EPT[Veganism] Fucking humanity - Page 10
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:21 Lexpar wrote: Other guys have got this covered, but let me reiterate: you're pretty wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lewis Everything you need to know. This guys a vegan. No milk or eggs, or meat. I didn't really read the whole page... well not at all, actually. But I ctrl+F'd "veg" and found this phrase: "Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990." Then I looked at the top right of the page where it said his achievements, most of which were before 1990. So... not buying it so much. | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:18 Chairman Ray wrote: Wow this video really made me lose faith in humanity, how do people even get fooled by this type of material? It would really help if people could learn high school biology before making a stance on animal cruelty. High school biology doesn't stop me making a stance. The thing that I am truely opposed to is the industrialisation of animal slaughter. Animals eat other animals, that is natural. The way we treat chickens however is totally unnatural and deeply distrubing. Where in the natural world do we see animals selectively breeding other animals, filling them with artificial vitimans and hormones, putting them in tiny cages for their whole life and then brutally slaughtering them? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Good luck on your vegan struggles!  | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:21 Delathar wrote: im talking about gaining muscle mass as in you lift alot of weight and can become extremely strong with what you have and not have serious side affects is what my point is trying to point out Oh so you mean working out. why can't vegetarians work out? working out doesn't involve meat? | ||
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CyberPitz
United States428 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:25 Skeny wrote: Where in the natural world do we see animals selectively breeding other animals, filling them with artificial vitimans and hormones, putting them in tiny cages for their whole life and then brutally slaughtering them? And that's why we are the top species on this planet. | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:25 tbrown47 wrote: I didn't really read the whole page... well not at all, actually. But I ctrl+F'd "veg" and found this phrase: "Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990." Then I looked at the top right of the page where it said his achievements, most of which were before 1990. So... not buying it so much. 1996 Long Jump gold medal, only man to win golds at 4 consecutive olympics 6 years after becoming vegan. "He reached the top of his career aged thirty on a vegan diet which he has claimed is better suited to him because he can eat a larger quantity without affecting his athleticism and he believes that switching to a vegan diet can lead to improved athletic performance" Still not buying it? How many other people over 35 have won a track gold in the professinal era? | ||
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote: saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ You really want me to pick this apart? Ok. Lets start with vegans not understanding protein. There are TONS of options for proteins available to vegans. Tofu, Beans, Lentils. and even more options for vegetarians. Cant get enough muscle to lift 340lbs? Dude do you realize how heavy that is? The average person can lift their own body weight. 240-340 Takes a long as time to work up towards. Unless of course you are the incredible hulk or maybe Thor. Your thing about protecting women and being murdered is LOLOLOL. Seriously that is one of the silliest points of argument I have ever seen in my entire life. You worried and not a big person? Buy a taser. Eating meat won't protect you from a thug with a bat or a knife. Also I'm going to college for sports science, focusing in nutrition. I also used to train jujitsu and judo and personally train meat eaters and vegetarians on a regular basis. Lined out for you in something that isn't a giant block of text and with decent spelling and grammar. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:25 tbrown47 wrote: I didn't really read the whole page... well not at all, actually. But I ctrl+F'd "veg" and found this phrase: "Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990." Then I looked at the top right of the page where it said his achievements, most of which were before 1990. So... not buying it so much. K I'll help you out. In 1991 he was 30 and beat the world record in the 100 m dash. Buying it? | ||
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FrozenFlare
Australia103 Posts
The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:29 Lexpar wrote: K I'll help you out. In 1991 he was 30 and beat the world record in the 100 m dash. Buying it? I didn't say that it was impossible to be a vegan and be an amazing athlete, I just highly doubt that the vegan diet was the true cause of him being a good athlete. He was a good athlete long before he became a vegan. I doubt it was him eating meat that held him back*. edit: *from his peak | ||
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Delathar
United States16 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:21 Skeny wrote: If a person tries to beat me up and can lift 340 lbs, I'm 100% sure that my lean vegitarian body will be able to outrun him. Problem solved and violence avoided. ummmmm ok i will just point this out cause this is the main reason i brought that fucking up then how the hell will you protect your fucking family? this isn't some nice world and shit like that does happen sure a gun can definitely get it done but it is not always the case and there are people that are good enough to kill you relatively easily with their bare hands even if you have a gun without the muscle/speed you still will most likely die but there are circumstances and sure it works but if i was a vegetarian and unable to protect the people i love i would immediately not be vegetarian but you know some of the fastest people i know can run for miles and eat meat on a regular basis and i guarantee you would have no chance to beat them and for an example my brother runs 3-5 miles a day(military) he lifts around 260-280 bls maxing out and runs faster then any person i know even faster then my friend adam mostly because he is huge but even then he i still faster then me and you have to understand i weigh 140 bls,my brother 153 bls, and my friend adam around 165 ,we are very light and very fast | ||
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:30 FrozenFlare wrote: Seriously what's wrong with eating meat, humans are carnivores and predators by nature (our eyes are both located at the front to lock onto prey), so what if some poor animal has to suffer a little before we devour it for survival. The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores. Holy shit. Please tell me you are trolling man. I really am at a loss of words. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:30 tbrown47 wrote: I didn't say that it was impossible to be a vegan and be an amazing athlete, I just highly doubt that the vegan diet was the true cause of him being a good athlete. He was a good athlete long before he became a vegan. I doubt it was him eating meat that held him back*. edit: *from his peak Just saying. You implied that because he won more medals before going vegan it wasn't too impressive that he won more medals after going vegan. You admitted to not reading the article. I gave you the facts as to why its amazing. He says its from his diet. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:25 Skeny wrote: High school biology doesn't stop me making a stance. The thing that I am truely opposed to is the industrialisation of animal slaughter. Animals eat other animals, that is natural. The way we treat chickens however is totally unnatural and deeply distrubing. Where in the natural world do we see animals selectively breeding other animals, filling them with artificial vitimans and hormones, putting them in tiny cages for their whole life and then brutally slaughtering them? As I said in the post you quoted, it really helps to understand high school biology before making such a stance. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:32 Lexpar wrote: Just saying. You implied that because he won more medals before going vegan it wasn't too impressive that he won more medals after going vegan. You admitted to not reading the article. I gave you the facts as to why its amazing. He says its from his diet. "Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990." The quote again... it specifically says "in part" : / | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:30 FrozenFlare wrote: Seriously what's wrong with eating meat, humans are carnivores and predators by nature (our eyes are both located at the front to lock onto prey), so what if some poor animal has to suffer a little before we devour it for survival. The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores. What is wrong imo: -We don't like to see others, including animals, suffering. -They don't just suffer a little, they suffer their entire lives (in some cases). -Because we don't have to eat animals to survive or be healthy anymore. -The resources required to rase animals are huge so we could feed a lot more people by adopting vegitarianism. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:18 PrinceXizor wrote: Meat isn't the only source of protein. I'm a vegetarian and I've had 110 grams of protein today. and none of it from meat or even tofu/meat substitutes. all of it is from whey protein, peanut butter, milk ect. 110...Thats almost half of what i need, I think i take that in by 2pm. Not to mention peanut butter is both processed and a lectin, and you cant really defend milk or any dairy if you are a vegetarian for ethical reasons. On February 09 2011 15:21 Skeny wrote: If a person tries to beat me up and can lift 340 lbs, I'm 100% sure that my lean vegitarian body will be able to outrun him. Problem solved and violence avoided. I'm 100% sure my significantly larger and probably leaner ominvore body can chase you down and beat you up after i warm up with a few squat reps at 340. If you havent noticed, there is a significant amount of athletes in this world that eat meat, and are much stronger, faster, and more explosive than your average vegan. Obviously the average bum who sits on his ass eating mcdonalds is probably out of shape, but please acknowledge they are not the only people in the world. Yeah delathar has a lackluster way of conveying his thoughts, probably isn't the brightest, and a complete lack of desired citation, but that doesnt mean he's entirely wrong. | ||
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Yushike
United States44 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:30 FrozenFlare wrote: Seriously what's wrong with eating meat, humans are carnivores and predators by nature (our eyes are both located at the front to lock onto prey), so what if some poor animal has to suffer a little before we devour it for survival. The only meat I don't eat is meat of other carnivores. I don't think that most vegetarians/vegans have a problem with people that eat meat, rather than the process that goes into it. Yeah, we're supposed to eat meat, and it's delicious, but as someone who loves his meat, the video on the OP is just wrong. :| Guys, if it was impossible to live without meat/dairy, there wouldn't be so many vegans out there. I would never choose a life without eating meat, but my sister used to be a vegetarian, and although it takes a lot more precautions than someone who can eat whatever they want, it's definitely possible. Think of it like selective allergies. Lactose intolerant people get their intake of what they need, so can vegans. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote: The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy. What the hell, that makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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