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TheGreatWhiteHope_
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
February 09 2011 06:01 GMT
#141
This about sums up my opinion on this matter.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

For every animal you don't eat I'll eat three!
Skeny
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia121 Posts
February 09 2011 06:01 GMT
#142
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism).
<3 poopfeast420
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
February 09 2011 06:02 GMT
#143
On February 09 2011 14:52 Lexpar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 14:40 Shigy wrote:
smug, psuedo-intellects come one come all, TL has a controversial topic to explore - this time with a graphic video!


I can be more smug. I don't like to pull out the big guns, but:

Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Adolf Hitler, Mohandas Ghandi, and 3/4 of The Beatles were all vegetarians.

So, the two greatest scientists, two of the worlds greatest leaders, and 3/4ths of the most popular/financially successful artistic venture of the 20th century are all vegetarians.

Does it mean anything? Not really, but it's absurd logic of vegetarian=greatness seems to fit well within the logic of some of the posters here.


Hitler wasn't actually vegetarian. Common myth.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
February 09 2011 06:04 GMT
#144
On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
[ sarcrasm ] I totally agree with this video. The issue of animals being killed the wrong way or treated bad is WAY more important than human rights, fighting for health care, making sure everyone in the world is fed and world peace all put together.

Animal cruelty is the one and only topic of any importance god has ever given man on this planet. (I threw in god for the lulz) We need to make sure that NO ONE feeds the starving people around the world before they've learned what to eat and why. And just because something like killing and eating animals has been part of human culture for thousands of years, that doesn't mean it shouldn't stop. This is just like sex, another thing that we as humans have been doing for thousands of years, it needs to end NOW. I could make a topic and post some pr0n to convince you of how wrong it is to have sex by showing you how it's done, but I won't. [ end sarcasm ]

In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.


wow listen to this kid..
HotKimchi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States64 Posts
February 09 2011 06:04 GMT
#145
On February 09 2011 15:01 Skeny wrote:
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism).


Yeah and Charles Manson was one of the craziest mother fuckers in the world. So does that mean being vegan drives you nuts? Not really.

For that one vegan Olympian, there are many many more who eat both "balanced"
I'm terrible
Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
February 09 2011 06:04 GMT
#146
On February 09 2011 14:25 x-Catalyst wrote:
And to everyone saying that vegetarians/vegans don't get enough nutrients/vitamins, sorry to say, but you're misinformed. Yes there are some vegs out there that don't eat properly and don't know what to eat to stay healthy. But if they did, they would be as well off as anyone else. When a had a blood test taken to make sure I was healthy, my nutritionist was very surprised with my results when I told her I was vegan. I was all up and great with everything I should have been. The only thing I was low on or actually didn't have, was cholesterol. That's was the only thing I lacked.


Well its been proven that the human brain evolved the way it did because of the proteins/enzymes found in meat and fish, so I'm pretty sure those people claiming vegans dont have proper nutrition have a point. And if your nutritionist was surprised to learn you were a vegan, what does that say about most other vegans?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 06:06:00
February 09 2011 06:05 GMT
#147
I'm fine with people eating meat, but i'd definitely be happier if people stopped eating fast food meat and started cooking real burgers themselves or things like that. just because fast food is so unhealthy and full of chemicals and such. i don't want those chemicals affecting my genetic pool of women.
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
February 09 2011 06:05 GMT
#148
On February 09 2011 15:00 Prinny-tai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 14:55 Shigy wrote:
On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote:
If you could actually watch the whole video with a straight face, you very well should eat meat.

I don't eat meat haven't for like 9 years now and even when I did it was just barely. It's a spiritual thing I guess. But for all you meat eaters you should seriously pay attention to what kind of meat you eat, whatever farmers do in attempts to mass produce those animals with chemicals or growth hormones etc; that stuff goes into your system. And you can't know for certain if those chemicals can give you cancer or other medical complications. I mean these days people are born with all kinds of allergies, some people aren't vegan by choice but by genetics.

The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy.


i couldn't keep a straight face, but i don't think i can make the lifestyle change - or care to sacrifice taste in the name of animals.

energy pyramid? link to said pyramid? sounds like some bullshit to me if they're teaching you that plants "have the most amount of energy" although i'm not even sure what you even mean by that. are you referring to energy like calories or something spiritual and beyond me?



It doesn't make much sense to me until i thought about. It's a Biology thing. Basically if you eat something that eats a plant you only get a fraction of the original energy of that plant. At the bottom are plants and other things that produce their own sugars and nutrients, above that are animals that eat plants, above that are animals that eat other animals, and finally are animals that eat dead ones. Some of the energy is lost between each step(used by the previous level).I have no idea how he's connecting that to vegetarianism though.
(Vegetarian btw)


i hate getting into semantics but he said that plants have the most energy? whatever that means. assuming he's referring to calories, it's still wildly inaccurate.

yeah of course energy is lost in between each step, because animals tend to use it when they eat, sleep, fuck, and shit. but since animals eat so many god damn plants (and other animals) they store up fat (energy?!) so that they can live without food for more than a few days. now, because animals eat a bunch of other plants (and animals) they have this accumulation of fat/energy/calories. pound for pound, animals have "more energy than plants'

the fuck am i even talking about? you guys are messed up lol
Prinny-tai
Profile Joined November 2010
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 06:07:38
February 09 2011 06:07 GMT
#149
Yeah there's little to no evidence that Vegetarianism/Veganism will somehow make you "weak". Just like for anyone, the keys are having a diet that is healthy, meets your nutritional needs, and provides you with the energy you need for you day. There are plenty of omnivores that sit around munching chips and eating junk, there are plenty of vegetarians that do so as well.
The Khala is a religion of peace
Skeny
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia121 Posts
February 09 2011 06:08 GMT
#150
On February 09 2011 15:04 HotKimchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 15:01 Skeny wrote:
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism).


Yeah and Charles Manson was one of the craziest mother fuckers in the world. So does that mean being vegan drives you nuts? Not really.

For that one vegan Olympian, there are many many more who eat both "balanced"


I'm just saying that if Carl Lewis can win 9 olympic golds on the track and be the greatest long jumper of all time, you can be vegan and healthy.
<3 poopfeast420
Prinny-tai
Profile Joined November 2010
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 06:10:20
February 09 2011 06:09 GMT
#151
On February 09 2011 15:05 Shigy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 15:00 Prinny-tai wrote:
On February 09 2011 14:55 Shigy wrote:
On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote:
If you could actually watch the whole video with a straight face, you very well should eat meat.

I don't eat meat haven't for like 9 years now and even when I did it was just barely. It's a spiritual thing I guess. But for all you meat eaters you should seriously pay attention to what kind of meat you eat, whatever farmers do in attempts to mass produce those animals with chemicals or growth hormones etc; that stuff goes into your system. And you can't know for certain if those chemicals can give you cancer or other medical complications. I mean these days people are born with all kinds of allergies, some people aren't vegan by choice but by genetics.

The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy.


i couldn't keep a straight face, but i don't think i can make the lifestyle change - or care to sacrifice taste in the name of animals.

energy pyramid? link to said pyramid? sounds like some bullshit to me if they're teaching you that plants "have the most amount of energy" although i'm not even sure what you even mean by that. are you referring to energy like calories or something spiritual and beyond me?



It doesn't make much sense to me until i thought about. It's a Biology thing. Basically if you eat something that eats a plant you only get a fraction of the original energy of that plant. At the bottom are plants and other things that produce their own sugars and nutrients, above that are animals that eat plants, above that are animals that eat other animals, and finally are animals that eat dead ones. Some of the energy is lost between each step(used by the previous level).I have no idea how he's connecting that to vegetarianism though.
(Vegetarian btw)


i hate getting into semantics but he said that plants have the most energy? whatever that means. assuming he's referring to calories, it's still wildly inaccurate.

yeah of course energy is lost in between each step, because animals tend to use it when they eat, sleep, fuck, and shit. but since animals eat so many god damn plants (and other animals) they store up fat (energy?!) so that they can live without food for more than a few days. now, because animals eat a bunch of other plants (and animals) they have this accumulation of fat/energy/calories. pound for pound, animals have "more energy than plants'

the fuck am i even talking about? you guys are messed up lol



Yeah I have no idea what he was going on about, kid probably took some freshman bio class or something
The Khala is a religion of peace
Skeny
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia121 Posts
February 09 2011 06:09 GMT
#152
On February 09 2011 15:04 Helios.Star wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 14:25 x-Catalyst wrote:
And to everyone saying that vegetarians/vegans don't get enough nutrients/vitamins, sorry to say, but you're misinformed. Yes there are some vegs out there that don't eat properly and don't know what to eat to stay healthy. But if they did, they would be as well off as anyone else. When a had a blood test taken to make sure I was healthy, my nutritionist was very surprised with my results when I told her I was vegan. I was all up and great with everything I should have been. The only thing I was low on or actually didn't have, was cholesterol. That's was the only thing I lacked.


Well its been proven that the human brain evolved the way it did because of the proteins/enzymes found in meat and fish, so I'm pretty sure those people claiming vegans dont have proper nutrition have a point. And if your nutritionist was surprised to learn you were a vegan, what does that say about most other vegans?


That they don't balance their diets properly even though you can be perfeclty healthy and be vegan? Much like how there are plenty of obese people who eat meat.
<3 poopfeast420
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
February 09 2011 06:09 GMT
#153
On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger

- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.


colonize space. lolololololololol


human rights over world hunger? so its more important that janet can have an abortion than mik mak bok du can have a bowl of rice for the weekend?
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
February 09 2011 06:09 GMT
#154
The main reason I think we should eat more veggies (not ONLY veggies but just more) is because meat is somewhat inefficient. I think raising an animal takes 500x as much calories as the amount of calories it produces when eaten. I remember watching a few documentaries that eventually humans will have to rely less on meat.

Regardless, I'm sure they picked the worst of the worst for this video and not all places are like this. I love meat and try to buy the higher quality meat where the animals are treated better.
always tired -_-
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 06:11:15
February 09 2011 06:10 GMT
#155
On February 09 2011 15:02 Ezekyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 14:52 Lexpar wrote:
On February 09 2011 14:40 Shigy wrote:
smug, psuedo-intellects come one come all, TL has a controversial topic to explore - this time with a graphic video!


I can be more smug. I don't like to pull out the big guns, but:

Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Adolf Hitler, Mohandas Ghandi, and 3/4 of The Beatles were all vegetarians.

So, the two greatest scientists, two of the worlds greatest leaders, and 3/4ths of the most popular/financially successful artistic venture of the 20th century are all vegetarians.

Does it mean anything? Not really, but it's absurd logic of vegetarian=greatness seems to fit well within the logic of some of the posters here.


Hitler wasn't actually vegetarian. Common myth.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism

This is all I've ever read about it. It's not like I'm really trying to make a point. A lot of great people are vegetarians or vegans. Perhaps even a disproportionally large amount(although there is a lot of misinformation created by us vegetarians.) It doesn't really mean anything though. These great people became vegetarians after they became great in most cases. It's immature to reference, but its a lot less immature and backed up by more fact than a lot of the shitty arguments in this thread.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
February 09 2011 06:11 GMT
#156
On February 09 2011 15:04 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.


wow listen to this kid..

imo
It should be
-Build/Rebuild Strong Economy
-Diplomacy
-Globalize eSports
-Expand into Space
-End World Hunger
.
.
-Human Rights
.
.
.
.
-Animal Rights
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Skeny
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia121 Posts
February 09 2011 06:12 GMT
#157
On February 09 2011 14:29 Jayve wrote:
[ sarcrasm ] I totally agree with this video. The issue of animals being killed the wrong way or treated bad is WAY more important than human rights, fighting for health care, making sure everyone in the world is fed and world peace all put together.

Animal cruelty is the one and only topic of any importance god has ever given man on this planet. (I threw in god for the lulz) We need to make sure that NO ONE feeds the starving people around the world before they've learned what to eat and why. And just because something like killing and eating animals has been part of human culture for thousands of years, that doesn't mean it shouldn't stop. This is just like sex, another thing that we as humans have been doing for thousands of years, it needs to end NOW. I could make a topic and post some pr0n to convince you of how wrong it is to have sex by showing you how it's done, but I won't. [ end sarcasm ]

In all seriousness though, anyone fighting for animal rights before all humans are on a "somewhat" equal footing needs to get their priorities straight.

It goes like this:
- Human Rights
- Globalize eSports
- World Peace
- End World Hunger
- Colonize Space and find our nearest Mass Relay

Notice how Animal Rights is not even on the list.


I fail to see how these tasks interfere with us giving animals rights.

Furthermore given the amount of resources needed to rase cattle compared to vegitarian equivalent products like lentils. If we didn't eat meat there would be more food available to the poor thus helping end world hunger.
<3 poopfeast420
HotKimchi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States64 Posts
February 09 2011 06:12 GMT
#158
On February 09 2011 15:08 Skeny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 15:04 HotKimchi wrote:
On February 09 2011 15:01 Skeny wrote:
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism).


Yeah and Charles Manson was one of the craziest mother fuckers in the world. So does that mean being vegan drives you nuts? Not really.

For that one vegan Olympian, there are many many more who eat both "balanced"


I'm just saying that if Carl Lewis can win 9 olympic golds on the track and be the greatest long jumper of all time, you can be vegan and healthy.


Oh no doubt man. I used to train people in jujitsu and judo. One of the better guys we had was a little spanish dude who was a vegetarian. Much respect to the guy, he had heart.

But it isn't easy. You really have to keep an eye out to make sure you aren't getting any deficiencys.

Listen between all my smart ass comments and the sweet doom fanfic rip off I respect vegetarians and vegans. However I do not respect propaganda that is based off of emotion to get me to not eat meat.

I'm terrible
Delathar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States16 Posts
February 09 2011 06:13 GMT
#159
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it
we must man the torpedoes-Abraham Lincoln
Prinny-tai
Profile Joined November 2010
United States71 Posts
February 09 2011 06:15 GMT
#160
On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it

[citation needed]

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