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Caspor
Austria18 Posts
Now you may say: But theres a free low quality stream! Yes there is, but have u ever tried it since season 2 and it worked and wasnt already full? If they ever want to grow the sc2 fanbase they need to really offer it for free an finance that with ads or sponsors or they will never get enough people who will pay for premium content or watch it live on stage. It simply cant grow the way its run right now just my 2 cents sorry for bad english | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
I would go as far as to claim that the current format is unacceptable. The fact that we are used to retarded qualification processes as a gaming community is not an excuse. If you wanna hit big follow the format of well established organizations, NFL, UEFA, and so on and so forth. | ||
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Flying_Cake
Canada117 Posts
The players with higer skills would really benefit from having bigger maps. We would see more of a difference in skill in the pro players cause right now its pretty much a coin toss in every match because every good player is capable of winning games with cheese. And also SC2 is not forgiving. A small error can cost you the match which is something i dont really like.. You have to win a game with multiple good plays and tactics.. Winning a game because youre opponent made a small mistake is just lame. | ||
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ToFu.
331 Posts
dunno what'll happen with sc2 but the precedent ain't good. | ||
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Caspor
Austria18 Posts
just look at it that way: who watches them? mostly fans that arent willing or cant pay the premium stream for whatever reason so they would like to watch the free stream wich they cant because its always full or not working so the restreams provide a service wich gom isnt able to provide obviously and they get it for free because it reaches a bigger audience who may potentially buy the hq stuff in future seasons. Maybe im missing something here but this looks extremely short sighted to me and as is see it can only fail if they wont change that. | ||
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hagon
United Kingdom556 Posts
For example Julyzerg vs. Odin on Scrap Station: Odin attack moves into 2 overlords because their positioned slightly in front of July's army to do exactly that...stop the Terran effectively attack moving. He then stims the marines backwards in one direction, with no split. Now, Odin may well have done other things in the game far better than I am capable of, but these are two mistakes that I dont make. Or take NaDa vs. MC: have I thought of making a shit ton of Marauder and Viking vs. a Protoss going gate units+colossus? Oh, you know what, I have - the match was just dull, and pretty predictable - 0 drama factor, and these are two of the better players in the competition, on one of the biggest maps available. I'm thinking...this is NaDa and the GSL3 champion, I should be fucking pumped, but the reality is I cant even be bothered to finish watching, a combination of the players, the units, the maps and the tournament format are leaving me disinterested. BUT: I believe the changes required are smaller than many people are suggesting, more some tweaking of the game, tweaking the map pool, splash of new units with HotS would see the whole situation made pretty sweet. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On January 08 2011 07:39 Caspor wrote: Main problem is that watching GSL is insanely overpriced to ever get big. Only hardcore fans are willing to pay for the stream or on-demand vods. I am not sure but afaik OSL and MSL were free to watch on TV from the start so alot of people who never played it could get hooked by friends who recommended it to them. As long as you have to pay a rather large amount to watch it no one will who doesnt already love it. Now you may say: But theres a free low quality stream! Yes there is, but have u ever tried it since season 2 and it worked and wasnt already full? If they ever want to grow the sc2 fanbase they need to really offer it for free an finance that with ads or sponsors or they will never get enough people who will pay for premium content or watch it live on stage. It simply cant grow the way its run right now just my 2 cents sorry for bad english 10 dollars a month isn't bad even if you don't have a job You can literally go mow someones grass and have enough you can FIND 10$ on the ground if you look hard enough for a month.. | ||
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Caspor
Austria18 Posts
hey mom i want to watch these GREAT games on the internet but it costs 10$ a month and you can only pay by cc may i type your cc number to some random korean page you never heard of please? yea sure honey go ahead.... seriously? | ||
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Nevy
Canada169 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On January 08 2011 07:59 Caspor wrote: yea maybe in the US everyone owns a credit card and paypal account even if they are between 13 and 18 years old hey mom i want to watch these GREAT games on the internet but it costs 10$ a month and you can only pay by cc may i type your cc number to some random korean page you never heard of please? yea sure honey go ahead.... seriously? People still think the internet is some scary place where even the most respectable sites that tons of other people use will still steal you CC info? Tell your mom to do some research and learn about how modern transactions work. | ||
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Mike941
United States98 Posts
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On January 08 2011 07:59 Caspor wrote: yea maybe in the US everyone owns a credit card and paypal account even if they are between 13 and 18 years old hey mom i want to watch these GREAT games on the internet but it costs 10$ a month and you can only pay by cc may i type your cc number to some random korean page you never heard of please? yea sure honey go ahead.... seriously? On January 07 2011 22:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yeah i noted US job creation was four times what was expected but how much of that was just seasonal jobs at department stores etc over christmas? | ||
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Gofarman
Canada646 Posts
On January 08 2011 08:01 Backpack wrote: People still think the internet is some scary place where even the most respectable sites that tons of other people use will still steal you CC info? Tell your mom to do some research and learn about how modern transactions work. or go buy a Mastercard Giftcard... it really isn't that hard to do folks. | ||
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lluminium
85 Posts
On January 08 2011 08:01 Backpack wrote: People still think the internet is some scary place where even the most respectable sites that tons of other people use will still steal you CC info? Tell your mom to do some research and learn about how modern transactions work. No one in our family owns a credit card. It's a risk and has a maintenance fee. Maybe we are just the odd ones out though, not sure. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On January 08 2011 07:39 Caspor wrote: Main problem is that watching GSL is insanely overpriced to ever get big. Only hardcore fans are willing to pay for the stream or on-demand vods. I am not sure but afaik OSL and MSL were free to watch on TV from the start so alot of people who never played it could get hooked by friends who recommended it to them. As long as you have to pay a rather large amount to watch it no one will who doesnt already love it. Now you may say: But theres a free low quality stream! Yes there is, but have u ever tried it since season 2 and it worked and wasnt already full? If they ever want to grow the sc2 fanbase they need to really offer it for free an finance that with ads or sponsors or they will never get enough people who will pay for premium content or watch it live on stage. It simply cant grow the way its run right now just my 2 cents sorry for bad english Here is the problem with your points. One people are not having problems with the free stream. All the people who watch the GSL free stream watch it live every night and its fine for them. Maybe a bit of overload on the GOM site due to activity but that affects everyone. The other point is that they DO get enough people to watch. They had spectacular numbers for their first three seasons, and the marquee big matches had strong showings as you would expect. Yes, if it was free, MORE people would watch (but live, doubtful). You have to understand that only the hardcore of the hardcore will wake up at 4am to watch a video game tournament, no matter how big it is. Even the biggest sports fan will not wake up to watch a 4-9 am games on a daily basis. So really the hardcore fans already have their passes. They opened up the free stream in case someone wants to check in once in a while, and not feel obligated to with paying. And of course, the notion that there needs to be live viewers for this to be successful needs to go. I just don't understand why this would be the case. Watching the games at the comfort of your own home is absolutely better. You can multi-task in between games. Discuss them with all your friends. You watch close up in your HQ screen (rather than a muffled live viewing). The only thing is the atmosphere, which wouldn't be noticeable anyway unless its the championship or something. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On January 08 2011 08:01 Backpack wrote: People still think the internet is some scary place where even the most respectable sites that tons of other people use will still steal you CC info? Tell your mom to do some research and learn about how modern transactions work. rofl tell your mom to do some resaerch rofl. Yea that'll go over well. And by well i mean a couple of weeks without any internet. | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On January 08 2011 07:53 Fa1nT wrote: 10 dollars a month isn't bad even if you don't have a job You can literally go mow someones grass and have enough you can FIND 10$ on the ground if you look hard enough for a month.. since when is it 10? used to be more unless u were a returning customer. Has it go down now? | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On January 08 2011 07:52 Caspor wrote: its even ridiculous they shut down restreams imho. just look at it that way: who watches them? mostly fans that arent willing or cant pay the premium stream for whatever reason so they would like to watch the free stream wich they cant because its always full or not working so the restreams provide a service wich gom isnt able to provide obviously and they get it for free because it reaches a bigger audience who may potentially buy the hq stuff in future seasons. Maybe im missing something here but this looks extremely short sighted to me and as is see it can only fail if they wont change that. Its not ridiculous. They want people to use the GOM player. They are sponsored by Gretech. They also want people to watch their streams so they can get more accurate numbers to show to potential companies. If you are waking up at 4am to watch SC2, how is $10 overpriced? You get so many hours of content its not even a contest. It is probably the cheapest entertainment in history, ever. | ||
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