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On February 09 2011 15:31 Delathar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:21 Skeny wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it If a person tries to beat me up and can lift 340 lbs, I'm 100% sure that my lean vegitarian body will be able to outrun him. Problem solved and violence avoided. ummmmm ok i will just point this out cause this is the main reason i brought that fucking up then how the hell will you protect your fucking family? this isn't some nice world and shit like that does happen sure a gun can definitely get it done but it is not always the case and there are people that are good enough to kill you relatively easily with their bare hands even if you have a gun without the muscle/speed you still will most likely die but there are circumstances and sure it works but if i was a vegetarian and unable to protect the people i love i would immediately not be vegetarian but you know some of the fastest people i know can run for miles and eat meat on a regular basis and i guarantee you would have no chance to beat them and for an example my brother runs 3-5 miles a day(military) he lifts around 260-280 bls maxing out and runs faster then any person i know even faster then my friend adam mostly because he is huge but even then he i still faster then me and you have to understand i weigh 140 bls,my brother 153 bls, and my friend adam around 165 ,we are very light and very fast
Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.
Seriously, stop it.
Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.
You argument is "eat meat protect family"
That's not how it works,
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My question for all of you is if a vegan lactates...IS IT SOYMILK!?!??!?!?!? O.O
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On February 09 2011 15:36 HotKimchi wrote:
Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.
Seriously, stop it.
Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.
You argument is "eat meat protect family"
That's not how it works,
but meat make strong use muscle stop enemy
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On February 09 2011 15:33 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:32 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:30 tbrown47 wrote:On February 09 2011 15:29 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:25 tbrown47 wrote:On February 09 2011 15:21 Lexpar wrote:Other guys have got this covered, but let me reiterate: you're pretty wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_LewisEverything you need to know. This guys a vegan. No milk or eggs, or meat. I didn't really read the whole page... well not at all, actually. But I ctrl+F'd "veg" and found this phrase: "Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990." Then I looked at the top right of the page where it said his achievements, most of which were before 1990. So... not buying it so much. K I'll help you out. In 1991 he was 30 and beat the world record in the 100 m dash. Buying it? I didn't say that it was impossible to be a vegan and be an amazing athlete, I just highly doubt that the vegan diet was the true cause of him being a good athlete. He was a good athlete long before he became a vegan. I doubt it was him eating meat that held him back*. edit: *from his peak Just saying. You implied that because he won more medals before going vegan it wasn't too impressive that he won more medals after going vegan. You admitted to not reading the article. I gave you the facts as to why its amazing. He says its from his diet. "Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990." The quote again... it specifically says "in part" : /
It doesn't matter. Its the classic internet argument of neither of us really knowing what we're talking about and just arguing about it cause it sucks being wrong on the internet. I dunno why CL won. Neither do you.
I just linked his wiki-page to prove to that one chuckle-knuckle who was saying you cant be a proper athlete without meat derived protein.
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On February 09 2011 15:37 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:36 HotKimchi wrote:
Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.
Seriously, stop it.
Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.
You argument is "eat meat protect family"
That's not how it works,
but meat make strong use muscle stop enemy
You're awesome.
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On February 09 2011 15:28 HotKimchi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ You really want me to pick this apart? Ok. Lets start with vegans not understanding protein. There are TONS of options for proteins available to vegans. Tofu, Beans, Lentils. and even more options for vegetarians. Cant get enough muscle to lift 340lbs? Dude do you realize how heavy that is? The average person can lift their own body weight. 240-340 Takes a long as time to work up towards. Unless of course you are the incredible hulk or maybe Thor. Your thing about protecting women and being murdered is LOLOLOL. Seriously that is one of the silliest points of argument I have ever seen in my entire life. You worried and not a big person? Buy a taser. Eating meat won't protect you from a thug with a bat or a knife. Also I'm going to college for sports science, focusing in nutrition. I also used to train jujitsu and judo and personally train meat eaters and vegetarians on a regular basis. Lined out for you in something that isn't a giant block of text and with decent spelling and grammar.
dude lifting 240-340 bls does not take that long to build up to at most maybe 2 years but not that long.
When the best fighters are meat eaters you know for a fact that eating meat helps with fighting and i shall point out ufc for my judgment and from my sources most if not all of them eat meat making my argument here very valid.
When someone attacks you without warning especially when your out doing stuff you will most likely not have a tazer/gun with you to help, but the muscle will always be there and it helps with speed/agility(only when youg et into the 320-670 bls of lifting does muscle interfere with speed and i know only running speed but as far as im concerned it does not interfere with punching/reflex speed.
next time you criticize someone please realize that most if not all the people on this forum have some form of intelligence
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On February 09 2011 15:38 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:37 tbrown47 wrote:On February 09 2011 15:36 HotKimchi wrote:
Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.
Seriously, stop it.
Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.
You argument is "eat meat protect family"
That's not how it works,
but meat make strong use muscle stop enemy You're awesome.
i agree, there is no possible argument against that statement. i concede, it is wrong to let others eat meat while i do not myself.
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On February 09 2011 15:35 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote:
The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy. What the hell, that makes absolutely no sense.
It reminds me of the best argument that I've heard for vegetarianism or veganism, which was entropy-- the energy from the sun is converted to stored energy in plants (via chlorophyll, with some energy lost to entropy) , which is then converted by animals into another form of stored energy (again, further conversion costs energy to entropy), which we then convert into usable energy (further loss of energy via entropy). By cutting out the animal intermediary we reduce the energy lost to entropy.
I am, regardless, an omnivore; but the argument is still compelling, regardless of my affinity to cheese and eggs.
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The video is disturbing to me slightly because of how industrialized the slaughter is, but as for the particular images, I grew up partially in the village and those scenes were not really that rare. Killing a pig was pretty gruesome imagery, yet that is how it is. I love meat and the only thing that should be done in my opinion is to force meat producers to make the process reasonably humane.
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On February 09 2011 15:39 Delathar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:28 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ You really want me to pick this apart? Ok. Lets start with vegans not understanding protein. There are TONS of options for proteins available to vegans. Tofu, Beans, Lentils. and even more options for vegetarians. Cant get enough muscle to lift 340lbs? Dude do you realize how heavy that is? The average person can lift their own body weight. 240-340 Takes a long as time to work up towards. Unless of course you are the incredible hulk or maybe Thor. Your thing about protecting women and being murdered is LOLOLOL. Seriously that is one of the silliest points of argument I have ever seen in my entire life. You worried and not a big person? Buy a taser. Eating meat won't protect you from a thug with a bat or a knife. Also I'm going to college for sports science, focusing in nutrition. I also used to train jujitsu and judo and personally train meat eaters and vegetarians on a regular basis. Lined out for you in something that isn't a giant block of text and with decent spelling and grammar. dude lifting 240-340 bls does not take that long to build up to at most maybe 2 years but not that long. When the best fighters are meat eaters you know for a fact that eating meat helps with fighting and i shall point out ufc for my judgment and from my sources most if not all of them eat meat making my argument here very valid. When someone attacks you without warning especially when your out doing stuff you will most likely not have a tazer/gun with you to help, but the muscle will always be there and it helps with speed/agility(only when youg et into the 320-670 bls of lifting does muscle interfere with speed and i know only running speed but as far as im concerned it does not interfere with punching/reflex speed. next time you criticize someone please realize that most if not all the people on this forum have some form of intelligence
I hope you enjoy making a complete ass of yourself on the interwebs. Cause you are doing a damn good job at it.
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On February 09 2011 15:39 Delathar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:28 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ You really want me to pick this apart? Ok. Lets start with vegans not understanding protein. There are TONS of options for proteins available to vegans. Tofu, Beans, Lentils. and even more options for vegetarians. Cant get enough muscle to lift 340lbs? Dude do you realize how heavy that is? The average person can lift their own body weight. 240-340 Takes a long as time to work up towards. Unless of course you are the incredible hulk or maybe Thor. Your thing about protecting women and being murdered is LOLOLOL. Seriously that is one of the silliest points of argument I have ever seen in my entire life. You worried and not a big person? Buy a taser. Eating meat won't protect you from a thug with a bat or a knife. Also I'm going to college for sports science, focusing in nutrition. I also used to train jujitsu and judo and personally train meat eaters and vegetarians on a regular basis. Lined out for you in something that isn't a giant block of text and with decent spelling and grammar. dude lifting 240-340 bls does not take that long to build up to at most maybe 2 years but not that long. When the best fighters are meat eaters you know for a fact that eating meat helps with fighting and i shall point out ufc for my judgment and from my sources most if not all of them eat meat making my argument here very valid. When someone attacks you without warning especially when your out doing stuff you will most likely not have a tazer/gun with you to help, but the muscle will always be there and it helps with speed/agility(only when youg et into the 320-670 bls of lifting does muscle interfere with speed and i know only running speed but as far as im concerned it does not interfere with punching/reflex speed. next time you criticize someone please realize that most if not all the people on this forum have some form of intelligence
You're coming off stupid, using incorrect abbreviations, grossly oversimplying things, and making blanket statements concerning random arguments as well as saying completely incorrect things.
As i finished typing this i realized i got trolled T_T
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On February 09 2011 15:35 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 14:51 KingAce wrote:
The advantage of vegetarianism according to the energy pyramid; herbivores get more energy than carnivores, because plants have the most amount of energy. What the hell, that makes absolutely no sense.
That makes perfect sense if you understand Biology and how energy is lost as it moves up through the food chain. For example, a goat eating grass processes only 10% of the total calories that the grass has. When we eat that goat, we only get 10% of the energy from the goat. So when you eat meat, you are only getting 1% of the energy in the form of calories that is available.
However, if you decide to not eat meat or eat less meat and eat more green plants such as lettuce, broccoli, grains, etc, in theory, there will be more food left over to feed the rest of the world. This is especially true in countries like the United States where beef is produced largely from industrialized cow farms where the animals are fed corn rather than allowed to graze sustainably on grass.
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On February 09 2011 15:37 Lexpar wrote:
It doesn't matter. Its the classic internet argument of neither of us really knowing what we're talking about and just arguing about it cause it sucks being wrong on the internet. I dunno why CL won. Neither do you.
I just linked his wiki-page to prove to that one chuckle-knuckle who was saying you cant be a proper athlete without meat derived protein.
Yeah... but the problem is you brought up the argument... you have to defend it well... which you aren't really doing. If your argument is that you can be an athlete while being a vegan, obviously that is true. Does being a vegan make you a better athlete? There really isn't any decisive evidence. Does being an omnivore make you a better athlete? Well... yeah I'd have to say so. Considering most athletes eat meat I'd have to say that most likely eating meat is more healthy than not eating meat.
It is a guess, obviously, but a guess that I'd conjecture most would side with me on.
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On February 09 2011 15:38 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:37 tbrown47 wrote:On February 09 2011 15:36 HotKimchi wrote:
Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.
Seriously, stop it.
Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.
You argument is "eat meat protect family"
That's not how it works,
but meat make strong use muscle stop enemy You're awesome.
i agree i laughed :D
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On February 09 2011 15:39 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:38 Lexpar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:37 tbrown47 wrote:On February 09 2011 15:36 HotKimchi wrote:
Oh shit he is faster than Adam? I better step the fuck back.
Seriously, stop it.
Read my post picking apart yours. Cause I am not doing it again. You are being ridiculous man. Your stories are just that, stories.
You argument is "eat meat protect family"
That's not how it works,
but meat make strong use muscle stop enemy You're awesome. i agree, there is no possible argument against that statement. i concede, it is wrong to let others eat meat while i do not myself.
Wait what? Confused :X
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If you eat meat or not animals would still die.
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Seen lots of videos like the ones in the OP, and also seen where animals usually come from regarding food [ not as violent ] so not disturbed by that anymore.
As a wise man once said.
Veganism is a first world luxury.
- Anthony Bourdain
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On February 09 2011 15:41 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:39 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:28 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ You really want me to pick this apart? Ok. Lets start with vegans not understanding protein. There are TONS of options for proteins available to vegans. Tofu, Beans, Lentils. and even more options for vegetarians. Cant get enough muscle to lift 340lbs? Dude do you realize how heavy that is? The average person can lift their own body weight. 240-340 Takes a long as time to work up towards. Unless of course you are the incredible hulk or maybe Thor. Your thing about protecting women and being murdered is LOLOLOL. Seriously that is one of the silliest points of argument I have ever seen in my entire life. You worried and not a big person? Buy a taser. Eating meat won't protect you from a thug with a bat or a knife. Also I'm going to college for sports science, focusing in nutrition. I also used to train jujitsu and judo and personally train meat eaters and vegetarians on a regular basis. Lined out for you in something that isn't a giant block of text and with decent spelling and grammar. dude lifting 240-340 bls does not take that long to build up to at most maybe 2 years but not that long. When the best fighters are meat eaters you know for a fact that eating meat helps with fighting and i shall point out ufc for my judgment and from my sources most if not all of them eat meat making my argument here very valid. When someone attacks you without warning especially when your out doing stuff you will most likely not have a tazer/gun with you to help, but the muscle will always be there and it helps with speed/agility(only when youg et into the 320-670 bls of lifting does muscle interfere with speed and i know only running speed but as far as im concerned it does not interfere with punching/reflex speed. next time you criticize someone please realize that most if not all the people on this forum have some form of intelligence You're coming off stupid, using incorrect abbreviations, grossly oversimplying things, and making blanket statements concerning random arguments as well as saying completely incorrect things. As i finished typing this i realized i got trolled T_T
u mad ?
edit: though i do think eating meat helps build muscle thus helping protect your family but other then that not really
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So first I watched Earthlings and then I watched this Youtube video.
But I still eat meat though. So delicious.
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On February 09 2011 15:44 Delathar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 15:41 decafchicken wrote:On February 09 2011 15:39 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:28 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:20 Delathar wrote:On February 09 2011 15:16 HotKimchi wrote:On February 09 2011 15:13 Delathar wrote:
To be honest vegans/vegetarians dont understand the fact that if you do not have enough protein you cannot build muscle as in you will not gain muscle enough to lift 200-340 bls just based on the fact you don't have the protein your body needs to build that kind of muscle but on a lighter note i do not mind vegetarians that eat fish ect im cool with that but eating no meat at all is very bad for your body to gain the necesary muscle to work hard and gain muscle mass but those that say they are healthy from a doctors point of view let me point this out if a person that can lift 200 bls (to the guys because girls we are supposed to protect) tries to kill you/beat the crap out of you/steal your stuff would you have any chance of stopping him? probably not even with your supposedly better health you do not have the muscle nor the physical capabilities of beating him speed,power.agility,and overall being more physically fit will ultimately prove that all those times you chose to not eat meat are retarded cause your now poorer then you were but you know what do i know maybe there is something that will let you gain muscle just like eating meat although tbh i doubt it I hope you re-read that and realize that you have a serious case of the dumb. saying that im dumb and explaining why i am dumb is a good idea but you know just saying someone is dumb is like pointing out a triangle has 3 sides it doesn't really prove anything except that you like flaming people grats man i feel really proud of you /sarcasm/ You really want me to pick this apart? Ok. Lets start with vegans not understanding protein. There are TONS of options for proteins available to vegans. Tofu, Beans, Lentils. and even more options for vegetarians. Cant get enough muscle to lift 340lbs? Dude do you realize how heavy that is? The average person can lift their own body weight. 240-340 Takes a long as time to work up towards. Unless of course you are the incredible hulk or maybe Thor. Your thing about protecting women and being murdered is LOLOLOL. Seriously that is one of the silliest points of argument I have ever seen in my entire life. You worried and not a big person? Buy a taser. Eating meat won't protect you from a thug with a bat or a knife. Also I'm going to college for sports science, focusing in nutrition. I also used to train jujitsu and judo and personally train meat eaters and vegetarians on a regular basis. Lined out for you in something that isn't a giant block of text and with decent spelling and grammar. dude lifting 240-340 bls does not take that long to build up to at most maybe 2 years but not that long. When the best fighters are meat eaters you know for a fact that eating meat helps with fighting and i shall point out ufc for my judgment and from my sources most if not all of them eat meat making my argument here very valid. When someone attacks you without warning especially when your out doing stuff you will most likely not have a tazer/gun with you to help, but the muscle will always be there and it helps with speed/agility(only when youg et into the 320-670 bls of lifting does muscle interfere with speed and i know only running speed but as far as im concerned it does not interfere with punching/reflex speed. next time you criticize someone please realize that most if not all the people on this forum have some form of intelligence You're coming off stupid, using incorrect abbreviations, grossly oversimplying things, and making blanket statements concerning random arguments as well as saying completely incorrect things. As i finished typing this i realized i got trolled T_T u mad ? edit: though i do think eating meat helps build muscle thus helping protect your family but other then that not really
Google image what a troll really is. All you bro, all you.
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