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maro
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands134 Posts
January 08 2011 00:29 GMT
#861
If I remember correctly, the KotH Gisado was holding a couple days ago consisted of non-ladder maps, with some Blizzard maps thrown in there also, like Crossfire. Point is, they are planning to have a vote and have one of these maps used in the GSL. Not sure if this is all true, but would make things a bit more interesting.

This game is 6 months old, if GOM decides to rent out a huge stadium for some games between NesTea and Maka and think it'll attract a big audience, that's their mistake. I don't think they had these immense opening days for previous seasons either, and were held at their regular studio. I'm sure it'll be fine and really isn't that much to worry about.
I'm gonna get wasted on this sodaaa
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
January 08 2011 00:33 GMT
#862
I don't really buy into all this Doomsday crap. The games that are being played are mostly garbage though since it's too damn easy to 1 base allin and win. It gets boring only seeing SCV/marin rushes and pylon/gateway in your opponents base or 4 gates allins. voidray rushes and so forth.
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ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
January 08 2011 00:35 GMT
#863
On January 08 2011 05:41 IPA wrote:
I believe when we look back at this thread in one year, we will find it very, very silly indeed.
We don't need a year.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
January 08 2011 00:38 GMT
#864
They need to gain audience and fast, but I'm afraid Blizzard has made all the wrong moves.

They locked out SC2 and made a dedicated server with no LAN and a stupid regional lock.

There has also been 4 tournaments in 4 months which is saturating the fans way too much way too fast!
sceg10
Profile Joined October 2010
9 Posts
January 08 2011 01:10 GMT
#865
I love the fact that few who play BW turned to SC2 and a lot found and stick with BW thanks to SC2.
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 01:38:42
January 08 2011 01:37 GMT
#866
if i could stay laddering up on iccup i would never switched to sc2, but i can't, there are just too few player to play with :c
i like gsl tho,i watch it almost everyday, and i love how it gets stronger on west than bw ever was, but again, my heart belongs to bw
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
January 08 2011 01:39 GMT
#867
On January 08 2011 09:38 thehitman wrote:
They need to gain audience and fast, but I'm afraid Blizzard has made all the wrong moves.

They locked out SC2 and made a dedicated server with no LAN and a stupid regional lock.

There has also been 4 tournaments in 4 months which is saturating the fans way too much way too fast!


How does this affect viewership? Would only affect players.
We talkin about PRACTICE
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
January 08 2011 02:00 GMT
#868
On January 08 2011 08:14 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 07:52 Caspor wrote:
its even ridiculous they shut down restreams imho.
just look at it that way:
who watches them? mostly fans that arent willing or cant pay the premium stream for whatever reason so they would like to watch the free stream wich they cant because its always full or not working so the restreams provide a service wich gom isnt able to provide obviously and they get it for free because it reaches a bigger audience who may potentially buy the hq stuff in future seasons.
Maybe im missing something here but this looks extremely short sighted to me and as is see it can only fail if they wont change that.


Its not ridiculous. They want people to use the GOM player. They are sponsored by Gretech. They also want people to watch their streams so they can get more accurate numbers to show to potential companies.

If you are waking up at 4am to watch SC2, how is $10 overpriced? You get so many hours of content its not even a contest. It is probably the cheapest entertainment in history, ever.


I think its overpriced because BW was free and that set the standard. I'm not paying money to watch Starcraft games and pay for some undeserving unskilled player prize money (remember everyone gets some prize money just getting to the ro32), and not paying so Gom can rent out these stupidly big locations for no reason all while its FREE for Koreans.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
January 08 2011 02:05 GMT
#869
On January 08 2011 06:15 etheovermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 04:31 TheBanana wrote:
You guys are such negative nancies.

You should support the game, help make it bigger.
I see nothing good coming from this discussion, it brings nothing but negativity that will deter potential fans and demotivate players.

Some of you portray it like you deserve a medal if you're not watching or supporting SC2. You don't, you deserve a kick in the ass.


Atm SC2 is the only RTS game that has a shot at real growth as an esport, and everyone you should stand behind it. Especially RTS-fans.

Also GSL != SC2, even though GSL is the biggest there is more to SC2 than that.

I am sorry, but a major point in this thread is that SC:BW was and is a much bigger esport than SC2, so where does "Sc2 is the only decent shot for esports" come in? Also, I do deserve a medal since I am not supporting sc2



It comes in when you do not remove the words "real growth" and also the meaning of the sentence.
You deserve a kick in the ass for not being supportive of SC2, and another one for missing the point.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
sephius
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom200 Posts
January 08 2011 02:10 GMT
#870
I've been a premium member to every GSL thus far and have thoroughly enjoyed them all. I do think though, perhaps, they bosh out GSL's too frequently. If such a huge event becomes so frequent it's no wonder why people lose interest in its appeal and, as a reult, it isn't as popular as it was at the beginning.

Maybe if it was every 2-3 months people might be 'refreshed'.. They do say absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Rudiment
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States174 Posts
January 08 2011 02:16 GMT
#871
Tasteless just needs to start speaking Korean
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 02:20:46
January 08 2011 02:19 GMT
#872
On January 08 2011 11:10 sephius wrote:
I've been a premium member to every GSL thus far and have thoroughly enjoyed them all. I do think though, perhaps, they bosh out GSL's too frequently. If such a huge event becomes so frequent it's no wonder why people lose interest in its appeal and, as a reult, it isn't as popular as it was at the beginning.

Maybe if it was every 2-3 months people might be 'refreshed'.. They do say absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I agree.
For example, FIFA world cup would not be the same if it were held every single year instead of 4 would it?
The wait, build up, and the anticipation really makes a difference.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
kirkybaby
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)781 Posts
January 08 2011 02:26 GMT
#873
On January 08 2011 09:38 thehitman wrote:
They need to gain audience and fast, but I'm afraid Blizzard has made all the wrong moves.

They locked out SC2 and made a dedicated server with no LAN and a stupid regional lock.

There has also been 4 tournaments in 4 months which is saturating the fans way too much way too fast!


As someone who lives in Korea I agree with all three of these posts. BTW, I think the Code S/Code A format is confusing, and it really detracts from the hype. It's the wrong way to go about it imho.
tournament history: 512th place in Altitude TLOpen #1
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11595 Posts
January 08 2011 02:28 GMT
#874
On January 08 2011 11:10 sephius wrote:
I've been a premium member to every GSL thus far and have thoroughly enjoyed them all. I do think though, perhaps, they bosh out GSL's too frequently. If such a huge event becomes so frequent it's no wonder why people lose interest in its appeal and, as a reult, it isn't as popular as it was at the beginning.

Maybe if it was every 2-3 months people might be 'refreshed'.. They do say absence makes the heart grow fonder.


I think there's a lot of truth to this. The GSL is a good thing, but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Probably the thought was to jump start the proleague with lots of tourneys, then you got to keep up the momentum, by continually running tourneys. But in any sports, there is such thing as the viewer fatigue.

There are always the hardcore fans that watch every single game. But a lot of people only watch the playoffs. There's a reason why the superbowl is such a big deal for advertisers. Everybody is watching it. The fact that this is a special event that everyone is watching means that most of the time not everyone is watching. There is also the off-season. The sports fanatics will watch anything (the lesser leagues or watch an entirely different sport.) But everyone else will stop watching until it matters. I'm a Canadian, but really only watch hockey during the playoffs and only if my friends are watching- and it's the Canucks.

Same thing with Starcraft. They probably need some breathing room in between seasons. But also between rounds. Anticipation is just as important and far better than being inundated with mass gaming.

GOM misjudged how big of the event it would be. Bad PR mistake, but I don't think it spells the end of SC2. It's just Blizzard and GOMTV are probably trying to push to hard to fast, hoping to get it to the level of SCBW's zenith. But that will probably take time... and better maps.
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Neoto
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom19 Posts
January 08 2011 02:37 GMT
#875
I didn't even realise GSL was back until recently. The format is a little bit convoluted. I actually quite liked the excitement of the open tournament, single elimination format.
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
January 08 2011 02:38 GMT
#876
On January 08 2011 08:20 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 08:13 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Holy crap, I watched OSL Ro8 Fantasy vs Hyuk and there are people STANDING around to watch the match.

Did you watch HiyA v. Stork? The crowd was going insane over Stork sniping HiyA's scouting scv. That's esports.

EDIT: Keeping this in the spoiler, but for easy watching...
+ Show Spoiler +


OMG this is the first BW pro match I've ever watched and it was awesome. I wish the GSLs had that kind of atmosphere and crowd, as well as matches that good. There are some epic GSL matches but just so much all in crap it's kinda boring to watch.

These days I prefer to watch pro replays from ladder/practice games, they almost always get to mid game at the very least. It seems more than anything that the tournament mentality is the cause for bad spectator games rather than the maps (though from what I've heard it's not the case in BW so there goes that theory...).
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
January 08 2011 02:42 GMT
#877
On January 08 2011 09:09 mmdmmd wrote:
Even in the Chinese SC scene, popularity of sc2 has fallen dramatically since the Nada vs Boxer matches. Now all the big Chinese sc sites, there are near 0 replies in sc2 news. ppl are simply not interested anymore.

That might have something to do with the fact that SC2 hasn't even been released in China....
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
January 08 2011 03:20 GMT
#878
On January 08 2011 11:42 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 09:09 mmdmmd wrote:
Even in the Chinese SC scene, popularity of sc2 has fallen dramatically since the Nada vs Boxer matches. Now all the big Chinese sc sites, there are near 0 replies in sc2 news. ppl are simply not interested anymore.

That might have something to do with the fact that SC2 hasn't even been released in China....


Stop it. You are ruining his point
We talkin about PRACTICE
CreepCrepe
Profile Joined January 2011
37 Posts
January 08 2011 03:24 GMT
#879
On January 08 2011 11:38 Phenny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 08:20 tree.hugger wrote:
On January 08 2011 08:13 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Holy crap, I watched OSL Ro8 Fantasy vs Hyuk and there are people STANDING around to watch the match.

Did you watch HiyA v. Stork? The crowd was going insane over Stork sniping HiyA's scouting scv. That's esports.

EDIT: Keeping this in the spoiler, but for easy watching...
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEQYJcWIn4


OMG this is the first BW pro match I've ever watched and it was awesome. I wish the GSLs had that kind of atmosphere and crowd, as well as matches that good. There are some epic GSL matches but just so much all in crap it's kinda boring to watch.

These days I prefer to watch pro replays from ladder/practice games, they almost always get to mid game at the very least. It seems more than anything that the tournament mentality is the cause for bad spectator games rather than the maps (though from what I've heard it's not the case in BW so there goes that theory...).


Did not get excited by this in the slightest.
kirkybaby
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)781 Posts
January 08 2011 03:49 GMT
#880
On January 08 2011 12:24 CreepCrepe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 11:38 Phenny wrote:
On January 08 2011 08:20 tree.hugger wrote:
On January 08 2011 08:13 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Holy crap, I watched OSL Ro8 Fantasy vs Hyuk and there are people STANDING around to watch the match.

Did you watch HiyA v. Stork? The crowd was going insane over Stork sniping HiyA's scouting scv. That's esports.

EDIT: Keeping this in the spoiler, but for easy watching...
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEQYJcWIn4


OMG this is the first BW pro match I've ever watched and it was awesome. I wish the GSLs had that kind of atmosphere and crowd, as well as matches that good. There are some epic GSL matches but just so much all in crap it's kinda boring to watch.

These days I prefer to watch pro replays from ladder/practice games, they almost always get to mid game at the very least. It seems more than anything that the tournament mentality is the cause for bad spectator games rather than the maps (though from what I've heard it's not the case in BW so there goes that theory...).


Did not get excited by this in the slightest.


You must not appreciate awesome play when you see it. Which only begs the question, why are you even here? What is there NOT to get excited about watching sick reaver play? That was insanely impressive.
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