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On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it
I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb.
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On February 09 2011 15:12 HotKimchi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:08 Skeny wrote:On February 09 2011 15:04 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:01 Skeny wrote:
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism). Yeah and Charles Manson was one of the craziest mother fuckers in the world. So does that mean being vegan drives you nuts? Not really. For that one vegan Olympian, there are many many more who eat both "balanced" I'm just saying that if Carl Lewis can win 9 olympic golds on the track and be the greatest long jumper of all time, you can be vegan and healthy. Oh no doubt man. I used to train people in jujitsu and judo. One of the better guys we had was a little spanish dude who was a vegetarian. Much respect to the guy, he had heart. But it isn't easy. You really have to keep an eye out to make sure you aren't getting any deficiencys. Listen between all my smart ass comments and the sweet doom fanfic rip off I respect vegetarians and vegans. However I do not respect propaganda that is based off of emotion to get me to not eat meat.
Fair enough, and I respect that people want to eat meat, it is tasty afterall.
I just cant stand the bigotry that I have to deal with being vegitarian, even if people mean it jokingly.
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I'm a Carnivore at heart, and at the top of the food chain. If some dinner has to suffer for me to survive, so be it.
You don't see lions going vegan whenever they drag a live animal by the neck back to their children for it to live while it watches little guys pull its intestines out.
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On February 09 2011 14:45 speakerbox wrote:
I worked on a chicken farm ripping chickens out of their cages and throwing them into a grinder thing that killed them. Whatevs shit didnt phase
LOL
yea but seriously i dont understand how people can so actively promote vegetarianism/veganism when such horrible things are happening to members of their own species in 3rd world countries.
oh well
edit:
not even just 3rd world countries
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On February 09 2011 15:16 Skeny wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:12 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:08 Skeny wrote:On February 09 2011 15:04 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:01 Skeny wrote:
For those who seem to think that veganism/vegitarianism makes you unhealthy or weak, what about Carl Lewis. He's Probably the greatest olympian ever and he's a vegan. (He also credis part of his success to veganism). Yeah and Charles Manson was one of the craziest mother fuckers in the world. So does that mean being vegan drives you nuts? Not really. For that one vegan Olympian, there are many many more who eat both "balanced" I'm just saying that if Carl Lewis can win 9 olympic golds on the track and be the greatest long jumper of all time, you can be vegan and healthy. Oh no doubt man. I used to train people in jujitsu and judo. One of the better guys we had was a little spanish dude who was a vegetarian. Much respect to the guy, he had heart. But it isn't easy. You really have to keep an eye out to make sure you aren't getting any deficiencys. Listen between all my smart ass comments and the sweet doom fanfic rip off I respect vegetarians and vegans. However I do not respect propaganda that is based off of emotion to get me to not eat meat. Fair enough, and I respect that people want to eat meat, it is tasty afterall. I just cant stand the bigotry that I have to deal with being vegitarian, even if people mean it jokingly.
Me and you are like reznov and mason off of black ops.
You can be reznov though. I don't want to die.
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On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it
Meat isn't the only source of protein. I'm a vegetarian and I've had 110 grams of protein today. and none of it from meat or even tofu/meat substitutes. all of it is from whey protein, peanut butter, milk ect.
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Wow this video really made me lose faith in humanity, how do people even get fooled by this type of material? It would really help if people could learn high school biology before making a stance on animal cruelty.
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Dude, Stop making me so hungry.
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On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb.
saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/
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On February 09 2011 15:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
Wow this video really made me lose faith in humanity, how do people even get fooled by this type of material? It would really help if people could learn high school biology before making a stance on animal cruelty.
It is propaganda.
You show the worst parts of what you are trying to deface.
You show the best of yourself.
It's almost like a marketing tactic. No ones gonna sell you speakers and say "these are really cheap! but they sound like complete dick!"
They will just tell you the good.
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On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it
Other guys have got this covered, but let me reiterate: you're pretty wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lewis
Everything you need to know. This guys a vegan. No milk or eggs, or meat.
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On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it
If a person tries to beat me up and can lift 340 lbs, I'm 100% sure that my lean vegitarian body will be able to outrun him. Problem solved and violence avoided.
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On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/
i think the main issue was your lack of punctuation : /
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On February 09 2011 15:18 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it Meat isn't the only source of protein. I'm a vegetarian and I've had 110 grams of protein today. and none of it from meat or even tofu/meat substitutes. all of it is from whey protein, peanut butter, milk ect.
im talking about gaining muscle mass as in you lift alot of weight and can become extremely strong with what you have and not have serious side affects is what my point is trying to point out
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On February 09 2011 15:21 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ i think the main issue was your lack of punctuation : /
doesn't mean im dumb, all that means is i hate grammar with a passion but i do know how to do it correctly -_-
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Okay, I agree that what's going on in the food industry is wrong. However, going vegan/vegetarian isn't going to do anything, absolutely nothing. The reason this is happening is because there are fast food restaurants that are able to sell hamburgers for $1.00 you just can't sell something that cheap for how much effort should go into making that same amount of meat. I don't like to use the word "poor people" but those people who can't afford to buy organic meat (ethically raised and slaughtered) are driving these practices. I myself, being a poor college student, is also allowing this to go on by buying pre-prepared food as well as fast food.
Another serious problem is the lack of government reform. Many ex-executives of beef production companies are now in public office and preventing any sort of reform to help stop things like this.
If you really want to get down to why things like this happen (OP's video) you should watch Food.inc it's on netflicks instant play if you want to watch it. Really changes the way that you think about food. It doesn't make you want to stop eating meat but to start buying organic foods, every purchase is a small step in the food reform efforts which are badly needed.
You might want to change your topic title, it's a little harsh...
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On February 09 2011 13:33 roadrunner_sc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 13:19 Zealotdriver wrote:
Lulz, failure by the OP to exercise simple logic. It may shock you to learn this, but refusing to eat animal products does not stop cruelty to animals. Where did he say veganism = end to animal cruelty? Seriously, where does he say that? What if, by some infinitesimal chance, someone so lacking in logic could be suggesting a simple way NOT TO TAKE PART IN ANIMAL CRUELTY? Could it possibly be? Why certainly not, if you say so.
Hmmm an animal cruelty video in a self titled vegan thread. IIRC the op opened with The Cove and then went on to mention veganism. He she it may not have said it concretely but the implications are there.
OT For all you vegans how many animals such as field mice die when the crops you eat are harvested and when ecosystems are destroyed to become farmland? Not sayn us meat eaters are any better, but at least were not ignorant of this shit.
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On February 09 2011 15:19 darmousseh wrote:
Dude, Stop making me so hungry.
This about sums it up. I feel like ripping into a big thing o' meat right now. Mouth waters for the taste of blood. Did I mention I like my Steak Medium-Rare?
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On February 09 2011 13:21 vOdToasT wrote:
I'm a vegetarian, pushin' up the prices for you guys. Problem, meat eaters?
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I don't see how, unless you mean through litigation against the meat producers?
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