sense to me until i thought about. It's a Biology thing. Basically if you eat something that eats a plant you only get a fraction of the original energy of that plant. At the bottom are plants and other things that produce their own sugars and nutrients, above that are animals that eat plants, above that are animals that eat other animals, and finally are animals that eat dead ones. Some of the energy is lost between each step(used by the previous level).I have no idea how he's connecting that to vegetarianism though.
(Vegetarian btw)

On February 09 2011 15:04 HotKimchi wrote:


Yeah and Charles Manson was one of the craziest mother fuckers in the world. So does that mean being vegan drives you nuts? Not really.

For that one vegan Olympian, there are many many more who eat both "balanced"

On February 09 2011 15:05 Shigy wrote:


i hate getting into semantics but he said that plants have the most energy? whatever that means. assuming he's referring to calories, it's still wildly inaccurate.

yeah of course energy is lost in between each step, because animals tend to use it when they eat, sleep, fuck, and shit. but since animals eat so many god damn plants (and other animals) they store up fat (energy?!) so that they can live without food for more than a few days. now, because animals eat a bunch of other plants (and animals) they have this accumulation of fat/energy/calories. pound for pound, animals have "more energy than plants'

the fuck am i even talking about? you guys are messed up lol

On February 09 2011 15:04 Helios.Star wrote:


Well its been proven that the human brain evolved the way it did because of the proteins/enzymes found in meat and fish, so I'm pretty sure those people claiming vegans dont have proper nutrition have a point. And if your nutritionist was surprised to learn you were a vegan, what does that say about most other vegans?

On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.

On February 09 2011 15:02 Ezekyle wrote:


Hitler wasn't actually vegetarian. Common myth.

On February 09 2011 15:04 Assault_1 wrote:


wow listen to this kid..

On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
[ sarcrasm ] I totally agree with this video. The issue of animals being killed the wrong way or treated bad is WAY more important than human rights, fighting for health care, making sure everyone in the world is fed and world peace all put together.

Animal cruelty is the one and only topic of any importance god has ever given man on this planet. (I threw in god for the lulz) We need to make sure that NO ONE feeds the starving people around the world before they've learned what to eat and why. And just because something like killing and eating animals has been part of human culture for thousands of years, that doesn't mean it shouldn't stop. This is just like sex, another thing that we as humans have been doing for thousands of years, it needs to end NOW. I could make a topic and post some pr0n to convince you of how wrong it is to have sex by showing you how it's done, but I won't. [ end sarcasm ]

In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.

On February 09 2011 15:08 Skeny wrote:


I'm just saying that if Carl Lewis can win 9 olympic golds on the track and be the greatest long jumper of all time, you can be vegan and healthy.

On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it

On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it

On February 09 2011 15:12 HotKimchi wrote:


Oh no doubt man. I used to train people in jujitsu and judo. One of the better guys we had was a little spanish dude who was a vegetarian. Much respect to the guy, he had heart.

But it isn't easy. You really have to keep an eye out to make sure you aren't getting any deficiencys.

Listen between all my smart ass comments and the sweet doom fanfic rip off I respect vegetarians and vegans. However I do not respect propaganda that is based off of emotion to get me to not eat meat.

On February 09 2011 14:45 speakerbox wrote:
I worked on a chicken farm ripping chickens out of their cages and throwing them into a grinder thing that killed them. Whatevs shit didnt phase

On February 09 2011 15:16 Skeny wrote:


Fair enough, and I respect that people want to eat meat, it is tasty afterall.

I just cant stand the bigotry that I have to deal with being vegitarian, even if people mean it jokingly.

On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it

On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:


I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb.

On February 09 2011 15:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
Wow this video really made me lose faith in humanity, how do people even get fooled by this type of material? It would really help if people could learn high school biology before making a stance on animal cruelty.

On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it

On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it

On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:

saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/

On February 09 2011 15:18 PrinceXizor wrote:

Meat isn't the only source of protein. I'm a vegetarian and I've had 110 grams of protein today. and none of it from meat or even tofu/meat substitutes. all of it is from whey protein, peanut butter, milk ect.

On February 09 2011 15:21 tbrown47 wrote:


i think the main issue was your lack of punctuation : /

On February 09 2011 13:33 roadrunner_sc wrote:


Where did he say veganism = end to animal cruelty?
Seriously, where does he say that?

What if, by some infinitesimal chance, someone so lacking in logic could be suggesting a simple way NOT TO TAKE PART IN ANIMAL CRUELTY? Could it possibly be? Why certainly not, if you say so.

On February 09 2011 15:19 darmousseh wrote:
Dude, Stop making me so hungry.

On February 09 2011 13:21 vOdToasT wrote:
I'm a vegetarian, pushin' up the prices for you guys. Problem, meat eaters?
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On February 09 2011 15:21 Lexpar wrote:


Other guys have got this covered, but let me reiterate: you're pretty wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lewis

Everything you need to know. This guys a vegan. No milk or eggs, or meat.

On February 09 2011 15:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
Wow this video really made me lose faith in humanity, how do people even get fooled by this type of material? It would really help if people could learn high school biology before making a stance on animal cruelty.

On February 09 2011 15:21 Delathar wrote:

im talking about gaining muscle mass as in you lift alot of weight and can become extremely strong with what you have and not have serious side affects is what my point is trying to point out

On February 09 2011 15:25 Skeny wrote:


Where in the natural world do we see animals selectively breeding other animals, filling them with artificial vitimans and hormones, putting them in tiny cages for their whole life and then brutally slaughtering them?

On February 09 2011 15:25 tbrown47 wrote:


I didn't really read the whole page... well not at all, actually. But I ctrl+F'd "veg" and found this phrase:

"Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990."

Then I looked at the top right of the page where it said his achievements, most of which were before 1990.

So... not buying it so much.

On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:

saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/

On February 09 2011 15:25 tbrown47 wrote:


I didn't really read the whole page... well not at all, actually. But I ctrl+F'd "veg" and found this phrase:

"Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990."

Then I looked at the top right of the page where it said his achievements, most of which were before 1990.

So... not buying it so much.

On February 09 2011 15:29 Lexpar wrote:


K I'll help you out. In 1991 he was 30 and beat the world record in the 100 m dash. Buying it?

On February 09 2011 15:21 Skeny wrote:


If a person tries to beat me up and can lift 340 lbs, I'm 100% sure that my lean vegitarian body will be able to outrun him. Problem solved and violence avoided.

On February 09 2011 15:30 FrozenFlare wrote:
Seriously what's wrong with eating meat, humans are carnivores and predators by nature (our eyes are both located at the front to lock onto prey), so what if some poor animal has to suffer a little before we devour it for survival.

The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores.

On February 09 2011 15:30 tbrown47 wrote:


I didn't say that it was impossible to be a vegan and be an amazing athlete, I just highly doubt that the vegan diet was the true cause of him being a good athlete.

He was a good athlete long before he became a vegan. I doubt it was him eating meat that held him back*.

edit: *from his peak

On February 09 2011 15:25 Skeny wrote:


High school biology doesn't stop me making a stance. The thing that I am truely opposed to is the industrialisation of animal slaughter. Animals eat other animals, that is natural. The way we treat chickens however is totally unnatural and deeply distrubing.

Where in the natural world do we see animals selectively breeding other animals, filling them with artificial vitimans and hormones, putting them in tiny cages for their whole life and then brutally slaughtering them?

On February 09 2011 15:32 Lexpar wrote:



Just saying. You implied that because he won more medals before going vegan it wasn't too impressive that he won more medals after going vegan. You admitted to not reading the article. I gave you the facts as to why its amazing.

He says its from his diet.

On February 09 2011 15:30 FrozenFlare wrote:
Seriously what's wrong with eating meat, humans are carnivores and predators by nature (our eyes are both located at the front to lock onto prey), so what if some poor animal has to suffer a little before we devour it for survival.

The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores.

On February 09 2011 15:18 PrinceXizor wrote:

Meat isn't the only source of protein. I'm a vegetarian and I've had 110 grams of protein today. and none of it from meat or even tofu/meat substitutes. all of it is from whey protein, peanut butter, milk ect.

On February 09 2011 15:21 Skeny wrote:


If a person tries to beat me up and can lift 340 lbs, I'm 100% sure that my lean vegitarian body will be able to outrun him. Problem solved and violence avoided.

On February 09 2011 15:30 FrozenFlare wrote:
Seriously what's wrong with eating meat, humans are carnivores and predators by nature (our eyes are both located at the front to lock onto prey), so what if some poor animal has to suffer a little before we devour it for survival.

The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores.

On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote:
The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy.

On February 09 2011 15:31 Delathar wrote:

ummmmm ok i will just point this out cause this is the main reason i brought that fucking up then how the hell will you protect your fucking family? this isn't some nice world and shit like that does happen sure a gun can definitely get it done but it is not always the case and there are people that are good enough to kill you relatively easily with their bare hands even if you have a gun without the muscle/speed you still will most likely die but there are circumstances and sure it works but if i was a vegetarian and unable to protect the people i love i would immediately not be vegetarian but you know some of the fastest people i know can run for miles and eat meat on a regular basis and i guarantee you would have no chance to beat them and for an example my brother runs 3-5 miles a day(military) he lifts around 260-280 bls maxing out and runs faster then any person i know even faster then my friend adam mostly because he is huge but even then he i still faster then me and you have to understand i weigh 140 bls,my brother 153 bls, and my friend adam around 165 ,we are very light and very fast

On February 09 2011 15:36 HotKimchi wrote:

Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.

Seriously, stop it.

Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.

You argument is "eat meat protect family"

That's not how it works,

On February 09 2011 15:33 tbrown47 wrote:


"Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990."

The quote again... it specifically says "in part" : /