EPTYou WILL try, but you won't succeed. Animal Slaughter is just something that happens, and It will never be stopped whether you or I or anyone else tries.
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Ethic
Canada439 Posts
You WILL try, but you won't succeed. Animal Slaughter is just something that happens, and It will never be stopped whether you or I or anyone else tries. | ||
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mytent
United States156 Posts
There are humans out there who are living under the worst conditions, humans who are suffering a million times worse than these animals do. HUMAN BEINGS, children, parents, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers... all suffering, dying in God knows how many ways.. and you've decided to... ... take up anti-meat activism? ..are you kidding me???? | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
Oh and the video isn't shocking. These are creatures we raise for the sole purpose of devouring so that we may live and eat well. I generally couldn't care less how the food gets to my plate or what trauma the animal goes through. Of course if there are cheap and efficient methods to reduce the animals suffering then sure go ahead. But the bottom line is the bottom line. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
First we hunted and ate lots of animals. We also ate some plants. It was only after we discovered aggriculture and farming that we could settle down. Can you imagine saying you don't want to eat meat back then? You would die and people would think you are crazy. We are meant to eat meat. What I'm getting at is that the way our society has developed to this day, allows people to have choices like these. Which is fine, but it will never become a standard because it goes against nature. Also on the topic of slaughtering, for our own sake it's the best if the way all the stuff surrounding the herding of animals and slaughtering them is done in the best way possible, so we get good control on hygiene and sickness, good quality meat, cost effective production etc. But never forget that we are at the top of the foodchain, we are the dictators of the animal kingdom even though we can disagree amongst ourselves about how we should treat those below us, when it comes to those lower on the foodchain, anything goes, no matter how brutal it can appear to the idea of our current society, survival of the fittest. Laws excluding though, as long we aren't in a free for all society. Edit, think about other foodchains in nature, if a bear suddenly refuses to eat salmon, he will die and there will be so many salmons, they cannot all feed and part of them will also die. Or there is so many salmon and they kill all their food, and then their food cannot repoduce, so the salmon dies out later, and then the bear dies out because there is no salmon etc. Everywhere in the foodchain, those situations are constantly balancing. Now imagine any of them decides not to feed. | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:23 teh_longinator wrote: Actually... I believe that, as humans, we have evolved PAST having to hunt. We have evolved brain power to create farms, and machinery to prepare foods for us.... We have evolved for the simple act of taking from the land. And I do believe you are forcing beliefs, since you have stated again and again, that eating meat is WRONG, and that veggies are the RIGHT way. You preach an ideal that a large percentage of the population does not believe in, but do not give up arguing. There is a difference between giving up, and giving in. If YOU keep doing what you believe is right, then that is enough. ARGUING with others to conform to what you want sounds a lot like you are throwing freedoms out the window... I'm not sure that I've made a right wrong distinction in this thread, I have argued in favour of vegetarianism. I fail to see anything wrong with using facts to argue. I started posing in this thread in decent of something thing that were said, such as vegetarianism being unhealthy. I have never said that eating meat is wrong, infact I think I've been quite accepting of meat eating. Nonetheless you have accused me of trying to take away peoples freedoms which would make a very good arguement in your favour if I had done so. "ARGUING with others to conform to what you want sounds a lot like you are throwing freedoms out the window..." This needs more explanation. | ||
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RoseTempest
Canada196 Posts
Wonder what they're for... | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:30 mytent wrote: ... There are humans out there who are living under the worst conditions, humans who are suffering a million times worse than these animals do. HUMAN BEINGS, children, parents, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers... all suffering, dying in God knows how many ways.. and you've decided to... ... take up anti-meat activism? ..are you kidding me???? There are children suffering and you play starcraft. How could you? Or can you do more than one thing like us? EDIT: and as already explained by me and others going vegan/vegetarian will increase world food production to help feed these suffering people | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:19 Blobskillz wrote: you sure you dont mix that up with some mafia stuff? ^^ Nah,that's an actual tradition. Every year in january most of the rural southern italian families kill a pig in order to make homemade sausages,ham,pancetta etc. Were I live there are tons of these yearly events,others are like the various reaps,wine,tomatoes,oil,wood etc. We produce 1/4 of what we need to live by paying attention to the land during weekends. The rest of the week is normal university/job :l. The mafia does not kill you that way,if you are curious :D. They have..other..procedures... | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:17 Sotamursu wrote: So you make a massive lifestyle choice based on feeling sorry for some animals you saw in a video? Ok. Did I say anything about lifestyle choices ? I reacted to you saying you don't give a fuck if animal is tortured or suffers. | ||
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:19 Skeny wrote: Not true. I would kill an animal if I had to, it's just now I dont have to so I don't. I think we've moved on a long way from human hunting days, especially because now we raise animals for the slaughter which is totally different to what we evolved to do. Next question: do you think you are able to kill an animal? Because telling that you would kill if you had to is not the same. As I said I've been on many pig and cow slaughtering because I was raised in a rural area. Do you think it is that easy to just end something's life even if it's just a pig? No, it's not. So the conclusion is, you would starve to death without somebody doing the dirty job for you. You should have to thankful those who are working in slaughterhouses because you obviously wouldn't have the guts to stab an animal. | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
On February 09 2011 13:52 Lexpar wrote: You're wrong. Supply and demand. Sure 1 person not buying meat might mean that there is no change in the amount of animals tortured and killed. But if 1% of the population doesn't buy meat? That's millions of animals being saved in a generation. 5% of the population could mean billions of animals that aren't raised solely to be tortured and killed. Do I have to explain to you that as a company meat producers will not make significantly more product than they can sell? It doesn't make business sense. It's wasted money. It puzzles me how you could blindly deny this logic. You shouldn't go vegan for a better treatment of animals, you should protest for a better treatment of animals, at least in my opinion. Of course, if you want to go vegan for health reasons, that's a different story, and a reason that I can understand. Anyways, such posts as the op's are not really useful. I didn't watch the video, but I am pretty sure I know what the content is like. | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:38 nOia.pod wrote: Next question: do you think you are able to kill an animal? Because telling that you would kill if you had to is not the same. As I said I've been on many pig and cow slaughtering because I was raised in a rural area. Do you think it is that easy to just end something's life even if it's just a pig? No, it's not. So the conclusion is, you would starve to death without somebody doing the dirty job for you. You should have to thankful those who are working in slaughterhouses because you obviously wouldn't have the guts to stab an animal. I think I gassed about 20 mice when I was on work experience. That was before I turned vegetarian though. | ||
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alurlol
England197 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:40 Macabre wrote: Having a nice steak with my beer right now. Let's watch some GSL Team League! I'm envious to say the least, but isn't it a bit late for dinner?! | ||
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:41 Skeny wrote: I think I gassed about 20 mice when I was on work experience. That was before I turned vegetarian though. Sorry, but I just have to laugh on that :D | ||
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Skeny
Australia121 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:41 snpnx wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUQG9PhDNnk&feature=player_profilepage I'd say that this is worse than the video in the OP but if I take away my personal bias it's probably more fair to say that it's just as bad. | ||
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alurlol
England197 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:41 Skeny wrote: I think I gassed about 20 mice when I was on work experience. That was before I turned vegetarian though. Mice are vermin, that's completely different from killing a large animal, don't kid yourself. | ||
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:43 Skeny wrote: I'd say that this is worse than the video in the OP but if I take away my personal bias it's probably more fair to say that it's just as bad. Yes, I agree with you.  I am fully aware of that. | ||
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Taosu
Ukraine1074 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:44 alurlol wrote: Mice are vermin, that's completely different from killing a large animal, don't kid yourself. Interesting. Where's the boundary between what is killable and what is not? Size? | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 09 2011 17:26 PlosionCornu wrote: Humn,I don't necessarily want to play the devil's advocate here(i'm not saying that someone's wrong/someone's right)..but..psst...empathy is a purely human feeling. Oh well bonobos and other monkeys have that,that's an exception. What most sensible people "feel" like a correspondence for a pet, for example, is purely a projection of your human mind,your human feelings,which forcefully bends the animal behavior to answer to a pattern. (I E grin => anger ). If a cat stays near your,near your legs,your link that behavior to affection (human feeling). The cat most probably is just staying there cuz you are the one that feeds him,and keeps him warm,so he's "interested" in keeping thing this way. Empathy itself is just an evolutionary device after all. It keeps human being together to maintain them stronger. Animals factor into this cycle only when our minds antromophizes them. Since it seems your reply is actually to my post. You limiting empathy to humans and monkeys is very limiting. I would love to see how you would support that statement. Empathy is a feeling and is evolutionary benefit for social species (at least), so why are you limiting it so ? Also saying that cats do not show genuine affection is so naive, you are putting humans on a pedestal where there is none. I would say animal behavior fits pretty well with them having very similar emotions to us, and no I am not talking about misrepresenting "cat's grins" or other facial expressions but more general patterns. Of course there is difference between species, sometimes huge, but saying emotions are human domain is false. | ||
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