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@Plexa sorry to misinterpret your response, I understand now and yea i totally agree.
@Mato you can't possibly think that what you're saying makes sense. I know a player is his own ambassador, and he must try to represent himself as professionally as possible, but tings happen, things get said in the heat of competition. How would you feel to get banned or kicked out of something, because someone has a screenshot of u BMing some1 on ladder for 6pooling you?
"Sorry you can't play TSL3 because we have records indicating you called some one a scrub 2 months ago"
Yea, really logical.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:57 Mato wrote:
@Plexa - I don't, but what I think is irrelevant. The fact that the two of them degenerated into a decent amount of lines of shittalk is enough for the league to decide... and they did.
Not saying I agree with the bans, just that organisations have rules... That doesn't make the decision any less retarded. When this is a friendly clan war and people are playing in it for fun, they certainly are doing their damndest to piss off the players.
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On September 07 2010 12:49 IefNaij wrote:
drama/bm/rivalry makes the game more entertaining, no one should be disqualified from the league.. quite stupid imo >_<
yeah man, look at idra
hate it or love it the guy has stolen a lot of my time with his artosis interviews and TL posts t.t
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I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
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"But things happen"
Maybe you (I'm guessing are the leader) recruit so things "don't happen"?.
Manner is fairly important to me, maybe because I've been involved with CS and then WoW arena communities so long where there is basically no manner... just a competition to see who can be the most abusive. I enjoy playing SC2 and win/lose enjoying myself without shittalk.
Just say again for the record, don't agree with the ban. But you can't expect sympathy.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 Mato wrote:
"But things happen"
Maybe you (I'm guessing are the leader) recruit so things "don't happen"?.
Manner is fairly important to me, maybe because I've been involved with CS and then WoW arena communities so long where there is basically no manner... just a competition to see who can be the most abusive. I enjoy playing SC2 and win/lose enjoying myself without shittalk.
Just say again for the record, don't agree with the ban. But you can't expect sympathy.
So would you think its fair for some one to take your shit talking in CS into consideration when they are contemplating letting you play an event in SC2? No one is perfect, saying I should recruit so that things "don't happen" is stupid. People get mad, even professional athletes and gamers. He lost his cool once, is it going to haunt him forever? And this is just talking, what if he ACTUALLY broke a rule? 
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On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now.
Let's keep in mind this isn't about CatZ or his builds or his "mindgames" There would be a huge argument as to whether or not lyrical mindgames should or should not be allowed in the competitive sc2 game, but this is not the place for that.
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i disagree with the ban. Where in the rules does it say "if you bm we will disqualify you".
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What the hell is SGL? I read through the whole thread, maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything explaining what it is. I did a bit of searching and all I find is the GSL, which is obviously unrelated.
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This seems way over the top, doesn't seem like they have any other proof of BM (I don't even consider this BM, it is BM because he said fucking?, people curse). Sorry for your team NrG, that was a terrible decision, I hope after seeing this thread he will let you continue the league.
What the hell is SGL? I read through the whole thread, maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything explaining what it is. I did a bit of searching and all I find is the GSL, which is obviously unrelated.
http://sgleague.forumotion.com/forum.htm
Its a sc2 team league type deal
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This decision is really silly, I was in NrG vent channel when it all went down (the decision). It was so sudden, there was no discussion (at least from what I was hearing), just "you guys are out of the league". I basically agree with what Plexa/JF are saying because to be DQ'd from something as SILLY as this is just baffling. Let players BM each other a little, let there be some rivalry, let there be a bit of drama. At the end of the day, it's just a game and we're all trying to have some fun.
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Unless there are specific rules about players talking via the in-game chat (i know some leagues have this), I don't really see any reason for CatZ to suffer from this. I don't really see him stating that he's 7pooling being BM.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
Something very weird must be going on in your head if you think that talking is an "unfair" advantage.
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SGL is a no-name league. Let us forget about it and watch the GSL Open.
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On September 07 2010 13:15 Mercatosis wrote:
Unless there are specific rules about players talking via the in-game chat (i know some leagues have this), I don't really see any reason for CatZ to suffer from this. I don't really see him stating that he's 7pooling being BM.
This is your first post, and it was a bad one. I don't want CatZ to suffer from this, this wasn't even the issue. Did you read the chatlogs in the game between he and ahhboxxah? Or did you watch the replay? Did you even read my hole OP?
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I can't think of a single professional sport where this kind of trashtalk would get you banned from an entire league. Warnings and fines - happens all the time, even being DQ'd from a match or a player recieving a 1 match ban happens now and then, but an entire team being removed from a whole competition? I think this is completely unreasonable, especially considering there wasn't even racism or homophobia involved (the only things I would even consider banning someone for BM over)
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00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
I think this is really where the problem should have been if you are looking at CatZ's actions.
And I feel that this is just as bad as what got nrg the ban... so... I'm not sure I understand where the decision came from at all...
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United States10774 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now.
What? Is this a joke? Saying shit during the game to your opponent isn't mindgame. It's a bad taste. It should just not be allowed - especially in a clan war or tournament setting.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:24 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now. What? Is this a joke? Saying shit during the game to your opponent isn't mindgame. It's a bad taste. It should just not be allowed - especially in a clan war or tournament setting.
Whatever, it's not the issue. If you're going to disallow it fine, but make sure it's well known in advance etc. The rules don't stipulate that you need to be quiet all game so what Catz did is fine.
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