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red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 23:15:04
January 07 2011 23:14 GMT
#841
whoops quoted instead of edited delete please.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 23:22:59
January 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#842
On January 08 2011 08:13 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Holy crap, I watched OSL Ro8 Fantasy vs Hyuk and there are people STANDING around to watch the match.

Did you watch HiyA v. Stork? The crowd was going insane over Stork sniping HiyA's scouting scv. That's esports.

EDIT: Keeping this in the spoiler, but for easy watching...
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Caspor
Profile Joined June 2010
Austria18 Posts
January 07 2011 23:23 GMT
#843
i guess you totally missed my point no one will pay 10$ a month (which is not the only obstacle there) for something he can have for free one way or another if he isnt already 100% into it.

watching sc1 could only get that big because it was free and, even being free, it also didnt get big in 6 months.
even microsoft started to fight piracy seriously only after everybody used it already and there was no alternative anymore.

or if u get it better that way: the more you invest to grow it the more you reap. starting with the reaping wont work or at least you wont reap much.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6270 Posts
January 07 2011 23:24 GMT
#844
On January 08 2011 07:40 Sfydjklm wrote:
they shoulda kept 2010 format. 2011 format is way to confusing and not exciting in any way.
I would go as far as to claim that the current format is unacceptable. The fact that we are used to retarded qualification processes as a gaming community is not an excuse. If you wanna hit big follow the format of well established organizations, NFL, UEFA, and so on and so forth.


Firstly sorry for spelling errors I am editing on my iphone.

The 2011 group stages are quite similar to the FIFA world cup.
The only difference is that when it is a tie the ones who are tied play eachother instead of playing everyone once. I like the format as it is I think people just need to get used to it like with everything and I think (pure speculation) that nobody will remember this whole discussion a month from now and it will be a non issue.
Caspor
Profile Joined June 2010
Austria18 Posts
January 07 2011 23:28 GMT
#845
i tried the free stream since season 2 atleast 10 times and it didnt work for me even a single time, was always full. same with 2 friends of mine from germany.
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 23:32:09
January 07 2011 23:30 GMT
#846
Feels like SC2 is just boring in comparison to SC1. Once someone gets ahead, they'll win if they just play safe and not even amazing micro can save the other player because SC2 doesn't have the units that can change the tide of a game like in SC1. Very rarely to we get to see a back-and-forth game, but we get to see people mess up and give a win away due to lackluster play rather than wins being taken by use of amazing play.

It's not the players, it's just the fact that everything is so balanced and nerfed in SC2.
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 23:36:46
January 07 2011 23:32 GMT
#847
On January 08 2011 08:23 Caspor wrote:
i guess you totally missed my point no one will pay 10$ a month (which is not the only obstacle there) for something he can have for free one way or another if he isnt already 100% into it.

watching sc1 could only get that big because it was free and, even being free, it also didnt get big in 6 months.
even microsoft started to fight piracy seriously only after everybody used it already and there was no alternative anymore.

or if u get it better that way: the more you invest to grow it the more you reap. starting with the reaping wont work or at least you wont reap much.


I agree with this, if I could only access BW vods and streams of the OSL,SPL and MSL(and others) by paying 10$ I would not do it if I had no prior knowledge of how awesome it is. Watching it makes me realize i would defeninently pay 10$ for it.
I am skeptical about paying 10$ even if it is only 10 when I see posts everyday about the games being allin and under 10 minutes.
The flaw in this however is that there are many casters who have ''free'' games to watch, like Day9 and such.
WriterXiao8~~
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17052 Posts
January 07 2011 23:38 GMT
#848
On January 08 2011 08:11 lluminium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 08:01 Backpack wrote:
On January 08 2011 07:59 Caspor wrote:
yea maybe in the US everyone owns a credit card and paypal account even if they are between 13 and 18 years old

hey mom i want to watch these GREAT games on the internet but it costs 10$ a month and you can only pay by cc may i type your cc number to some random korean page you never heard of please?

yea sure honey go ahead....

seriously?


People still think the internet is some scary place where even the most respectable sites that tons of other people use will still steal you CC info?

Tell your mom to do some research and learn about how modern transactions work.

No one in our family owns a credit card. It's a risk and has a maintenance fee. Maybe we are just the odd ones out though, not sure.


How do credit cards have risk? O_o
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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
January 07 2011 23:39 GMT
#849
I think the format of Code S is awful. I don't know why but it is so boring to watch those dull best of 1s. It really is no fun - I hope it wont be like that forever. These games aren't gettin me excited, because it feels like they were playin just for fun.
Fruitdealer gets to play in the up and down matches while other people cheese their way up to code s - it's so stupid.
The only game I'm looking for atm is IdrA vs Jinro, but again only a best of 1 -.-
I think the quality of the games got worse, I hope it will be different once we get to the Ro16 or whatever..
ProbeEtPylon
Profile Joined October 2010
168 Posts
January 07 2011 23:44 GMT
#850
I just watched my first Broodwar Match. It was amazing! The game itself seems to be slower than SC2 and the map was much bigger, but paradoxically there was so much happening: Fights everywhere, units attacking and retreating, harrassing...
I would suggest to slow down the overall game speed to somthing between faster and normal...It would allow much more micro during the battles...
beer
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 23:55:53
January 07 2011 23:51 GMT
#851
On January 08 2011 08:44 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I just watched my first Broodwar Match. It was amazing! The game itself seems to be slower than SC2 and the map was much bigger, but paradoxically there was so much happening: Fights everywhere, units attacking and retreating, harrassing...
I would suggest to slow down the overall game speed to somthing between faster and normal...It would allow much more micro during the battles...


I never played Broodwar myself either, but I started watching Broodwar shoutcasts a few weeks ago too. Most of them were way better than a lot of the Starcraft 2 matches I've watched so far.
Also, I haven't watched a lot of games of the current GSL and I think I will continue only watching a few ones that I think might be interesting. A lot of it is just not worth the time watching it because it's simply boring.
lluminium
Profile Joined October 2010
85 Posts
January 07 2011 23:51 GMT
#852
On January 08 2011 08:38 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 08:11 lluminium wrote:
On January 08 2011 08:01 Backpack wrote:
On January 08 2011 07:59 Caspor wrote:
yea maybe in the US everyone owns a credit card and paypal account even if they are between 13 and 18 years old

hey mom i want to watch these GREAT games on the internet but it costs 10$ a month and you can only pay by cc may i type your cc number to some random korean page you never heard of please?

yea sure honey go ahead....

seriously?


People still think the internet is some scary place where even the most respectable sites that tons of other people use will still steal you CC info?

Tell your mom to do some research and learn about how modern transactions work.

No one in our family owns a credit card. It's a risk and has a maintenance fee. Maybe we are just the odd ones out though, not sure.


How do credit cards have risk? O_o

Number getting stolen and shit like that. I'm not too knowledgeable about credit card security to be honest coz I never felt the need to get one myself.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
January 07 2011 23:54 GMT
#853
i honestly think gsl's happen too often. Oh look someone won the gsl next one starts tommorow.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 07 2011 23:58 GMT
#854
To be fair, if new maps do come out they should be limited to the ''Proleague'' what I mean is ICCup typ maps which are in a total different ladder system. The casuals are still able to enjoy there small games which are not tuned for high level (macro) play while the pros or those who aspire to be pro's can try their hand at this ''ProLeague''. You can pick for yourself if you wish to play this ''Proleague'' or just casual games in a small map. This would make for an easier solution, because if you throw these large maps to the casuals, they won't be able to compete for shit and get stomped on hard.
WriterXiao8~~
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 00:07:47
January 08 2011 00:06 GMT
#855
On January 08 2011 08:23 Caspor wrote:
i guess you totally missed my point no one will pay 10$ a month (which is not the only obstacle there) for something he can have for free one way or another if he isnt already 100% into it.

watching sc1 could only get that big because it was free and, even being free, it also didnt get big in 6 months.
even microsoft started to fight piracy seriously only after everybody used it already and there was no alternative anymore.

or if u get it better that way: the more you invest to grow it the more you reap. starting with the reaping wont work or at least you wont reap much.


Honestly $10 a month isn't unreasonable at all, just because you're under 18 and don't have access to a credit card...

I mean for BW fans disagreeing with me, ask yourself, would you fork over $10/month for watching all the BW games in HD quality vods, higher quality stream (as in not in a crappy restream) with English commentary for $10/month? I know I would.

Disclaimer: I know BW can't even be played in widescreen/HD and BW people are going to shit on me and say they prefer the korean commentators and that the GOMTV stream isn't HD but if those were available for BW, wouldn't it make you cream your pants and go "OMFG I WANT IT" or at least make you think twice about it? Also I find it very admirable of GOMTV to have an English for foreigners. Hopefully one day they'll get a sponsor and companies willing to advertise on the English stream so they can make everything free.

Also I like both SC2 and BW pretty equally. I used to watch a lot more SC2 than BW but recently I have been watching a lot of BW because my sleep schedule is all fucked and there's usually nothing on at 3-5 am in the morning I'm starting to like BW a lot better now that I got more used to the (insanely fast) korean camera observer.
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
January 08 2011 00:09 GMT
#856
Even in the Chinese SC scene, popularity of sc2 has fallen dramatically since the Nada vs Boxer matches. Now all the big Chinese sc sites, there are near 0 replies in sc2 news. ppl are simply not interested anymore.
ProbeEtPylon
Profile Joined October 2010
168 Posts
January 08 2011 00:12 GMT
#857
SC2 is like Obama: The expectations were too high. ;-)
beer
exterminatus
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (North)142 Posts
January 08 2011 00:13 GMT
#858
The only thing I am completely happy about SC2 is, it was the reason why I found TL.net and awesome Korean BW streaming.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
January 08 2011 00:17 GMT
#859
On January 08 2011 09:06 crazeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 08:23 Caspor wrote:
i guess you totally missed my point no one will pay 10$ a month (which is not the only obstacle there) for something he can have for free one way or another if he isnt already 100% into it.

watching sc1 could only get that big because it was free and, even being free, it also didnt get big in 6 months.
even microsoft started to fight piracy seriously only after everybody used it already and there was no alternative anymore.

or if u get it better that way: the more you invest to grow it the more you reap. starting with the reaping wont work or at least you wont reap much.


Honestly $10 a month isn't unreasonable at all, just because you're under 18 and don't have access to a credit card...

I mean for BW fans disagreeing with me, ask yourself, would you fork over $10/month for watching all the BW games in HD quality vods, higher quality stream (as in not in a crappy restream) with English commentary for $10/month? I know I would.

Disclaimer: I know BW can't even be played in widescreen/HD and BW people are going to shit on me and say they prefer the korean commentators and that the GOMTV stream isn't HD but if those were available for BW, wouldn't it make you cream your pants and go "OMFG I WANT IT" or at least make you think twice about it? Also I find it very admirable of GOMTV to have an English for foreigners. Hopefully one day they'll get a sponsor and companies willing to advertise on the English stream so they can make everything free.

Also I like both SC2 and BW pretty equally. I used to watch a lot more SC2 than BW but recently I have been watching a lot of BW because my sleep schedule is all fucked and there's usually nothing on at 3-5 am in the morning I'm starting to like BW a lot better now that I got more used to the (insanely fast) korean camera observer.


It's not the quality of the stream and casting but the entertainment value of the games. At this point I probably wouldn't even pay $1 to watch GSL, and that's with Tastosis.

Now BW with Tastosis? I'd buy that for a dollar.
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
January 08 2011 00:29 GMT
#860
the gsl games tend to favor lots of really strong rushes or really strong all in's like the scv/marine tactic. I also agree with most in that a completely new ladder map pool with maps designed for more balanced play would make the game more fun to watch and cut down on all of these seemingly easy to execute yet very strong rushes we see.
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