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I said "im 7 pooling (fair warning)" exactly, because its one of my main opening builds on steppes of war and I don't like it when people call it cheese, as my follow up is i think good, or at least has good winning ratio against almost every protoss i've played in NA. Built a hatch outside of his base to lure him out, I was plenty ahead and could afford it, also it worked.
I don't ever try to be bm unless bm'd first, AhhBoxah got on my nerves as he talked like this after he already won the game, and I answered back (perhaps i shouldnt've).
From my understanding the admins decided to ban NrG because of previous behavior and not this situation alone. I told the admins i was more than happy to finish the clanwar as I don't like to take free wins, and again I think im a nice guy, unless provoked. I agree with NeverExpo that this is no reason to dq them from the league, and again I was (and still am) more than willing to finish the clanwar, however it was the admin's choice because this was not the first time this happened with NrG.
After this, NeverExpo msg'd me on Starcraft2 I explained to him that It wasn't my choice or my wish for them to be dq'd on the back of this incident. He continued to poke on the incident and was pretty insisting and bm over a situation I have no control over.
Later on he msg'd me to apologize about his previous behavior, I gladly accepted his apology and he proceeded to tell me he'd post about this incident on TL because he didn't think it was fair. and that's I guess my side of the story if it matters.
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On September 07 2010 12:39 CatZ.root wrote:
I said "im 7 pooling (fair warning)" exactly, because its one of my main opening builds on steppes of war and I don't like it when people call it cheese, as my follow up is i think good, or at least has good winning ratio against almost every protoss i've played in NA. Built a hatch outside of his base to lure him out, I was plenty ahead and could afford it, also it worked.
He's not lying here. Raelcun has told me many times how CatZ and everyone argue about it being a legit strat. CatZ really does feel it's not an all in.
I don't care about the drama I just wanted to say I could verify that that statement is not a lie or a stretching of the truth.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing....
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Yea what CatZ said is true, i did get very upset and took it out on him which i shudnt have, and i immediately appologized afterwards. The "BM" incident people from inflow are referring to is something that happened close to 2 months ago in a friendly CW between NrG and inflow. Boxxah did say something stupid during that clan war, and he lost, and i told him it was wrong and ofc he knew it was wrong. But considering an incident like that towards a league is absolutely ridiculous. Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events. SGL admins once again made a horrible decision in taking something from a CW that didn't even matter and holding it against us in their league..
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CatZ is known for being a funny/joking guy, as well as having a reputation of 7 pooling on Steppes vs toss(I am assuming that is what happened with the 7 pool). DQ for a single game of back and forth BM seems a bit unreasonable, but from what I heard, it also happened in the matches between NrG and team nG(would like to see a representative from NrG confirming/confirming this). If that is true, then a DQ could be reasonable if this has occurred previously and how severe the BM was.
After watching the replay, CatZ just responded with insults of his own after being attacked by the NrG player, which is understandable. And expanding to your opponents natural is fine... if your in the lead, securing the lead is a acceptable thing to do, Flash has done so in televised games. I understand how this can be considered as BM by Boxxah as it is a bit of a slap in the face such as nuking in SC1, pylon/cannon heart(bit more BM), but they are all acceptable things to do.
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Hi, Bamboo here.
There is slightly more to the story (after talking to the admin along with NeverExpo on MSN after the news was broken to me). GnR (admin) claims that NrG has a BM reputation already due to 2 events that happened in the past.
One event was against team nG, I believe a week ago, when one of our members called an opposing team member "cheesy". This was said in spectator chat only, none of the players were disturbed and there was no BM from either side in a public setting. At all. But that seems to be one of the two situations that cast NrG as a BM team.
The other event was against team inflow several weeks ago in which one of our players did say "gg scrub" after being cheesed and lost. The kicker here is that it had nothing to do with SGL, and was just a friendly CW.
And I'll just leave that with a small excerpt from our MSN conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +SGL]GnR says:
yes i give you one chacne
its qualifiers
there are no second chances
kurt says:
so what have we done wrong before this
do u have any records of it?
or do u have 2 people
coming to you
SGL]GnR says:
i dont need records
kurt says:
and making shit up
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
kurt says:
because they lost clan wars?
u know how pissed some ppl get when they lose
SGL]GnR says:
i apologize
but the decision is final
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On September 07 2010 12:45 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Yea what CatZ said is true, i did get very upset and took it out on him which i shudnt have, and i immediately appologized afterwards. The "BM" incident people from inflow are referring to is something that happened close to 2 months ago in a friendly CW between NrG and inflow. Boxxah did say something stupid during that clan war, and he lost, and i told him it was wrong and ofc he knew it was wrong. But considering an incident like that towards a league is absolutely ridiculous. Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events. SGL admins once again made a horrible decision in taking something from a CW that didn't even matter and holding it against us in their league..
Oh that's just what I remembered. I had no idea if it was related to SGL or not as I wasn't there at the time and I doubt anyone on Inflow has brought it up with SGL. We just brought it up like a week ago in Vent when talking about SGL teams so I thought it might have been something recent. My bad lol.
Edit - If this incident IS part of the reasoning the SGL admins used, that's lame. Their BM from 2 months ago in something not associated with SGL is no reason for them to be DQ'ed.
Nor is calling something cheesy in chat.
People need thicker skins and learn to just ignore BM lol.
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Canada291 Posts
drama/bm/rivalry makes the game more entertaining, no one should be disqualified from the league.. quite stupid imo >_<
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On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing....
It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support.
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On September 07 2010 12:39 CatZ.root wrote:
I said "im 7 pooling (fair warning)" exactly, because its one of my main opening builds on steppes of war and I don't like it when people call it cheese, as my follow up is i think good, or at least has good winning ratio against almost every protoss i've played in NA. Built a hatch outside of his base to lure him out, I was plenty ahead and could afford it, also it worked.
I don't ever try to be bm unless bm'd first, AhhBoxah got on my nerves as he talked like this after he already won the game, and I answered back (perhaps i shouldnt've).
From my understanding the admins decided to ban NrG because of previous behavior and not this situation alone. I told the admins i was more than happy to finish the clanwar as I don't like to take free wins, and again I think im a nice guy, unless provoked. I agree with NeverExpo that this is no reason to dq them from the league, and again I was (and still am) more than willing to finish the clanwar, however it was the admin's choice because this was not the first time this happened with NrG.
After this, NeverExpo msg'd me on Starcraft2 I explained to him that It wasn't my choice or my wish for them to be dq'd on the back of this incident. He continued to poke on the incident and was pretty insisting and bm over a situation I have no control over.
Later on he msg'd me to apologize about his previous behavior, I gladly accepted his apology and he proceeded to tell me he'd post about this incident on TL because he didn't think it was fair. and that's I guess my side of the story if it matters.
Hi, and just for the record, I had no issues with the game we played; I am an extremely emotional player and was raging quite hard, but none of which was heard by anyone outside of my room (I didn't even mention anything to my teammates about the game afterwards).
A lot of my players also wanted to finish the CW as well =[
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support.
No I think the fact you guys were disqualified over something like this is silly. The administration for this tournament should step up and realise how fucking stupid this is.
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On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support.
Looks pretty clear cut from here, no offense. You both BM'd each other (CatZ being the "less" I'd say, considering what he did initially wasn't even bm). You both got warnings, but in your case this was a third strike.
How can you say being BM in another competition has no relevance? Third time your clan has been BM and you want people to feel sorry for you? No
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:53 Mato wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support. Looks pretty clear cut from here, no offense. You both BM'd each other (CatZ being the "less" I'd say, considering what he did initially wasn't even bm). You both got warnings, but in your case this was a third strike. How can you say being BM in another competition has no relevance? Third time your clan has been BM and you want people to feel sorry for you? No
You call that BM? For crying out loud man, just let people play the game and stop worrying about petty shit like this.
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On September 07 2010 12:53 Mato wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support. Looks pretty clear cut from here, no offense. You both BM'd each other (CatZ being the "less" I'd say, considering what he did initially wasn't even bm). You both got warnings, but in your case this was a third strike. How can you say being BM in another competition has no relevance? Third time your clan has been BM and you want people to feel sorry for you? No
"friendly clan war" and "another competition" are different things i think...
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based off the info purely in the op, utterly, utterly retarded decision -_-;;
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On September 07 2010 12:48 Valentine wrote:
]SGL]GnR says:
yes i give you one chacne
its qualifiers
there are no second chances
kurt says:
so what have we done wrong before this
do u have any records of it?
or do u have 2 people
coming to you
SGL]GnR says:
i dont need records
kurt says:
and making shit up
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
kurt says:
because they lost clan wars?
u know how pissed some ppl get when they lose
SGL]GnR says:
i apologize
but the decision is final
Wow, not a good attitude for a tournament organizer. Yes dude you do need records. Aren't you the league with like 94 pages of rules?
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I think the decision is pretty harsh... and catz 7 pooling on steppes.. i lost from it too :/
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@Plexa - I don't, but what I think is irrelevant. The fact that the two of them degenerated into a decent amount of lines of shittalk is enough for the league to decide... and they did.
Not saying I agree with the bans, just that organisations have rules...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:56 stalife wrote:
I think the decision is pretty harsh... and catz 7 pooling on steppes.. i lost from it too :/
Yea man 7pool is legit on that map. Stupid short rush distance >.<
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