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HappyCakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 00:36:54
October 03 2010 00:26 GMT
#21
I looked this up abit and found several more players that does this.
Note: I'm not sure about laci and Cocopops.
+ Show Spoiler +

Wiktor
PoC
Nerxedion
BeeHive
Bregoran
Mozz
Cocopops?
Jochen
busbarN
laci?
blacktoss
Profile Joined August 2010
United States121 Posts
October 03 2010 00:36 GMT
#22
Cheating is cheating. A wrong action is still wrong even if it is less wrong than another.
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
October 03 2010 00:41 GMT
#23
On October 03 2010 08:49 deth2munkies wrote:
When Blizzard is doing things like inviting people to Blizzcon due to ladder rankings and presumably using them to run their tourneys in the future, exploiting the ladder IS a big deal.

You can't advance to the top of the ladder, or even advance at all, by playing one person over and over again with a 50/50 win rate. All that's going to do is keep their rating the same if not make it fall.
My vanity is justified
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
October 03 2010 00:42 GMT
#24
--- Nuked ---
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
October 03 2010 00:42 GMT
#25
Looked at their records it goes:

win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost win lost
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kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 03 2010 00:47 GMT
#26
Pretty sure Blizz is gonna strip the achieve and temp ban them for this.

Kinda clever though.
whatsgrackalackin420
hayata2.0
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada655 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 00:54:52
October 03 2010 00:53 GMT
#27
so...they just throw so many games their MMR gets abysmally low, then win-trade with someone else who's done that?

Pretty harmless, seeing as you're going to be rotting with 0 points at the bottom of bronze league...

What's the difference between this and just worker rushing every game and auto-leaving against terran? They're just achievement farming...and abusing the league system/MMR to do that. (One to get opponents bad enough for worker rushes to work, and the other taking it so far you actually consistently get your friend)
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
October 03 2010 00:55 GMT
#28
Still shouldn't we be more polite when a passing stranger takes the time to say, "Hey, I think I saw someone climb through your window!" Maybe it was a burglar. Maybe it wasn't. But I think ArtZ friend did the community a service by asking for TL's opinion. Good on you sir!
Husky: Every drone you lose is like a needle in the eye. Nony: probes win $10k (Earn it! Idra Fighting) :P
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 03 2010 00:56 GMT
#29
On October 03 2010 09:47 kojinshugi wrote:
Pretty sure Blizz is gonna strip the achieve and temp ban them for this.

Kinda clever though.


Temp ban them for? It sounds like you're jealous if you believe they should be punished for doing something that isn't cheating or hacking.
rip passion
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 03 2010 00:57 GMT
#30
OMG THEY'RE GETTING ACHIEVEMENTS

BAN THEM 4 LYFE
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
October 03 2010 01:00 GMT
#31
On October 03 2010 09:53 hayata2.0 wrote:
so...they just throw so many games their MMR gets abysmally low, then win-trade with someone else who's done that?

Pretty harmless, seeing as you're going to be rotting with 0 points at the bottom of bronze league...

What's the difference between this and just worker rushing every game and auto-leaving against terran? They're just achievement farming...and abusing the league system/MMR to do that. (One to get opponents bad enough for worker rushes to work, and the other taking it so far you actually consistently get your friend)


How can this possibly work, even at bronze? So I worker rush you, sending 6 (soon to be 7) workers to your base when the game starts. By the time they get there, your opponent is going to have at least twice as many. Am I missing something?
hayata2.0
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 03 2010 01:18 GMT
#32
On October 03 2010 10:00 Biochemist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2010 09:53 hayata2.0 wrote:
so...they just throw so many games their MMR gets abysmally low, then win-trade with someone else who's done that?

Pretty harmless, seeing as you're going to be rotting with 0 points at the bottom of bronze league...

What's the difference between this and just worker rushing every game and auto-leaving against terran? They're just achievement farming...and abusing the league system/MMR to do that. (One to get opponents bad enough for worker rushes to work, and the other taking it so far you actually consistently get your friend)


How can this possibly work, even at bronze? So I worker rush you, sending 6 (soon to be 7) workers to your base when the game starts. By the time they get there, your opponent is going to have at least twice as many. Am I missing something?


Donno, ask the guy that did it and got the Dark Voice portrait with that.
Mozz78
Profile Joined October 2010
4 Posts
October 04 2010 09:00 GMT
#33
Hello everyone ^^

That's kind of funny, I googled "Win trading Starcraft" to see if Blizzard had said anything about win trading, and found that topic with my name in it (I'm the "Mozz" Happycakes is talking about in his spoiler).

By the way, excuse my English, it's not my mother tongue.

Basically, what happened is I was worker rushing very slowly at the bottom of bronze league to get the 1000 random wins achievements (at 16 wins per hour approximatively). As I was farming, I met someone who was also farming the achievement (he had the hybrid portrait). Curiously, he was leaving the game constantly when facing me. So I was kind of happy "yeah, this is going faster". Then, at the fifth time, he said to me "Why don't you leave the game this time ? I gave you 4-5 wins already". So I thought to myself that it would only be common courtesy to give him a win.
An so it started like that (at least for me because some people were doing that for at least one day before that). The next game, he gave me a win and the next game, I would give him one. And so on...

I think that kind of win trading is bound to happen because we are all worker rushing at the bottom of bronze league, we know each other, and there's really no point in worker rushing each other because that would be a guaranteed loss for the one rushing. So, to gain time, it would be better for us to just leave the game instantly. But then, which one of the rusher should leave ? So, as civilised people, we naturally ended up giving each other wins taking turns.

After that, it appeared to us as we were leaving games constantly that we were regularly facing the same people again and again as we were winning/losing against him. When you think about it, that makes sense because we keep getting the same "virtual ranking". And that became an improvement to the worker rushing method. So now, some people don't even waste their time worker rushing anymore, they only win trade with another achievement rusher.

That's the end of the story, which began probably 2 days ago (at least for me). I would like you to understand that that system emerged naturally among people doing the exact same thing, and not wanting to waste time cheesing each other, as we know how to avoid that kind of cheese. And of course, there's no hack involved. We don't want to be top diamond players for the time being, we just want achievements

Have a good day !
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 04 2010 09:09 GMT
#34
On October 03 2010 08:29 Mutaahh wrote:
really, who gives a crap about people abusing the ladder.

It's way worse when you play vs someone that is cheating.... (maphack or something like that)

if players want to have a high rating just for the kicks, let them have their fun, it doesnt affect you anyway.
So ignore them please.

Hacks, that have an impact on your games, that are the ones you should post about


you definitely weren't around for TSL2 huh?

abusing the ladder is bad. no form of gaining advantage over fellow users should be brushed off as unconsequential
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
October 04 2010 09:18 GMT
#35
I hope blizzard will ban these fuckers soon
i dunno lol
Ashok
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia339 Posts
October 04 2010 09:21 GMT
#36
On October 04 2010 18:00 Mozz78 wrote:
Hello everyone ^^

That's kind of funny, I googled "Win trading Starcraft" to see if Blizzard had said anything about win trading, and found that topic with my name in it (I'm the "Mozz" Happycakes is talking about in his spoiler).

By the way, excuse my English, it's not my mother tongue.

Basically, what happened is I was worker rushing very slowly at the bottom of bronze league to get the 1000 random wins achievements (at 16 wins per hour approximatively). As I was farming, I met someone who was also farming the achievement (he had the hybrid portrait). Curiously, he was leaving the game constantly when facing me. So I was kind of happy "yeah, this is going faster". Then, at the fifth time, he said to me "Why don't you leave the game this time ? I gave you 4-5 wins already". So I thought to myself that it would only be common courtesy to give him a win.
An so it started like that (at least for me because some people were doing that for at least one day before that). The next game, he gave me a win and the next game, I would give him one. And so on...

I think that kind of win trading is bound to happen because we are all worker rushing at the bottom of bronze league, we know each other, and there's really no point in worker rushing each other because that would be a guaranteed loss for the one rushing. So, to gain time, it would be better for us to just leave the game instantly. But then, which one of the rusher should leave ? So, as civilised people, we naturally ended up giving each other wins taking turns.

After that, it appeared to us as we were leaving games constantly that we were regularly facing the same people again and again as we were winning/losing against him. When you think about it, that makes sense because we keep getting the same "virtual ranking". And that became an improvement to the worker rushing method. So now, some people don't even waste their time worker rushing anymore, they only win trade with another achievement rusher.

That's the end of the story, which began probably 2 days ago (at least for me). I would like you to understand that that system emerged naturally among people doing the exact same thing, and not wanting to waste time cheesing each other, as we know how to avoid that kind of cheese. And of course, there's no hack involved. We don't want to be top diamond players for the time being, we just want achievements

Have a good day !


Sounds like a perfectly harmless idea, good thinking!
Ventil
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden414 Posts
October 04 2010 09:22 GMT
#37
Let's implement Red Resign Day.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Red_Resign
Twitter: @VeNtiLSC
WAAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
New Zealand291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 09:25:57
October 04 2010 09:23 GMT
#38
I hope blizzard doesnt ban them, no one is getting hurt, no hacks are used nothing. Its win win for the players doing it, I definately dont have the will to farm achievements in such a manner but to each their own. I hope you guys enjoy your achievements/icons.

Free winning/ladder abuse has definately been a problem in wc3 in the pro ladder with top players getting free winned and other top players "sniping" top players to help their friends. However these two situations are very different.
Amadi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland139 Posts
October 04 2010 09:45 GMT
#39
On October 03 2010 09:56 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2010 09:47 kojinshugi wrote:
Pretty sure Blizz is gonna strip the achieve and temp ban them for this.

Kinda clever though.


Temp ban them for? It sounds like you're jealous if you believe they should be punished for doing something that isn't cheating or hacking.


It's not cheating like dodging koreans in BW ladder wasn't cheating. No matter what you want to argue, they are abusing the system to gain benefits.

You are correct about it not being hacking, though.
MindRush
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania916 Posts
October 04 2010 09:45 GMT
#40
if you play random alot, you will eventually get 1000 wins with each race, no matter how good or bad you play. with the level of play in the copper league, wins are faster, and a win against a total n00b is the same as beating Sen in the achievements.
so if some1 offers $2k for the first one to get one of those, let him lose his cash
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
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