EPT[Veganism] Fucking humanity - Page 17
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Rawenkeke
Norway350 Posts
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DreamScaR
Canada2127 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Humans have evolved and become omnivores yet Vegetarians seem to have a healthier life... Hm... Interesting to say the least. Source Garrr, I had a long winded post written but it would totally derail so a big no-no from me. So I shall respond with this, while you may be a healthier as a whole, there's also a reason why humans are designed to be omnivores. More often than not, people I know that try to become vegan or vegetarians that give up and try to go back to eating everything on the buffet table run into the issue of malnutrition and not being able to stomach much of anything. Each side has it's ups and downs, personally I'll pick that side that has a steak, baked potato and a salad. | ||
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Rasva_Pallo
Finland126 Posts
Well I'm all about lifestyle freedom I mean. If you want to eat veggies for your entire life just for the sake of it,or because you enjoy them,go on. But eating veggies beliving that this somehow will stop animal slaughter is laughable. It's just like stopping fapping and/or having sex in attempt to stop the porn industry or rapists. There are other ways around. That's what I mean. Meat is a physical necessity ,as a human being you need it,just like sex. That's how you are made. Go have some of both. My 2 cents. P.S. There are people that live in worse conditions than those animals. Think about it. Some kiddo starves to death,and you are here ,in your luxurious house, being picky for animals whose destiny is to be hunted. Nice logic bro. Actually logic of individual responsibility is the most effective way of stopping something. How it works? If enough people for whatever reason stopped eating meat it would be not profitable to have as large as meat industry as today so for financial reasons it would stop animal slaughter. If enough people would stop watching porn it would stop porn industry because of financial reasons. This all starts by your personal choices doing/not doing something, you can not decide for other people so the best way to influence is to do choices in your own life. Some people are worse conditions than those animals mostly because of poverty and not having enough to eat. Live stock (not sure if it's the right term but basically farm animals) produce about 10% of what they eat as meat (that's what we eat) so producing meat is actually taking a lot more energy and space than growing vegetables/fruits which can straight be eaten by humans, meaning there is less food, making the food more expensive, making some peoples condition worse. Ps. I don't think there's any prove that sex or meat is physical necessity. Edit: Bad engrish | ||
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Kakera
United States419 Posts
On January 18 2011 09:48 Tony Campolo wrote: He needs to become a real man. He'll be happier in the longterm if he doesn't act like a wussy. He'll be too busy fucking girls in the ass to be caring about anxiety and insecurity and having TL's nerd population encouraging him in it. | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Humans have evolved and become omnivores yet Vegetarians seem to have a healthier life... Hm... Interesting to say the least. Source Less protein and less saturated fats = less cancer and less heart disease/hypertension? I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about, just a guess. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Humans have evolved and become omnivores yet Vegetarians seem to have a healthier life... Hm... Interesting to say the least. Source I don't like those statistics at all. They have no point of real comparison, it's comparing non compatible averages. Most of those stats on top of that say things like 25-50% higher...and we don't know of WHAT number. 50% higher of .0000000343% base percent isn't something to cry home about to be honest. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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teh_longinator
Canada725 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:58 Rflcrx wrote: If you would stay out of mine it would be fine, unfortunately you won't, so it is a rather bad deal for me.. Is it a rule for vegetarians to QQ all day about the "injustices" they face. If you don't wanna eat meat, don't fucking eat meat. No one cares. As a great man once said: "Do you know who cares less about your problems than you do?.... Everybody." | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:53 Belial88 wrote: As someone who's been to Africa and many other continents... It amazes me how people talk about being vegetarian. It's a luxury you can only have when your point of view is so skewed because you are so wealthy. There's no such thing as vegetarian in the majority of the world. The reason for the mass slaughter of animals is because it is efficient. 'Humane slaughter' (an oxymoron) just contributes to rising prices of meat, and in effect makes it so people in developing countries have a harder time receiving sustenance. You may think McDonald's is evil, but in many places in the world that aren't even that bad, like Northern Africa, McDonald's is a considerably source of sustenance for a populace that lives on pennies a day. In other places, it is considered a restaurant of high quality for a night out. Getting rid of slaughterhouses and corporations like Mcdonalds only hurts the poorest of people in the world. So if you want to be vegan for health reasons (personally, I think being vegetarian is slightly healther, you need very little meat in your diet) that's fine, but being a vegan-activist is something only people with a limited point of view and a position of luxury can afford. And you may think you're poor, but you have no idea what poor is until you leave your rich country. TL;DR Eat meat Imo it's ok to eat animals if you have to survive, but saying, "Getting rid of slaughterhouses and corporations like Mcdonalds only hurts the poorest of people in the world." is completely wrong. Meat products require FAR more natural resources than their vegetarian analogues (dam you entropy) and hence if we stop producing meat products there is FAR more food to be sold around the world thus helping prevent starvation. (I'm sorry I can't quote any real figures here but they are there if you look them up). Furthermore cattle is one of the world's leading green house gas emitters so if we stop producing them we lower our total greenhouse emissions. Finally, if you went to India instead of Africa you'd probably think that meat is something only the wealthy can afford, so your claim that vegeterianism is spawned from wealth is totally wrong. EDIT: ps. are u serious when you say "McDonald's is a considerably source of sustenance for a populace that lives on pennies a day" ? | ||
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Humans have evolved and become omnivores yet Vegetarians seem to have a healthier life... Hm... Interesting to say the least. Source Your source is terrible. "According to vegetarian statistics" what the fuck does that even mean? | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:37 Sotamursu wrote: To be honest they can torture those animals twice as harder, if the quality of the meat stays good and it ups production. No one still has told me why I should give a flying fuck about farm animals. Just use the most efficient method which maximizes quality, if animals suffer because of it, well tough shit. Going vegan makes you more healthy? You can be an omnivore and stay healthy. If all you eat is 12 hamburgers and 5 pizzas a day, it doesn't matter what diet you start to follow. Of course you will lose weight and be healthier. You should give a fuck because of that thing called empathy. Your reaction indicates that you are either sociopath or playing a tough guy. Hopefully the latter. | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:02 annul wrote: if every human on earth went vegetarian, EVERY ANIMAL WOULD DIE. there would not be enough land for cows to graze on, for example, because it would all be in use growing food for humans. one cow can feed a LOT of people for quite a few meals, and takes up a lot less space and requires a lot less arable land than the same amount of grown food. So the penguins in antarctical would die too? :s Obviously vegetarianism cannot happen overnight, it has to happen progressively if it is going to work. Not that it will ever happen though  | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:53 Belial88 wrote: As someone who's been to Africa and many other continents... It amazes me how people talk about being vegetarian. It's a luxury you can only have when your point of view is so skewed because you are so wealthy. There's no such thing as vegetarian in the majority of the world. The reason for the mass slaughter of animals is because it is efficient. 'Humane slaughter' (an oxymoron) just contributes to rising prices of meat, and in effect makes it so people in developing countries have a harder time receiving sustenance. You may think McDonald's is evil, but in many places in the world that aren't even that bad, like Northern Africa, McDonald's is a considerably source of sustenance for a populace that lives on pennies a day. In other places, it is considered a restaurant of high quality for a night out. Getting rid of slaughterhouses and corporations like Mcdonalds only hurts the poorest of people in the world. So if you want to be vegan for health reasons (personally, I think being vegetarian is slightly healther, you need very little meat in your diet) that's fine, but being a vegan-activist is something only people with a limited point of view and a position of luxury can afford. And you may think you're poor, but you have no idea what poor is until you leave your rich country. TL;DR Eat meat Thank you very much and 100% agreed. It is good to have the view of someone who is a realist and not an insular indoor activist. However, I suppose it is another matter whether the regulations for slaughter of animals should be changed in NA/EU to account for changing perspectives. Nonetheless, one shouldn't so quick to judge upon such practices, especially in poorer countries or countries where the nutritional alternatives are not viable in any way. As someone who has studied agriculture during high school, I can almost assure that the footage is significantly exaggerated in relation to the Australian industry. | ||
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Kakera
United States419 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:06 mcc wrote: You should give a fuck because of that thing called empathy. Your reaction indicates that you are either sociopath or playing a tough guy. Hopefully the latter. I agree with him not with you, they should rise up like Egypt and throw off their shackles if they think they are truly being so mistreated. Go all Animal Farm and junk. But do they? No, cause they enjoy their situations, no worries, no troubles, just eat poop sleep. The life yo. ya know? doya? | ||
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brokenSC
United States84 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:52 writer22816 wrote: If you don't want to eat meat, fine, don't eat it. But stay the fuck out of my life because I'm eating whatever I want. This could imply that you're a cannibal. I'm curious why some meats are taboo (at least in America) You will not find many people eating dogs or cats. I guess it's all just a line in the sand. | ||
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Torumfroll
290 Posts
On February 09 2011 16:37 forgotten0ne wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=185282¤tpage=2#23 lol A bit more on topic, I think showing videos of animal cruelty to support your arguments is ridiculous. Like theres some kind of universal rule that every farmer is some kind of sadistic slaughterer who gets a kick from beating around pigs and cattle, and that everyone who eats meat think its ok. I eat meat and I have no intention to stop eating meat just because someone shows me a video of idiots abusing animals. That does not mean that I support their behavior or think its ok to treat animals like shit. Even if the animals are bred for the purpose of slaughter I think they deserve a bit of respect and better living conditions. Going vegan mode does not change how abusive farmers treat their "products". | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
Have you guys ever were on a rural pig slaughter? That's the shit. | ||
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Sumsi
Germany593 Posts
So when you stop farming them you take the risk of extincting a lot of animal races. I guess thats not what animal lovers intended to accomplish in the first place. | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:01 Huumy wrote: Actually logic of individual responsibility is the most effective way of stopping something. How it works? If enough people for whatever reason stopped eating meat it would be not profitable to have as large as meat industry as today so for financial reasons it would stop animal slaughter. If enough people would stop watching porn it would stop porn industry because of financial reasons. This all starts by your personal choices doing/not doing something, you can not decide for other people so the best way to influence is to do choices in your own life. Some people are worse conditions than those animals mostly because of poverty and not having enough to eat. Live stock (not sure if it's the right term but basically farm animals) produce about 10% of what they eat as meat (that's what we eat) so producing meat is actually taking a lot more energy and space than growing vegetables/fruits which can straight be eaten by humans, meaning there is less food, making the food more expensive, making some peoples condition worse. Ps. I don't think there's any prove that sex or meat is physical necessity. Edit: Bad engrish Yeah I agree with your first statement.If your eradicate it from this discussion that is. That kind of "slaughter" (the video) is something that must dealt with through policies,higher control over "meat producing factories",monitoring you know what I mean? Being a vegetarian for the poor animals does not FIT into this. I am aware of the energy deficit that we encounter when we "produce" meat out of veggies. But guess what,we need those proteins. Even if the energy exchange is not that profitable on the first glance. You can help poor people by donating. You aren't helping animals destined to the slaughter by being vegetarian. That's what I'm sayin. Well, I think your (and mine) own existence proves that sex and meat are a physical necessity. Human race dies without those 2 (and an awful lot of other) things. | ||
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