EPTDon't get me wrong I don't support torturing animals, but we are omnivorous by nature, denying that is just bs.
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
Don't get me wrong I don't support torturing animals, but we are omnivorous by nature, denying that is just bs. | ||
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Delathar
United States16 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:36 ScK wrote: My question for all of you is if a vegan lactates...IS IT SOYMILK!?!??!?!?!? O.O LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:46 nOia.pod wrote: I've tried, just for a week to eat like a vegan, just because I was curious and sorry to say, but I cannot understand that philosphy. I was literally starving, however I ate huge amount of food every day. Not to mention my stomach was so fucked up by the end of the week. Don't get me wrong I don't support torturing animals, but we are omnivorous by nature, denying that is just bs. You have to do it right and for more than a week. Your body has to adjust to the sudden change of diet and reshape itself. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:46 nOia.pod wrote: I've tried, just for a week to eat like a vegan, just because I was curious and sorry to say, but I cannot understand that philosphy. I was literally starving, however I ate huge amount of food every day. Not to mention my stomach was so fucked up by the end of the week. Don't get me wrong I don't support torturing animals, but we are omnivorous by nature, denying that is just bs. The problem isnt veganism, the problem is that youre terrible at making vegan food ^^ | ||
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decafchicken
United States20052 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:47 Lexpar wrote: Yo it's not 40k BC you don't need big muscles to protect your family. We have a police force for that. With guns. They're certainly useful for sports and making your everyday life easier, being healthier, living longer, etc. Not saying that they're necessary, but a degree of muscle mass is certainly beneficial and easier to gain an on omnivore diet. ![[image loading]](http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/6/23/10/vegan-carnivore-32432-1245766652-3.jpg) | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:47 HotKimchi wrote: You have to do it right and for more than a week. Your body has to adjust to the sudden change of diet and reshape itself. It's hard to "reshape" millions of years of evolution to an omnivore diet. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
Just sayin' if a vegan had to choose between eating a steak and feeding a starving child or eating a non-animal product and letting the child starve, then he better choose the latter. Or he could eat non-animal products and feed starving children... but that still doesn't address the issue for me. Why not feed starving children and work for human rights? Feed starving children and stop animals from being killed for fashion purposes instead of to feed human beings? For me, it is just one of those things that I don't really see how people can be so adamantly for it... although I guess more odd things have been debated rigorously... | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:42 tbrown47 wrote: Yeah... but the problem is you brought up the argument... you have to defend it well... which you aren't really doing. If your argument is that you can be an athlete while being a vegan, obviously that is true. Does being a vegan make you a better athlete? There really isn't any decisive evidence. Does being an omnivore make you a better athlete? Well... yeah I'd have to say so. Considering most athletes eat meat I'd have to say that most likely eating meat is more healthy than not eating meat. It is a guess, obviously, but a guess that I'd conjecture most would side with me on. I'm not so sure that the conclusion you've drawn is correct. Firstly all us vegans/vegitarians here are trying to say is that you can be healty and not eat meat (dispite the bigoted claims of others). Secondly if we consider that meat eaters are more likely to be obese doesn't that mean that vegitarianism is healthier? Honestly I wouldn't draw a conclulsion one way or the other, although from life experience I'd say it is probably easier to be healthy and eat meat. However, I do know that you can get a balanced diet being vegan or vegitarian and that will make you as healthy as you need to be (unless you have some exceptional illness). All I really want to say (and i think I speak for others in doing so) is that you can be vegitarian/vegan and be fit and healthy. | ||
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FrozenFlare
Australia103 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:44 Delathar wrote: though i do think eating meat helps build muscle thus helping protect your family but other then that not really LOL stop it man you're killing me hahahaha | ||
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:49 peekn wrote: It's hard to "reshape" millions of years of evolution to an omnivore diet. What I meant was you lose weight and then gain it back. Given that you do it correctly. I fully support a balanced omnivore diet but I am not ignorant enough to realize that you can eat either way and still live a healthy life. There is a reason diet and nutrition is a college degree. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:51 Skeny wrote: I'm not so sure that the conclusion you've drawn is correct. Firstly all us vegans/vegitarians here are trying to say is that you can be healty and not eat meat (dispite the bigoted claims of others). Secondly if we consider that meat eaters are more likely to be obese doesn't that mean that vegitarianism is healthier? Honestly I wouldn't draw a conclulsion one way or the other, although from life experience I'd say it is probably easier to be healthy and eat meat. However, I do know that you can get a balanced diet being vegan or vegitarian and that will make you as healthy as you need to be (unless you have some exceptional illness). All I really want to say (and i think I speak for others in doing so) is that you can be vegitarian/vegan and be fit and healthy. I believe that is a good way to say it. It is easier to have a healthy diet as an omnivore. I agree. | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:51 HotKimchi wrote: What I meant was you lose weight and then gain it back. Given that you do it correctly. I fully support a balanced omnivore diet but I am not ignorant enough to realize that you can eat either way and still live a healthy life. There is a reason diet and nutrition is a college degree. Ah agreed, agreed. | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:47 HotKimchi wrote: You have to do it right and for more than a week. Your body has to adjust to the sudden change of diet and reshape itself. So true. Also you have to be very thoughtful when it comes to planning a vegan diet. You need to learn what suits you, which takes time. | ||
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TheWestWind
Canada87 Posts
Humans were not designed to eat meat, because they were not designed. This ability evolved in humans because it is advantageous. Along with that, just because you can eat meat, doesn't mean you ought to. Humans have evolved the ability to rape, but that is definitely an 'ought not'. You can eat lettuce or algae, doesn't mean you ought to. Since eating is a requirement of life, it can't be said that the act of eating anything is right or wrong. Human labels of 'dietary regimes' are lol, as the fact of biology is that humans are omnivores. A 'vegan' or a 'carnivore' are just omnivores who eat no meat or only meat respectively. As far as I'm concerned, your body, you choose what to put in it. You are responsible for that choice though, with all the implications. Personally, because I have empathy, I find that killing is distasteful. I don't want to be killed, and when I see that desire expressed by another being, I am not unaffected. I think that is a big part of what makes us human. If you approach your diet with a open mind and you research diligently every dietary choice you make, I can't believe that you wouldn't find yourself to be a healthier and happier person because of it, not to mention more educated about nutrition than 99% of peeps. | ||
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HotKimchi
United States64 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:54 Skeny wrote: So true. Also you have to be very thoughtful when it comes to planning a vegan diet. You need to learn what suits you, which takes time. Yeah it's just really difficult to make a full vegan diet. I am going to school for it and when anyone tells me they are vegan I get chills. It is literally scary to make that diet. So easy to forget a vitamin or not add enough protein. The best thing to do is research, talk to other ( smart healthy) vegans, and take a multivitamin to cover any vitamin holes. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20052 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:51 Skeny wrote: I'm not so sure that the conclusion you've drawn is correct. Firstly all us vegans/vegitarians here are trying to say is that you can be healty and not eat meat (dispite the bigoted claims of others). Secondly if we consider that meat eaters are more likely to be obese doesn't that mean that vegitarianism is healthier? Honestly I wouldn't draw a conclulsion one way or the other, although from life experience I'd say it is probably easier to be healthy and eat meat. However, I do know that you can get a balanced diet being vegan or vegitarian and that will make you as healthy as you need to be (unless you have some exceptional illness). All I really want to say (and i think I speak for others in doing so) is that you can be vegitarian/vegan and be fit and healthy. Second point is not necessarily true as vegetarians often turn to a lot of processed foods and grains as well as consuming additional calories as the fat/protein in meat satiates the appetite for longer resulting in a fatter vegetarian. | ||
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Delathar
United States16 Posts
Eating meat helps build muscle the fastest.On a vegetarian diet considering you can get a decent amount of protein it is possible to build muscle the same way just alot harder to do.When i am saying that you need muscle it is indeed true for men but women i would make an argument can do either.When we as omnivores have no protein in our diet we become very unhealthy.We need a certain amount of protein in order to live a healthy and atheletic life. Meaning this you can be a healthy vegetarian with muscle but will be harder to maintain and get that muscle but it is possible considering you get some decent amount of protein with the diet but overall i would say the best absolute diet for any person is an omnivorous diet to maintain health,function of speed and strength,and overall a better look and lifestyle. edit: Oh, i would like to add that cows eat grass and since they eat grass it would be pretty worthless to state that if we just eat what they eat(humans cannot digest grass) that we would have more energy but it would clean out your system pretty good oh yeah | ||
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
On February 09 2011 15:48 Slakter wrote: The problem isnt veganism, the problem is that youre terrible at making vegan food ^^ Problem is, Sir, that I cannot change my body to be able to be a vegan. Yes I can force myself to deny eating meat, but why on Earth should I do that, just to prevent animals to get slaughtered? If veganism would give me +100 years I would probably do it, but I cannot see any advantage of it right now. | ||
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