EPTwho cares if you have 1000 wins when ur 0 points bronze?
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
who cares if you have 1000 wins when ur 0 points bronze? | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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FreezerJumps
Canada653 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
So this really doesnt matter. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 04 2010 20:21 Casta wrote: It is not elitism, achievements are just tricking people into thinking they can become famous when in reality nobody gives a shit. If you can't get efamous by being pro (which includes me), trying to get famous through achievements just seems an even more pathetic waste of time which could be spent on something useful not necessarily in starcraft. But hey it is just like real life where lots of people also try to get famous by doing stupid shit, the sooner those people realize that they suck the sooner they can get on with their life and make room for people with real talent and skill. I really don't understand you. Of course no one thinks they'll become famous for getting 5000 achievement points. But there's other people working for the same things that you can "compete" with, plus it's just a personal goal that's fun to fulfill for some people. Everyone can and should have goals, the idea that the only reasonable goal is to be a world class professional at something is idiocy, a kind of fellow traveler with the idea of "you're special" that half of modern parents feed their children. Being #1 in your division is a goal. Getting the 4k wins achievement is a goal. And yes, winning the GSL or getting signed with an esports team is a goal. "Get on with your life" implies you're going to be doing something more meaningful with your life than get those 5000 achievement points and have fun along the way. Which is highly unlikely. 90% of celebrities and sports heroes are forgotten in a generation, so really, they're not doing anything that noteworthy either. I get it, you don't care to follow the "achievement competition", because it's boring and doesn't involve amazing talent. I agree. But Blizzard is not a software version of Zamboni, existing only to service the esports arena. They don't make their profits off of Jaedong, they make their profits off that guy climbing his 2v2 silver ladder. Adidas doesn't make their money selling shoes to Zinedine Zidane, they make their money selling them to all the French kids who think they're gonna become as good as him. EDIT: On October 04 2010 20:27 Subversion wrote: still amazed by people actually caring about achievements enough to do this kind of crap. who cares if you have 1000 wins when ur 0 points bronze? The amount of people who care about that is relatively similar to the amount of people who care if you're 2000 points in Diamond, or won the GSL. | ||
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tetracycloide
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MetalSlug
Germany443 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:18 kojinshugi wrote: I really don't understand you. Of course no one thinks they'll become famous for getting 5000 achievement points. But there's other people working for the same things that you can "compete" with, plus it's just a personal goal that's fun to fulfill for some people. Everyone can and should have goals, the idea that the only reasonable goal is to be a world class professional at something is idiocy, a kind of fellow traveler with the idea of "you're special" that half of modern parents feed their children. Being #1 in your division is a goal. Getting the 4k wins achievement is a goal. And yes, winning the GSL or getting signed with an esports team is a goal. "Get on with your life" implies you're going to be doing something more meaningful with your life than get those 5000 achievement points and have fun along the way. Which is highly unlikely. 90% of celebrities and sports heroes are forgotten in a generation, so really, they're not doing anything that noteworthy either. I get it, you don't care to follow the "achievement competition", because it's boring and doesn't involve amazing talent. I agree. But Blizzard is not a software version of Zamboni, existing only to service the esports arena. They don't make their profits off of Jaedong, they make their profits off that guy climbing his 2v2 silver ladder. Adidas doesn't make their money selling shoes to Zinedine Zidane, they make their money selling them to all the French kids who think they're gonna become as good as him. EDIT: The amount of people who care about that is relatively similar to the amount of people who care if you're 2000 points in Diamond, or won the GSL. This man speaks the truth, i agree 100%. | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:18 kojinshugi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2010 20:21 Casta wrote: It is not elitism, achievements are just tricking people into thinking they can become famous when in reality nobody gives a shit. If you can't get efamous by being pro (which includes me), trying to get famous through achievements just seems an even more pathetic waste of time which could be spent on something useful not necessarily in starcraft. But hey it is just like real life where lots of people also try to get famous by doing stupid shit, the sooner those people realize that they suck the sooner they can get on with their life and make room for people with real talent and skill. I really don't understand you. Of course no one thinks they'll become famous for getting 5000 achievement points. But there's other people working for the same things that you can "compete" with, plus it's just a personal goal that's fun to fulfill for some people. Everyone can and should have goals, the idea that the only reasonable goal is to be a world class professional at something is idiocy, a kind of fellow traveler with the idea of "you're special" that half of modern parents feed their children. Being #1 in your division is a goal. Getting the 4k wins achievement is a goal. And yes, winning the GSL or getting signed with an esports team is a goal. "Get on with your life" implies you're going to be doing something more meaningful with your life than get those 5000 achievement points and have fun along the way. Which is highly unlikely. 90% of celebrities and sports heroes are forgotten in a generation, so really, they're not doing anything that noteworthy either. I get it, you don't care to follow the "achievement competition", because it's boring and doesn't involve amazing talent. I agree. But Blizzard is not a software version of Zamboni, existing only to service the esports arena. They don't make their profits off of Jaedong, they make their profits off that guy climbing his 2v2 silver ladder. Adidas doesn't make their money selling shoes to Zinedine Zidane, they make their money selling them to all the French kids who think they're gonna become as good as him. EDIT: On October 04 2010 20:27 Subversion wrote: still amazed by people actually caring about achievements enough to do this kind of crap. who cares if you have 1000 wins when ur 0 points bronze? The amount of people who care about that is relatively similar to the amount of people who care if you're 2000 points in Diamond, or won the GSL. What people who care about being skillful at something and other people recognising it? Actually I see your point, there is no point of achieving skill or attaining mastery... Let's make all people who aspire to be good at something stop. Let us, one person at a time... First let's start off by breaking Messi's leg. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:26 ooni wrote: What people who care about being skillful at something and other people recognising it? Actually I see your point, there is no point of achieving skill or attaining mastery... Let's make all people who aspire to be good at something stop. Let us, one person at a time... First let's start off by breaking Messi's leg. How was that my point at all? I was saying the opposite. Everyone's achievements matter. It's just that more people are actually interested in the achievements of Idra and TLO and Cool and whatnot. That doesn't lead to a dichotomy of "anything that isn't top level professional play is worthless garbage". I don't personally care if the guys get banned or not, I'm explaining why I think Blizzard will ban them. Because the amount of their paying customers who care if people are cheating is high enough for it to matter to Blizzard. Even if these people don't explicitly think this is ban-worthy, their opinions of the achievement will drop ("oh they just cheat and wintrade"), devaluing Blizzard's content, which just happens to be their bread and butter. Although I doubt it'll be a ban, they'll probably get a warning/suspension and a wipe of their match histories. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
On October 03 2010 08:36 ChickenLips wrote: who cares? cool could just as well shit all over his terran opponent with a big banana grin on his face. Fixed. Yeah GSL is over but it was sooooooooooo goooooooooood | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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jaeds
United States106 Posts
grats to them, and i hope they enjoy the pretty pictures before they queue for their bronze matches | ||
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tetracycloide
295 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:36 kojinshugi wrote:I don't personally care if the guys get banned or not, I'm explaining why I think Blizzard will ban them. Because the amount of their paying customers who care if people are cheating is high enough for it to matter to Blizzard. Even if these people don't explicitly think this is ban-worthy, their opinions of the achievement will drop ("oh they just cheat and wintrade"), devaluing Blizzard's content, which just happens to be their bread and butter. Although I doubt it'll be a ban, they'll probably get a warning/suspension and a wipe of their match histories. So your theory is not only are there players that overvalue "X wins as Y race" achievements but that Blizzard overvalues it as well? I hope you're wrong. Anyone, including Blizzard, that thought these things meant more then simply: 'Find a way to win X times as quickly as possible' was misguided. | ||
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Chronicle
161 Posts
For anyone expecting a 0 point bronze to really be that bad, you have the intelligence qualified to be one. | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
And i don't mind ladder "abusing" aslong as its not to get like top diamond somehow etc | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
I asked myself if it can get more silly than workerrushing, and the simple answer is: Yep - it can. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 04 2010 22:13 tetracycloide wrote: So your theory is not only are there players that overvalue "X wins as Y race" achievements but that Blizzard overvalues it as well? I hope you're wrong. Anyone, including Blizzard, that thought these things meant more then simply: 'Find a way to win X times as quickly as possible' was misguided. Blizzard meant these as what the achievement text says - win 1000 games on the ladder. Gaming the matchmaking system so you can win trade isn't the ladder, it's an artificial construct created by colluding players exploiting the ladder. And no one "overvalues" anything. Value is inherently subjective. I'm going to assume that you would never approve of a tournament finalist taking a dive to split the prize money. They could take turns winning and losing to stay famous and highly paid but actually guarantee maximum income to both of them over the long run. Yet no one else would be hurt (everyone else was already eliminated), and the two finalists colluded to ensure both were paid handsomely. Is the reason why you can probably understand the concept of fair play in actual 1v1 tournaments, but not in the achievement game in any way influenced by thinking that these achievements are a pointless waste of time? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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