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Warning: This is a thread to merely shed light on a situation that my team, Team NrG, has faced tonight regarding a clan war between NrG. and RooT.
Setting: it was 2-1 for Root in the CW. NrG.Bamboo had just lost to CatZ during an odd game. CatZ started the game out by stating "Im going 7 pool". To me this is cocky and poor mannered, regardless of whether he was 7pooling or not (which he happened to be). He then went on to beat bamboo, placing hatchery at bamboo's natural expansion, I guess in hopes to lighten his mood after beating him (another form of disrespect, maybe many wouldn't consider it BM, but its like building pylon heart in midmap, but catz did it for no reason). Bamboo left the game with a GG and on to game 4.
Note: These sorts of word mind-games were disallowed long ago in pro gaming because of incident i believe with Boxer on Forte? And for this exact reason O_O
Game 4 saw NrG.AhhBoxxah against CatZ on metalopolis. The game went on for almost 30 minutes, and in the end AhhBoxxah played a pretty decent comeback win. He went on to say "Dont fuckin bm my teammates plz". This was directed at CatZ, for his actions earlier towards Bamboo. Boxxah obviously should not have opened his mouth, but what he said wasn't overly BM, or wasn't even BM at all. CatZ then proceeded with calling AhhBoxxah a BM Idiot, Stupid Newb, and fucking newb or something.
The reason why I'm posting this is not because I care about what root has to say to us. Quite frankly I'm deeply sorry this happened within our clanwar, I'm sure both sides regret their actions, and I have nothing but great respect for them. But because of this game between AhhBoxxah and CatZ, NrG. was "Disqualified from SGL for BM". I'm more than upset about this, and I really wanted to show everyone how this league is run, and how unfair the decision was. From 1 recorded incident of "BM" towards root, our team is let go from the competition entirely, while root's only punishment was a warning to CatZ. IMO they didn't do anything wrong, but if NrG's player crossed a line, then CatZ definitely crossed with him. I think the admins decision favored RooT because of their position in the scene, so there isn't much we can do there.
I'd like to know what you guys think, and I'm sorry to bring this drama here but I'm very upset with this decision, and I'm hoping to get some comfort in the form of feedback from you, the people. There was no prior warning from the admin, and there was only that incident in the CW that got us removed. RooT even wanted to finish the CW, and offered to do so, but the admin's decision was final. Seems like something strange happened that I missed, but I'd like to know what you guys think.
Here is the replay of NrG.AhhBoxxah vs ROOT.CatZ. Decide for yourself if use getting removed from this league was the right choice. Thanks for reading, I appreciate everyone's feedback :D NrG.AhhBoxxah vs ROOT.CatZ
EDIT: Chatlog of the game courtesy of Huameng! + Show Spoiler [chatlog] +00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: diid
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: out
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: plz
00:09:10 - CatZ to ALL: out plz
00:19:46 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: dont fucking bm my teammates plz
00:19:50 - CatZ to ALL: ?
00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
00:19:56 - CatZ to ALL: i told your team mate
00:19:57 - CatZ to ALL: what i was doing
00:19:59 - CatZ to ALL: so it wouldnt be bm
00:20:01 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: kk
00:20:02 - CatZ to ALL: you think you're good
00:20:03 - CatZ to ALL: cause you play
00:20:04 - CatZ to ALL: terran
00:20:05 - CatZ to ALL: and
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: rofl
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: l2p
00:20:06 - CatZ to ALL: dare bm me
00:20:07 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: plz
00:20:09 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: hahaha
00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
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I definitely don't think that your name should play a role in how you're treated in a competition. NRG is no stranger to the starcraft scene and even though you guys don't play in too many events I don't think that's a reason to treat you differently.
If Starcraft is going to be a goddamn popularity contest, I don't want to play anymore. 
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Well, no, i disagree waht catz did was just fucking around, but what Ahhboxxah did i see how some could consider BM.
But DQing on those grounds is a clear favoritism in favor of the more famous team.
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It doesn't sound like CatZ was intentionally trying to be BM. CatZ likes to joke around a lot and will often joke about 6/7 pooling. He's a pretty nice guy, so I can't imagine it was in bad taste.
What the NrG guy said is 10000000x worse than what CatZ did.
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sounds like bias to me, both are arguable and shouldn't be bannable imho
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Make sure to watch the end of the replay before commenting because the conversation between ahhboxxah and catz holds more to it than what was listed.
I want to underline the fact that this is nothing against root. My team and i feel like we were treated unfairly and are just wanting the opinions of unbiased others.
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am i the only one who thinks that catz action was just as bad as the nrg guy's? o.O
not saying that either one is a big deal, to me ... neither should be a basis of a clan's termination in a league lol...
edit: IdrA should have lost his KesPA liscence by now 
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Are there rules outlined saying that BM can disqualify your team? If so, then they're just enforcing them, but if not it does seem pretty unfair.
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I think that was AhhBoxxah did was very uncalled for and BM, I don't find what CatZ did to be especially BM if BM at all. I think AhhBoxxah definitely crossed a line after taking serious offense to CatZ's comments the game before.
Edit) I still don't think NrG should have been disqualified for his action, it wasn't THAT BM
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I agree with Sfydjklm they shouldn't have been DQ and should've jut gone with a warning and play on. But the admin made a horrible decision and should be retracted from that.
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I myself have not had a great time in this league as well, don't stress it too muc hkurt
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+ Show Spoiler [chatlog] +00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: diid
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: out
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: plz
00:09:10 - CatZ to ALL: out plz
00:19:46 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: dont fucking bm my teammates plz
00:19:50 - CatZ to ALL: ?
00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
00:19:56 - CatZ to ALL: i told your team mate
00:19:57 - CatZ to ALL: what i was doing
00:19:59 - CatZ to ALL: so it wouldnt be bm
00:20:01 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: kk
00:20:02 - CatZ to ALL: you think you're good
00:20:03 - CatZ to ALL: cause you play
00:20:04 - CatZ to ALL: terran
00:20:05 - CatZ to ALL: and
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: rofl
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: l2p
00:20:06 - CatZ to ALL: dare bm me
00:20:07 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: plz
00:20:09 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: hahaha
00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
There is no way that only 1 of them gets banned for BM after that chatlog. I think catz was a lot more BM than the nrg guy but no way that little BM should get anyone in trouble.
Also there is nothing nice about taking your opponent's natural after 7pooling him -_-
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According to the admin of the SGL this was not NRG's first "Bm offense" which is why they were removed from the league. Multiple teams prior to the Root vs. NRG clanwar had registered complaints with the admins, and this was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
Root had no intention to get anyone disqualified from the SGL, and we received a warning, just as NRG had when the complaints were registered against them. I think its unfair to say favoritism played a role here, when the admins reacted the exact same way they did in the past to this offense.
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ah a BM Idiot, Stupid Newb, and fucking newb or something.
exact quote please.
I don't think a mind game like that is bm, perhaps the rules will change in the future but for now blame the league for allowing chat. Your player over reacted. He doesn't need to say a thing. I side with you on the excessive penalty, however not on the attitude.
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This league fucking sucks. Why would anyone be banned for any of those things?
You don't mention the league in your post as far as I can tell btw. Not sure why.
Edit: SGL I guess. What the hell SGL? It's just some talk... What is the point of a god damn clan war if there is no rivalry.
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On September 07 2010 12:31 huameng wrote:+ Show Spoiler [chatlog] +00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: diid
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: out
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: plz
00:09:10 - CatZ to ALL: out plz
00:19:46 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: dont fucking bm my teammates plz
00:19:50 - CatZ to ALL: ?
00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
00:19:56 - CatZ to ALL: i told your team mate
00:19:57 - CatZ to ALL: what i was doing
00:19:59 - CatZ to ALL: so it wouldnt be bm
00:20:01 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: kk
00:20:02 - CatZ to ALL: you think you're good
00:20:03 - CatZ to ALL: cause you play
00:20:04 - CatZ to ALL: terran
00:20:05 - CatZ to ALL: and
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: rofl
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: l2p
00:20:06 - CatZ to ALL: dare bm me
00:20:07 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: plz
00:20:09 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: hahaha
00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb There is no way that only 1 of them gets banned for BM after that chatlog. I think catz was a lot more BM than the nrg guy but no way that little BM should get anyone in trouble. Also there is nothing nice about taking your opponent's natural after 7pooling him -_-
rofl at catz saying he's the msot manner person in the world lol. If he was he wouldn't have said any of that
Also root got a warning while they got banned because they have had complaints in the past. No favoritism going on here...
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On September 07 2010 12:29 Cade wrote:
I think that was AhhBoxxah did was very uncalled for and BM, I don't find what CatZ did to be especially BM if BM at all. I think AhhBoxxah definitely crossed a line after taking serious offense to CatZ's comments the game before.
I disagree. If you were to see a teammate and friend get bullied you'd stand up for them, wouldn't you? AhhBoxxah definitely misread the situation (most likely because he's not familiar with CatZ, but I couldn't say for sure) but understandably so.
One way or the other, neither player nor team should be banned from this event, much less scrutinized the way they were. When people compete, some bm is bound to come out from time to time but it doesn't take a very big man to move on from it shortly after.
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Catz didn't really cuss your teammate out. Also if the game was close the hatchery would delay a counter attack and expansion.
Think of it like this.... a guy comes up to you at a bar and says "I'm going 7pool", its a neutral statement, slightly cocky if anything... but you wouldnt be fighting becausse of it.
Then a guy comes up to you and says "Don't fucking bm my team". The bartender of course kicks you out.
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On September 07 2010 12:33 prodiG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:29 Cade wrote:
I think that was AhhBoxxah did was very uncalled for and BM, I don't find what CatZ did to be especially BM if BM at all. I think AhhBoxxah definitely crossed a line after taking serious offense to CatZ's comments the game before. I disagree. If you were to see a teammate and friend get bullied you'd stand up for them, wouldn't you? AhhBoxxah definitely misread the situation (most likely because he's not familiar with CatZ, but I couldn't say for sure) but understandably so. One way or the other, neither player nor team should be banned from this event, much less scrutinized the way they were. When people compete, some bm is bound to come out from time to time but it doesn't take a very big man to move on from it shortly after.
The thing is, CatZ didn't bully him at all, he made a small statement that mentioned the strategy he was going to use. That's a tactic that is perfectly legit as far as I'm concerned, as long as talking is allowed by the tournament organizers.
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NRG had an issue with Inflow before if I'm correct. I think it was the same guy calling Masq a scrub. Either way, telling your opponent your strategy isn't really BM. I take it as more of a psychological thing. What Ahhboxxah did was BM. It was rude and disrespectful. If someone BMs you, be the bigger person and stay respectful. Especially if you are representing a team or clan. CatZ didn't handle the situation any better from watching the replay. But if CatZ got a warning and NRG got a ban (as it's apparently not their first offense) then that's reasonable, provided that ROOT doesn't BM later and not get banned.
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