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Warning: This is a thread to merely shed light on a situation that my team, Team NrG, has faced tonight regarding a clan war between NrG. and RooT.
Setting: it was 2-1 for Root in the CW. NrG.Bamboo had just lost to CatZ during an odd game. CatZ started the game out by stating "Im going 7 pool". To me this is cocky and poor mannered, regardless of whether he was 7pooling or not (which he happened to be). He then went on to beat bamboo, placing hatchery at bamboo's natural expansion, I guess in hopes to lighten his mood after beating him (another form of disrespect, maybe many wouldn't consider it BM, but its like building pylon heart in midmap, but catz did it for no reason). Bamboo left the game with a GG and on to game 4.
Note: These sorts of word mind-games were disallowed long ago in pro gaming because of incident i believe with Boxer on Forte? And for this exact reason O_O
Game 4 saw NrG.AhhBoxxah against CatZ on metalopolis. The game went on for almost 30 minutes, and in the end AhhBoxxah played a pretty decent comeback win. He went on to say "Dont fuckin bm my teammates plz". This was directed at CatZ, for his actions earlier towards Bamboo. Boxxah obviously should not have opened his mouth, but what he said wasn't overly BM, or wasn't even BM at all. CatZ then proceeded with calling AhhBoxxah a BM Idiot, Stupid Newb, and fucking newb or something.
The reason why I'm posting this is not because I care about what root has to say to us. Quite frankly I'm deeply sorry this happened within our clanwar, I'm sure both sides regret their actions, and I have nothing but great respect for them. But because of this game between AhhBoxxah and CatZ, NrG. was "Disqualified from SGL for BM". I'm more than upset about this, and I really wanted to show everyone how this league is run, and how unfair the decision was. From 1 recorded incident of "BM" towards root, our team is let go from the competition entirely, while root's only punishment was a warning to CatZ. IMO they didn't do anything wrong, but if NrG's player crossed a line, then CatZ definitely crossed with him. I think the admins decision favored RooT because of their position in the scene, so there isn't much we can do there.
I'd like to know what you guys think, and I'm sorry to bring this drama here but I'm very upset with this decision, and I'm hoping to get some comfort in the form of feedback from you, the people. There was no prior warning from the admin, and there was only that incident in the CW that got us removed. RooT even wanted to finish the CW, and offered to do so, but the admin's decision was final. Seems like something strange happened that I missed, but I'd like to know what you guys think.
Here is the replay of NrG.AhhBoxxah vs ROOT.CatZ. Decide for yourself if use getting removed from this league was the right choice. Thanks for reading, I appreciate everyone's feedback :D NrG.AhhBoxxah vs ROOT.CatZ
EDIT: Chatlog of the game courtesy of Huameng! + Show Spoiler [chatlog] +00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: diid
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: out
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: plz
00:09:10 - CatZ to ALL: out plz
00:19:46 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: dont fucking bm my teammates plz
00:19:50 - CatZ to ALL: ?
00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
00:19:56 - CatZ to ALL: i told your team mate
00:19:57 - CatZ to ALL: what i was doing
00:19:59 - CatZ to ALL: so it wouldnt be bm
00:20:01 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: kk
00:20:02 - CatZ to ALL: you think you're good
00:20:03 - CatZ to ALL: cause you play
00:20:04 - CatZ to ALL: terran
00:20:05 - CatZ to ALL: and
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: rofl
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: l2p
00:20:06 - CatZ to ALL: dare bm me
00:20:07 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: plz
00:20:09 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: hahaha
00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
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I definitely don't think that your name should play a role in how you're treated in a competition. NRG is no stranger to the starcraft scene and even though you guys don't play in too many events I don't think that's a reason to treat you differently.
If Starcraft is going to be a goddamn popularity contest, I don't want to play anymore. 
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Well, no, i disagree waht catz did was just fucking around, but what Ahhboxxah did i see how some could consider BM.
But DQing on those grounds is a clear favoritism in favor of the more famous team.
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It doesn't sound like CatZ was intentionally trying to be BM. CatZ likes to joke around a lot and will often joke about 6/7 pooling. He's a pretty nice guy, so I can't imagine it was in bad taste.
What the NrG guy said is 10000000x worse than what CatZ did.
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sounds like bias to me, both are arguable and shouldn't be bannable imho
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Make sure to watch the end of the replay before commenting because the conversation between ahhboxxah and catz holds more to it than what was listed.
I want to underline the fact that this is nothing against root. My team and i feel like we were treated unfairly and are just wanting the opinions of unbiased others.
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am i the only one who thinks that catz action was just as bad as the nrg guy's? o.O
not saying that either one is a big deal, to me ... neither should be a basis of a clan's termination in a league lol...
edit: IdrA should have lost his KesPA liscence by now 
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Are there rules outlined saying that BM can disqualify your team? If so, then they're just enforcing them, but if not it does seem pretty unfair.
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I think that was AhhBoxxah did was very uncalled for and BM, I don't find what CatZ did to be especially BM if BM at all. I think AhhBoxxah definitely crossed a line after taking serious offense to CatZ's comments the game before.
Edit) I still don't think NrG should have been disqualified for his action, it wasn't THAT BM
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I agree with Sfydjklm they shouldn't have been DQ and should've jut gone with a warning and play on. But the admin made a horrible decision and should be retracted from that.
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I myself have not had a great time in this league as well, don't stress it too muc hkurt
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+ Show Spoiler [chatlog] +00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: diid
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: out
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: plz
00:09:10 - CatZ to ALL: out plz
00:19:46 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: dont fucking bm my teammates plz
00:19:50 - CatZ to ALL: ?
00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
00:19:56 - CatZ to ALL: i told your team mate
00:19:57 - CatZ to ALL: what i was doing
00:19:59 - CatZ to ALL: so it wouldnt be bm
00:20:01 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: kk
00:20:02 - CatZ to ALL: you think you're good
00:20:03 - CatZ to ALL: cause you play
00:20:04 - CatZ to ALL: terran
00:20:05 - CatZ to ALL: and
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: rofl
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: l2p
00:20:06 - CatZ to ALL: dare bm me
00:20:07 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: plz
00:20:09 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: hahaha
00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
There is no way that only 1 of them gets banned for BM after that chatlog. I think catz was a lot more BM than the nrg guy but no way that little BM should get anyone in trouble.
Also there is nothing nice about taking your opponent's natural after 7pooling him -_-
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According to the admin of the SGL this was not NRG's first "Bm offense" which is why they were removed from the league. Multiple teams prior to the Root vs. NRG clanwar had registered complaints with the admins, and this was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
Root had no intention to get anyone disqualified from the SGL, and we received a warning, just as NRG had when the complaints were registered against them. I think its unfair to say favoritism played a role here, when the admins reacted the exact same way they did in the past to this offense.
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ah a BM Idiot, Stupid Newb, and fucking newb or something.
exact quote please.
I don't think a mind game like that is bm, perhaps the rules will change in the future but for now blame the league for allowing chat. Your player over reacted. He doesn't need to say a thing. I side with you on the excessive penalty, however not on the attitude.
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This league fucking sucks. Why would anyone be banned for any of those things?
You don't mention the league in your post as far as I can tell btw. Not sure why.
Edit: SGL I guess. What the hell SGL? It's just some talk... What is the point of a god damn clan war if there is no rivalry.
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On September 07 2010 12:31 huameng wrote:+ Show Spoiler [chatlog] +00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: diid
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: out
00:09:08 - CatZ to ALL: plz
00:09:10 - CatZ to ALL: out plz
00:19:46 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: dont fucking bm my teammates plz
00:19:50 - CatZ to ALL: ?
00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
00:19:56 - CatZ to ALL: i told your team mate
00:19:57 - CatZ to ALL: what i was doing
00:19:59 - CatZ to ALL: so it wouldnt be bm
00:20:01 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: kk
00:20:02 - CatZ to ALL: you think you're good
00:20:03 - CatZ to ALL: cause you play
00:20:04 - CatZ to ALL: terran
00:20:05 - CatZ to ALL: and
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: rofl
00:20:06 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: l2p
00:20:06 - CatZ to ALL: dare bm me
00:20:07 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: plz
00:20:09 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: hahaha
00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb There is no way that only 1 of them gets banned for BM after that chatlog. I think catz was a lot more BM than the nrg guy but no way that little BM should get anyone in trouble. Also there is nothing nice about taking your opponent's natural after 7pooling him -_-
rofl at catz saying he's the msot manner person in the world lol. If he was he wouldn't have said any of that
Also root got a warning while they got banned because they have had complaints in the past. No favoritism going on here...
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On September 07 2010 12:29 Cade wrote:
I think that was AhhBoxxah did was very uncalled for and BM, I don't find what CatZ did to be especially BM if BM at all. I think AhhBoxxah definitely crossed a line after taking serious offense to CatZ's comments the game before.
I disagree. If you were to see a teammate and friend get bullied you'd stand up for them, wouldn't you? AhhBoxxah definitely misread the situation (most likely because he's not familiar with CatZ, but I couldn't say for sure) but understandably so.
One way or the other, neither player nor team should be banned from this event, much less scrutinized the way they were. When people compete, some bm is bound to come out from time to time but it doesn't take a very big man to move on from it shortly after.
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Catz didn't really cuss your teammate out. Also if the game was close the hatchery would delay a counter attack and expansion.
Think of it like this.... a guy comes up to you at a bar and says "I'm going 7pool", its a neutral statement, slightly cocky if anything... but you wouldnt be fighting becausse of it.
Then a guy comes up to you and says "Don't fucking bm my team". The bartender of course kicks you out.
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On September 07 2010 12:33 prodiG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:29 Cade wrote:
I think that was AhhBoxxah did was very uncalled for and BM, I don't find what CatZ did to be especially BM if BM at all. I think AhhBoxxah definitely crossed a line after taking serious offense to CatZ's comments the game before. I disagree. If you were to see a teammate and friend get bullied you'd stand up for them, wouldn't you? AhhBoxxah definitely misread the situation (most likely because he's not familiar with CatZ, but I couldn't say for sure) but understandably so. One way or the other, neither player nor team should be banned from this event, much less scrutinized the way they were. When people compete, some bm is bound to come out from time to time but it doesn't take a very big man to move on from it shortly after.
The thing is, CatZ didn't bully him at all, he made a small statement that mentioned the strategy he was going to use. That's a tactic that is perfectly legit as far as I'm concerned, as long as talking is allowed by the tournament organizers.
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NRG had an issue with Inflow before if I'm correct. I think it was the same guy calling Masq a scrub. Either way, telling your opponent your strategy isn't really BM. I take it as more of a psychological thing. What Ahhboxxah did was BM. It was rude and disrespectful. If someone BMs you, be the bigger person and stay respectful. Especially if you are representing a team or clan. CatZ didn't handle the situation any better from watching the replay. But if CatZ got a warning and NRG got a ban (as it's apparently not their first offense) then that's reasonable, provided that ROOT doesn't BM later and not get banned.
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I said "im 7 pooling (fair warning)" exactly, because its one of my main opening builds on steppes of war and I don't like it when people call it cheese, as my follow up is i think good, or at least has good winning ratio against almost every protoss i've played in NA. Built a hatch outside of his base to lure him out, I was plenty ahead and could afford it, also it worked.
I don't ever try to be bm unless bm'd first, AhhBoxah got on my nerves as he talked like this after he already won the game, and I answered back (perhaps i shouldnt've).
From my understanding the admins decided to ban NrG because of previous behavior and not this situation alone. I told the admins i was more than happy to finish the clanwar as I don't like to take free wins, and again I think im a nice guy, unless provoked. I agree with NeverExpo that this is no reason to dq them from the league, and again I was (and still am) more than willing to finish the clanwar, however it was the admin's choice because this was not the first time this happened with NrG.
After this, NeverExpo msg'd me on Starcraft2 I explained to him that It wasn't my choice or my wish for them to be dq'd on the back of this incident. He continued to poke on the incident and was pretty insisting and bm over a situation I have no control over.
Later on he msg'd me to apologize about his previous behavior, I gladly accepted his apology and he proceeded to tell me he'd post about this incident on TL because he didn't think it was fair. and that's I guess my side of the story if it matters.
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On September 07 2010 12:39 CatZ.root wrote:
I said "im 7 pooling (fair warning)" exactly, because its one of my main opening builds on steppes of war and I don't like it when people call it cheese, as my follow up is i think good, or at least has good winning ratio against almost every protoss i've played in NA. Built a hatch outside of his base to lure him out, I was plenty ahead and could afford it, also it worked.
He's not lying here. Raelcun has told me many times how CatZ and everyone argue about it being a legit strat. CatZ really does feel it's not an all in.
I don't care about the drama I just wanted to say I could verify that that statement is not a lie or a stretching of the truth.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing....
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Yea what CatZ said is true, i did get very upset and took it out on him which i shudnt have, and i immediately appologized afterwards. The "BM" incident people from inflow are referring to is something that happened close to 2 months ago in a friendly CW between NrG and inflow. Boxxah did say something stupid during that clan war, and he lost, and i told him it was wrong and ofc he knew it was wrong. But considering an incident like that towards a league is absolutely ridiculous. Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events. SGL admins once again made a horrible decision in taking something from a CW that didn't even matter and holding it against us in their league..
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CatZ is known for being a funny/joking guy, as well as having a reputation of 7 pooling on Steppes vs toss(I am assuming that is what happened with the 7 pool). DQ for a single game of back and forth BM seems a bit unreasonable, but from what I heard, it also happened in the matches between NrG and team nG(would like to see a representative from NrG confirming/confirming this). If that is true, then a DQ could be reasonable if this has occurred previously and how severe the BM was.
After watching the replay, CatZ just responded with insults of his own after being attacked by the NrG player, which is understandable. And expanding to your opponents natural is fine... if your in the lead, securing the lead is a acceptable thing to do, Flash has done so in televised games. I understand how this can be considered as BM by Boxxah as it is a bit of a slap in the face such as nuking in SC1, pylon/cannon heart(bit more BM), but they are all acceptable things to do.
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Hi, Bamboo here.
There is slightly more to the story (after talking to the admin along with NeverExpo on MSN after the news was broken to me). GnR (admin) claims that NrG has a BM reputation already due to 2 events that happened in the past.
One event was against team nG, I believe a week ago, when one of our members called an opposing team member "cheesy". This was said in spectator chat only, none of the players were disturbed and there was no BM from either side in a public setting. At all. But that seems to be one of the two situations that cast NrG as a BM team.
The other event was against team inflow several weeks ago in which one of our players did say "gg scrub" after being cheesed and lost. The kicker here is that it had nothing to do with SGL, and was just a friendly CW.
And I'll just leave that with a small excerpt from our MSN conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +SGL]GnR says:
yes i give you one chacne
its qualifiers
there are no second chances
kurt says:
so what have we done wrong before this
do u have any records of it?
or do u have 2 people
coming to you
SGL]GnR says:
i dont need records
kurt says:
and making shit up
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
kurt says:
because they lost clan wars?
u know how pissed some ppl get when they lose
SGL]GnR says:
i apologize
but the decision is final
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On September 07 2010 12:45 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Yea what CatZ said is true, i did get very upset and took it out on him which i shudnt have, and i immediately appologized afterwards. The "BM" incident people from inflow are referring to is something that happened close to 2 months ago in a friendly CW between NrG and inflow. Boxxah did say something stupid during that clan war, and he lost, and i told him it was wrong and ofc he knew it was wrong. But considering an incident like that towards a league is absolutely ridiculous. Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events. SGL admins once again made a horrible decision in taking something from a CW that didn't even matter and holding it against us in their league..
Oh that's just what I remembered. I had no idea if it was related to SGL or not as I wasn't there at the time and I doubt anyone on Inflow has brought it up with SGL. We just brought it up like a week ago in Vent when talking about SGL teams so I thought it might have been something recent. My bad lol.
Edit - If this incident IS part of the reasoning the SGL admins used, that's lame. Their BM from 2 months ago in something not associated with SGL is no reason for them to be DQ'ed.
Nor is calling something cheesy in chat.
People need thicker skins and learn to just ignore BM lol.
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Canada291 Posts
drama/bm/rivalry makes the game more entertaining, no one should be disqualified from the league.. quite stupid imo >_<
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On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing....
It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support.
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On September 07 2010 12:39 CatZ.root wrote:
I said "im 7 pooling (fair warning)" exactly, because its one of my main opening builds on steppes of war and I don't like it when people call it cheese, as my follow up is i think good, or at least has good winning ratio against almost every protoss i've played in NA. Built a hatch outside of his base to lure him out, I was plenty ahead and could afford it, also it worked.
I don't ever try to be bm unless bm'd first, AhhBoxah got on my nerves as he talked like this after he already won the game, and I answered back (perhaps i shouldnt've).
From my understanding the admins decided to ban NrG because of previous behavior and not this situation alone. I told the admins i was more than happy to finish the clanwar as I don't like to take free wins, and again I think im a nice guy, unless provoked. I agree with NeverExpo that this is no reason to dq them from the league, and again I was (and still am) more than willing to finish the clanwar, however it was the admin's choice because this was not the first time this happened with NrG.
After this, NeverExpo msg'd me on Starcraft2 I explained to him that It wasn't my choice or my wish for them to be dq'd on the back of this incident. He continued to poke on the incident and was pretty insisting and bm over a situation I have no control over.
Later on he msg'd me to apologize about his previous behavior, I gladly accepted his apology and he proceeded to tell me he'd post about this incident on TL because he didn't think it was fair. and that's I guess my side of the story if it matters.
Hi, and just for the record, I had no issues with the game we played; I am an extremely emotional player and was raging quite hard, but none of which was heard by anyone outside of my room (I didn't even mention anything to my teammates about the game afterwards).
A lot of my players also wanted to finish the CW as well =[
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support.
No I think the fact you guys were disqualified over something like this is silly. The administration for this tournament should step up and realise how fucking stupid this is.
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On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support.
Looks pretty clear cut from here, no offense. You both BM'd each other (CatZ being the "less" I'd say, considering what he did initially wasn't even bm). You both got warnings, but in your case this was a third strike.
How can you say being BM in another competition has no relevance? Third time your clan has been BM and you want people to feel sorry for you? No
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:53 Mato wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support. Looks pretty clear cut from here, no offense. You both BM'd each other (CatZ being the "less" I'd say, considering what he did initially wasn't even bm). You both got warnings, but in your case this was a third strike. How can you say being BM in another competition has no relevance? Third time your clan has been BM and you want people to feel sorry for you? No
You call that BM? For crying out loud man, just let people play the game and stop worrying about petty shit like this.
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On September 07 2010 12:53 Mato wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:49 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing.... It's not the drama within the Clan War, its the decision-making that 1 person made by himself without consulting any of his admin team about it. He held something against us that happened outside of his league and 2 months ago apperently, on top of this stuff against root. Maybe you think it's silly because you aren't in our position. When there aren't many ways to prove yourself in such a new game, and you work hard to commit yourself and your team to a league, only to be kicked out for some ridiculous event that happened between 2 players, you get kind of upset. I take this game and my team very seriously, and I thought I could rely on the community of TL for support. Looks pretty clear cut from here, no offense. You both BM'd each other (CatZ being the "less" I'd say, considering what he did initially wasn't even bm). You both got warnings, but in your case this was a third strike. How can you say being BM in another competition has no relevance? Third time your clan has been BM and you want people to feel sorry for you? No
"friendly clan war" and "another competition" are different things i think...
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based off the info purely in the op, utterly, utterly retarded decision -_-;;
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On September 07 2010 12:48 Valentine wrote:
]SGL]GnR says:
yes i give you one chacne
its qualifiers
there are no second chances
kurt says:
so what have we done wrong before this
do u have any records of it?
or do u have 2 people
coming to you
SGL]GnR says:
i dont need records
kurt says:
and making shit up
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
kurt says:
because they lost clan wars?
u know how pissed some ppl get when they lose
SGL]GnR says:
i apologize
but the decision is final
Wow, not a good attitude for a tournament organizer. Yes dude you do need records. Aren't you the league with like 94 pages of rules?
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I think the decision is pretty harsh... and catz 7 pooling on steppes.. i lost from it too :/
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@Plexa - I don't, but what I think is irrelevant. The fact that the two of them degenerated into a decent amount of lines of shittalk is enough for the league to decide... and they did.
Not saying I agree with the bans, just that organisations have rules...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:56 stalife wrote:
I think the decision is pretty harsh... and catz 7 pooling on steppes.. i lost from it too :/
Yea man 7pool is legit on that map. Stupid short rush distance >.<
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@Plexa sorry to misinterpret your response, I understand now and yea i totally agree.
@Mato you can't possibly think that what you're saying makes sense. I know a player is his own ambassador, and he must try to represent himself as professionally as possible, but tings happen, things get said in the heat of competition. How would you feel to get banned or kicked out of something, because someone has a screenshot of u BMing some1 on ladder for 6pooling you?
"Sorry you can't play TSL3 because we have records indicating you called some one a scrub 2 months ago"
Yea, really logical.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:57 Mato wrote:
@Plexa - I don't, but what I think is irrelevant. The fact that the two of them degenerated into a decent amount of lines of shittalk is enough for the league to decide... and they did.
Not saying I agree with the bans, just that organisations have rules... That doesn't make the decision any less retarded. When this is a friendly clan war and people are playing in it for fun, they certainly are doing their damndest to piss off the players.
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On September 07 2010 12:49 IefNaij wrote:
drama/bm/rivalry makes the game more entertaining, no one should be disqualified from the league.. quite stupid imo >_<
yeah man, look at idra
hate it or love it the guy has stolen a lot of my time with his artosis interviews and TL posts t.t
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I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
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"But things happen"
Maybe you (I'm guessing are the leader) recruit so things "don't happen"?.
Manner is fairly important to me, maybe because I've been involved with CS and then WoW arena communities so long where there is basically no manner... just a competition to see who can be the most abusive. I enjoy playing SC2 and win/lose enjoying myself without shittalk.
Just say again for the record, don't agree with the ban. But you can't expect sympathy.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 Mato wrote:
"But things happen"
Maybe you (I'm guessing are the leader) recruit so things "don't happen"?.
Manner is fairly important to me, maybe because I've been involved with CS and then WoW arena communities so long where there is basically no manner... just a competition to see who can be the most abusive. I enjoy playing SC2 and win/lose enjoying myself without shittalk.
Just say again for the record, don't agree with the ban. But you can't expect sympathy.
So would you think its fair for some one to take your shit talking in CS into consideration when they are contemplating letting you play an event in SC2? No one is perfect, saying I should recruit so that things "don't happen" is stupid. People get mad, even professional athletes and gamers. He lost his cool once, is it going to haunt him forever? And this is just talking, what if he ACTUALLY broke a rule?
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On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now.
Let's keep in mind this isn't about CatZ or his builds or his "mindgames" There would be a huge argument as to whether or not lyrical mindgames should or should not be allowed in the competitive sc2 game, but this is not the place for that.
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i disagree with the ban. Where in the rules does it say "if you bm we will disqualify you".
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What the hell is SGL? I read through the whole thread, maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything explaining what it is. I did a bit of searching and all I find is the GSL, which is obviously unrelated.
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This seems way over the top, doesn't seem like they have any other proof of BM (I don't even consider this BM, it is BM because he said fucking?, people curse). Sorry for your team NrG, that was a terrible decision, I hope after seeing this thread he will let you continue the league.
What the hell is SGL? I read through the whole thread, maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything explaining what it is. I did a bit of searching and all I find is the GSL, which is obviously unrelated.
http://sgleague.forumotion.com/forum.htm
Its a sc2 team league type deal
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This decision is really silly, I was in NrG vent channel when it all went down (the decision). It was so sudden, there was no discussion (at least from what I was hearing), just "you guys are out of the league". I basically agree with what Plexa/JF are saying because to be DQ'd from something as SILLY as this is just baffling. Let players BM each other a little, let there be some rivalry, let there be a bit of drama. At the end of the day, it's just a game and we're all trying to have some fun.
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Unless there are specific rules about players talking via the in-game chat (i know some leagues have this), I don't really see any reason for CatZ to suffer from this. I don't really see him stating that he's 7pooling being BM.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
Something very weird must be going on in your head if you think that talking is an "unfair" advantage.
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SGL is a no-name league. Let us forget about it and watch the GSL Open.
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On September 07 2010 13:15 Mercatosis wrote:
Unless there are specific rules about players talking via the in-game chat (i know some leagues have this), I don't really see any reason for CatZ to suffer from this. I don't really see him stating that he's 7pooling being BM.
This is your first post, and it was a bad one. I don't want CatZ to suffer from this, this wasn't even the issue. Did you read the chatlogs in the game between he and ahhboxxah? Or did you watch the replay? Did you even read my hole OP?
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I can't think of a single professional sport where this kind of trashtalk would get you banned from an entire league. Warnings and fines - happens all the time, even being DQ'd from a match or a player recieving a 1 match ban happens now and then, but an entire team being removed from a whole competition? I think this is completely unreasonable, especially considering there wasn't even racism or homophobia involved (the only things I would even consider banning someone for BM over)
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00:20:13 - CatZ to ALL: im most manner person in the world
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: LOL
00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
I think this is really where the problem should have been if you are looking at CatZ's actions.
And I feel that this is just as bad as what got nrg the ban... so... I'm not sure I understand where the decision came from at all...
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United States10774 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now.
What? Is this a joke? Saying shit during the game to your opponent isn't mindgame. It's a bad taste. It should just not be allowed - especially in a clan war or tournament setting.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:24 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now. What? Is this a joke? Saying shit during the game to your opponent isn't mindgame. It's a bad taste. It should just not be allowed - especially in a clan war or tournament setting.
Whatever, it's not the issue. If you're going to disallow it fine, but make sure it's well known in advance etc. The rules don't stipulate that you need to be quiet all game so what Catz did is fine.
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kind of embarrassing to get angry over someone announcing a 7pool
there needs to be a BM handbook or something because if drawing a pylon heart is bad mannered you girls need to grow some thicker skin
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Update: Team Energy has been removed from the qualifiers due to bad manners. I've received multiple complaints from teams about how they run their clan wars and in the qualifiers it's not worth keeping around a team with this sort of attitude. They will be banned from SGL Season 1, 2 and 3 and they will not participate in SGL Season 1.
ballsssssssss
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if 7 pool into proxy hatch is a strat that catz normally does, and is not just used to BM go.go style, then catz definitely was not at all BM until after Ahhboxxah told him not to BM. After that he was too bm imo even tho he could have just said i wasnt bming, thats just my strat, then there would be no problem!
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Wow like jianfei said. In sports many fighters/players do a lot of prefight/pregame hype. And even after the fact there is cocky ness and edging on opposition. It creates a lot of entertainment... Its stupid. When you watch UFC for example, tito ortiz was super famous from his antics, he would call people on, talk trash, than do the same after. Dont know i just think its stupid.
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Catz building hatch on bamboo's nat =no BM.
Ahhboxxah = bm
Catz's reply = really bad bm
Officials banning NRG and not Root = favoritisim and really really bad BM.
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If this is in the context of one clan having multiple warnings, then it makes sense. If rules are in place in a league, you need to enforce the rules, otherwise people will take advantage of them. It's the same concept that at TL, there's a general standard that we expect others to treat others with respect.
The 3 season ban seems a bit harsh, I think for a first non-warning offense, it should be a disqualification. Jumping to a ban is rather extreme...
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*Taken from the site as of reading this*
Team NrG's SGL Penalty Points: 0.0
NrG Team Info on SGL Site
Assuming there were any prior issues there ("should") would be points here. At the very least you'd think the admin team would deduct penalty point(s) and make a statement. An outright removal of a team over something so incredibly petty is absolutely horrible administrating and definitely does not bode well for the future of this league within the community.
Also, personally, none of these players were "bm." Trash talking is part of the game and has been for the past 10years of SC/War3 and countless years of gaming before that. If you don't like it (as a league/admin) then just prohibit speaking to your opponent beyond "gg/gl/hf." Pretty simple.
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On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool.
Why can't you say what build you are going, true or not? The opponent could have easily replied, "I'm doing a 2 gate rush." It's not like CatZ gains an unfair advantage here.
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This isn't drama at all. Kind of immature posting something like this to create even more drama. Like in school when you tell your teacher that someone is teasing your friend. Just ignore and move on.
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Both players participated in some bm but it's nothing that a whole team should be banned for.... I mean if they want to discourage bm then DQ' both Catz and Boxxah for the first week of SGL or something.
Banning team NrG completely? Completely ridiculous. Teams with hackers in them get a lesser punishment... (using sc1 as a precedent)
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Were gaming here folks, not curing cancer. These kind of incidents are super childish. enjoy the game, and move on
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00:20:11 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: u dont know
00:20:13 - AhhBoxxah to ALL: who youre talking to
Who was he talking to!?
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somebody bout got body slammed
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Any league admin who supports a decision of his with "because it's my league" just sucks. A lot.
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I don't think you should be allowed to really talk in game at all, it seems sort of bm. However, what catZ did seems less BM than the verbal attack, because catZ didn't do anything bad (proxy hatch after a game is over doesn't really mean much).
*edit* the reply from catz is bm
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On September 07 2010 13:55 ploy wrote:
Any league admin who supports a decision of his with "because it's my league" just sucks. A lot.
SGL]GnR says:
yes i give you one chacne
its qualifiers
there are no second chances
SGL]GnR says:
i dont need records
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
It's kinda like the whole "Because i'm your mom and i say so" bit. Quite hilarious how he backs himself up
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catz is cool fuck the other guy
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this is what happens when 20 year olds run tournaments.
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United States10774 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:26 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:24 OneOther wrote:On September 07 2010 13:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On September 07 2010 13:04 tyCe wrote:
I think any chat that isn't gg or pp shouldn't be allowed in tournament matches. Telling your opponent that you're going one build or another really screws with your opponent's mind and gives yourself an unfair advantage. On the other hand, to explicitly swear at your opponent is almost as bad - it is rude, but at least it does not give you an unfair advantage in the game.
I think CatZ should have been DQ'd immediately once he said he's going 7pool. How is it unfair? It's not like your not allowed to go 7 pool unless you first announce it? Mind games are a big part of SCII and this is just another one. If you have watched a CatZ game in the last 2 weeks you would KNOW he's 7 pooling on Steppes even if he didn't say it. Bad scouting of opponents, which imo is one of the biggest problems plaguing players right now. What? Is this a joke? Saying shit during the game to your opponent isn't mindgame. It's a bad taste. It should just not be allowed - especially in a clan war or tournament setting. Whatever, it's not the issue. If you're going to disallow it fine, but make sure it's well known in advance etc. The rules don't stipulate that you need to be quiet all game so what Catz did is fine.
Yeah I know it's not the issue but I was just refuting talking during game like that is a legitimate part of "SC2 mindgame." He shouldn't receive some harsh punishment or something for it, but it's not exactly "fine." It's not fine. Forget the rules, it's common sense and common courtesy.
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the real question is what does KFC of root gaming think of all this.
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Sure, even if it's not really BM to say that he's gonna 7 pool, it is without doubt that Catz responses ahhboxxah was BM. The mentions of previous reports/BM from nrg - are there links?
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On September 07 2010 14:23 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Sure, even if it's not really BM to say that he's gonna 7 pool, it is without doubt that Catz responses ahhboxxah was BM. The mentions of previous reports/BM from nrg - are there links?
As I said before there are no links. It was 2 upset clan leaders that went to GnR for some reason, 1 was for a cw 2 months ago that wasnt related to the league at all, and the other was from an admin who was saying i was being bm for calling his player cheesy 
kurt says:
so what have we done wrong before this
do u have any records of it?
or do u have 2 people
coming to you
SGL]GnR says:
i dont need records
kurt says:
and making shit up
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
Direct quotes from msn (Kurt being me, GnR is the SGL admin obv)
There is absolutely NO proof as to how serious our "first offenses" were. And on top of that there wasn't even proof that they happened, just some people mad about CWs. I guess all it takes these days is a couple people to not like you ! But I wanna thank everyone who posted in here, I feel a lot better about what you guys think, and i think the majority of you have a logical response to our problem. Maybe both players did wrong, but the decision was harsh, hasty and stupid. ^_^ Hope it doesn't happen again, and if we could get it overturned that would be pretty sick O_O
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Saying that you are going 7 pool and building a hatch is now considered bm? I don't know man, sounds a bit ridiculous but every side got their own version of the story I guess.
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Haven't heard both sides of the story, nor do I really care to.
But when we had a clan war vs NrG a couple weeks ago, they were quite BM. I was actually surprised, because I recalled your team from Broodwar/ICCup. But from my limited experiences with NrG in SC2, it's been nothing but negative.
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CatZ was BM and wrong, AhhBoxxah did nothing wrong.
Typing anything in chat has been illegal in Broodwar pro-scene for some time now, for good reason. Typing anything like "I'm going to 7 pool." during any kind of official match or clan war is flat out disrespectful.
"Don't fucking bm my teammates plz." is not bm in any way shape or form(note that it was after the game ended). It isn't even an insult. That is like saying "Don't fucking slam my car door when you get out of it." If you actually read, he never even calls CatZ any names. The worst thing he says is "l2p", while CatZ calls him:
- 00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
- 00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
- 00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
How anyone could side with CatZ/Root on this is beyond me. Unban them from whatever SGL is.
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Nothing Catz said originally sounds remotely close to BM in the OP. "I'm going to 7 pool" is BM really? news to me. Looks like NRG grossly overreacted and started the drama.
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On September 07 2010 14:34 tbrown47 wrote:
CatZ was BM and wrong, AhhBoxxah did nothing wrong.
Typing anything in chat has been illegal in Broodwar pro-scene for some time now, for good reason. Typing anything like "I'm going to 7 pool." during any kind of official match or clan war is flat out disrespectful.
"Don't fucking bm my teammates plz." is not bm in any way shape or form. It isn't even an insult. That is like saying "Don't fucking slam my car door when you get out of it." If you actually read, he never even calls CatZ any names. The worst thing he says is "l2p", while CatZ calls him:
- 00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
- 00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
- 00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
How anyone could side with CatZ/Root on this is beyond me. Unban them from whatever SGL is.
Yea thanks, pretty much what i was thinking exactly. The fact is, is that SGL is really small and just starting out. They probly love the fact that Root is in their league right now. They can kind of use root as a tool to attract more skilled teams etc. If they kicked root they would lose a top team in their league, prestige-wise. So they can't risk it, so the admin took the easy road, which was ridiculous, and banned us. Both teams worked their differences out no problem at all after the game. Boxxah even said to me "tell CatZ im sorry, i love him". The only person that reacted harshly, too fast, and unfair was the admin.
This is what happens when some one with no experience at all tries to start a league on his own without consulting anyone. He has no SC/BW experience whatsoever, and i guess it was wrong to trust our precious time in his hands >.<
Nothing Catz said originally sounds remotely close to BM in the OP. "I'm going to 7 pool" is BM really? news to me. Looks like NRG grossly overreacted and started the drama.
Wasn't saying that was really BM, was saying the BM CatZ showed after Boxxah's statement was just as bad, if not worse that boxxahs statements. Read the whole post please...
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On September 07 2010 14:40 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 14:34 tbrown47 wrote:
CatZ was BM and wrong, AhhBoxxah did nothing wrong.
Typing anything in chat has been illegal in Broodwar pro-scene for some time now, for good reason. Typing anything like "I'm going to 7 pool." during any kind of official match or clan war is flat out disrespectful.
"Don't fucking bm my teammates plz." is not bm in any way shape or form. It isn't even an insult. That is like saying "Don't fucking slam my car door when you get out of it." If you actually read, he never even calls CatZ any names. The worst thing he says is "l2p", while CatZ calls him:
- 00:19:53 - CatZ to ALL: bm idiot
- 00:20:10 - CatZ to ALL: stupid newb
- 00:20:18 - CatZ to ALL: im talking to a piece of shit newb
How anyone could side with CatZ/Root on this is beyond me. Unban them from whatever SGL is. Yea thanks, pretty much what i was thinking exactly. The fact is, is that SGL is really small and just starting out. They probly love the fact that Root is in their league right now. They can kind of use root as a tool to attract more skilled teams etc. If they kicked root they would lose a top team in their league, prestige-wise. So they can't risk it, so the admin took the easy road, which was ridiculous, and banned us. Both teams worked their differences out no problem at all after the game. Boxxah even said to me "tell CatZ im sorry, i love him". The only person that reacted harshly, too fast, and unfair was the admin. This is what happens when some one with no experience at all tries to start a league on his own without consulting anyone. He has no SC/BW experience whatsoever, and i guess it was wrong to trust our precious time in his hands >.< Show nested quote +Nothing Catz said originally sounds remotely close to BM in the OP. "I'm going to 7 pool" is BM really? news to me. Looks like NRG grossly overreacted and started the drama. Wasn't saying that was really BM, was saying the BM CatZ showed after Boxxah's statement was just as bad, if not worse that boxxahs statements. Read the whole post please... I did read the whole post, and I'm saying Ahhboxxah started it when he put Catz on the defensive with his retarded accusation of BM.
... and now you're telling me to read the whole post. You guys lack tact.
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"started it?" You sound like the admin now. How old are we? Doesn't matter if you are provoked or not you should conduct yourself properly or have the same consequences of some one who instigates. Not saying I think boxxah instigated much here, but if that IS the case then it doesn't give CatZ an excuse to go apeshit
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On September 07 2010 14:28 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 14:23 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Sure, even if it's not really BM to say that he's gonna 7 pool, it is without doubt that Catz responses ahhboxxah was BM. The mentions of previous reports/BM from nrg - are there links? As I said before there are no links. It was 2 upset clan leaders that went to GnR for some reason, 1 was for a cw 2 months ago that wasnt related to the league at all, and the other was from an admin who was saying i was being bm for calling his player cheesy kurt says: so what have we done wrong before this do u have any records of it? or do u have 2 people coming to you SGL]GnR says: i dont need records kurt says: and making shit up SGL]GnR says: its my league and what i say goes Direct quotes from msn (Kurt being me, GnR is the SGL admin obv) There is absolutely NO proof as to how serious our "first offenses" were. And on top of that there wasn't even proof that they happened, just some people mad about CWs. I guess all it takes these days is a couple people to not like you ! But I wanna thank everyone who posted in here, I feel a lot better about what you guys think, and i think the majority of you have a logical response to our problem. Maybe both players did wrong, but the decision was harsh, hasty and stupid. ^_^ Hope it doesn't happen again, and if we could get it overturned that would be pretty sick O_O
For the record, I don't believe anyone in Inflow has directly gone to the SGL admins as that incident has nothing to do with SGL. I was mistaken, and thought it did, which is why i brought it up in the thread in the first place, but to my knowledge no one in Inflow really talks to SGL admins except reporting wins and what not (although I'm just a member, so I could be wrong, but I doubt i am). I hope you guys didn't get kicked for something that didn't happen in SGL, that's dumb as hell if that is their reasoning for kicking you guys.
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Mildly hilarious, storm in a teacup scenario.
No clue why anyone would be jettisoned from a tourney over this weak shit.
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On September 07 2010 14:47 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:"started it?" You sound like the admin now. How old are we? Doesn't matter if you are provoked or not you should conduct yourself properly or have the same consequences of some one who instigates. Not saying I think boxxah instigated much here, but if that IS the case then it doesn't give CatZ an excuse to go apeshit
boxxah didn't know who he was talking to obviously
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On September 07 2010 14:47 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:"started it?" You sound like the admin now. How old are we? Doesn't matter if you are provoked or not you should conduct yourself properly or have the same consequences of some one who instigates. Not saying I think boxxah instigated much here, but if that IS the case then it doesn't give CatZ an excuse to go apeshit AhhhBoxah was the one with the terrible overreaction. I am honestly baffled how he thought Catz BM'd his teammates. It just seems like he wanted to cook up some drama, and now here you are trying to create more drama -_-
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On September 07 2010 14:51 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 14:47 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:"started it?" You sound like the admin now. How old are we? Doesn't matter if you are provoked or not you should conduct yourself properly or have the same consequences of some one who instigates. Not saying I think boxxah instigated much here, but if that IS the case then it doesn't give CatZ an excuse to go apeshit AhhhBoxah was the one with the terrible overreaction. I am honestly baffled how he thought Catz BM'd his teammates. It just seems like he wanted to cook up some drama, and now here you are trying to create more drama -_-
I'm not quite sure why u are trying to hard to validate your point. Regardless of whether or not boxxah overreacted, CatZ matched him word for word I didn't really say Boxxah was being an angel..
@Alou some1 must have because the admin didn't just pull something out of his ass (or did he ) Because he said when he mentioned NrG to inflow some1 said that we were bm. And that was enough to hold against us :D I believe your sincerity in regards to the matter though, so thanks for that~
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On September 07 2010 14:57 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 14:51 Tsagacity wrote:On September 07 2010 14:47 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:"started it?" You sound like the admin now. How old are we? Doesn't matter if you are provoked or not you should conduct yourself properly or have the same consequences of some one who instigates. Not saying I think boxxah instigated much here, but if that IS the case then it doesn't give CatZ an excuse to go apeshit AhhhBoxah was the one with the terrible overreaction. I am honestly baffled how he thought Catz BM'd his teammates. It just seems like he wanted to cook up some drama, and now here you are trying to create more drama -_- I'm not quite sure why u are trying to hard to validate your point. Regardless of whether or not boxxah overreacted, CatZ matched him word for word I didn't really say Boxxah was being an angel.. ...
so are you saying instigated bm is just as bad as random bm and root should be banned as well?
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I would consider both being not bm. This is imho only a little bit joking.
First CatZ joking about 7Pool and then - I think everybody did something like this (maybe not in this kind of fashion) - your player "protecting" his clanmate. Nothing wrong about anything here. The "shit newbie" is maybe a bit off, but I would not even consider banning anyone of you, if i was an admin.
So just chill, everyone. Dont take everything to serious. It's like all those europeans, who complained about IdrA's "Eurotrash"  .
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Why make a thread on TL about Drama.... honestly ?
Please download "The OC" or "One Tree Hill" for some teenage drama.
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LOL don't be so offended how many times do i have to say it. This wasn't an attack on root at all. It was an eye opener about the SGL and how they ran things. My team and I are upset about how we got DQ'd for something so stupid.
Thanks for the recommendations though, i'll make sure to check those out (act your age please)
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Does Catz really think he's the most manner person around lol, maybe its because when he bm's he thinks he's joking but a lot of people just don't find him funny. He talks shit and 7 pools, thats what he does, I suppose thats just how he prefers presenting himself.
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The decision was too harsh, but you should've been well aware of the rules in place of the league. I would NOT call CatZ saying that he's 7 pooling BM at all, but I would consider what Boxxah said to be BM. He already won the game, so it's just a condescending, jerk thing to say at the end of the game. CatZ probably did not get punished because it seems that Boxxah committed the offense first. In my opinion, the clan war should've been allowed to be finished, but you have to respect and abide by the rules of the league.
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On September 07 2010 14:47 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:"started it?" You sound like the admin now. How old are we? Doesn't matter if you are provoked or not you should conduct yourself properly or have the same consequences of some one who instigates. Not saying I think boxxah instigated much here, but if that IS the case then it doesn't give CatZ an excuse to go apeshit
What matters is your self-victimization, blame-gaming and refusal to take responsibility. Based on your disruptive behaviour the league is better off without you.
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Some of these replies are ridiculous.
Kids need to learn to read tbh..
That said the decision's obviously stupid. Like most people have said, every team should be presented equal treatment, the bm itself really doesn't matter; if both parties break a rule, both parties should be punished.
Favouritism is ridiculous, especially when shown in tournaments. Banning an entire team from a tournament for something like BMing without warning is retarded too. Terrible decision.
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favoritism?
Dudes started a "fight", someone fought back, the instigator got banned and defender didn't.
Now they're just trying to get revenge by ousting the league and getting root banned too, that's called being a baby.
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I think everyone is being a little too sensitive. Either it was all BM, or it wasn't BM at all. In my eyes it wasn't, in some of your eyes it all was. My point is this: Boxxah did NOT cross a line that wasn't cross by CatZ, and vice versa. The admin picked and chose what was bm, when in fact it was all the same shit. Saying "Dont fuckin bm my teammates plz" is about as bm as saying "Dont fuckin bm me plz". It's telling some1, with a little bad word in there, to not bm. If CatZ was bming or not, it doesnt matter, its just saying not to. Nothing was even wrong here, no one cried after losing, no one cried after hurt feelings.
Its the fact that the admins cut out pieces of the situation, and addressed them, and not the situation as a whole. We weren't mad at root and they weren't mad at us, it was when the admins declared our dismissal that i kinda got irate
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On September 07 2010 15:29 ekaj wrote:
favoritism?
Dudes started a "fight", someone fought back, the instigator got banned and defender didn't.
Now they're just trying to get revenge by ousting the league and getting root banned too, that's called being a baby.
Are you stupid? I would hate to see root get banned. Read like every post I have done in this trhead, and I'll tell you thats not my goal. Yes it's my goal to ridicule this league and its admin, not root, root did nothing wrong in my eyes, and neither did we.
Don't put words in my mouth, and don't act like you know my motives. They were clearly laid out in front of you, and you did a horrible job interpreting them
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On September 07 2010 15:29 ekaj wrote:
favoritism?
Dudes started a "fight", someone fought back, the instigator got banned and defender didn't.
Now they're just trying to get revenge by ousting the league and getting root banned too, that's called being a baby.
By that logic, Catz saying he's going to 7 pool and making a hatch in the opponent's natural could be considered "starting a fight". But shit doesn't go down like that. For example, if someone shoots you IRL (totally) and you shoot him back, you're both going to be facing problems with the law.
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The way I see it Catz shouldn't have opened his mouth in the first place. Telling the other person your build = taunting = bm. NrG player's only mistake was to swear.
Either way a ban was way too harsh. What a joke of a league.
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On September 07 2010 15:33 Katkishka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 15:29 ekaj wrote:
favoritism?
Dudes started a "fight", someone fought back, the instigator got banned and defender didn't.
Now they're just trying to get revenge by ousting the league and getting root banned too, that's called being a baby. By that logic, Catz saying he's going to 7 pool and making a hatch in the opponent's natural could be considered "starting a fight". But shit doesn't go down like that. For example, if someone shoots you IRL (totally) and you shoot him back, you're both going to be facing problems with the law.
I guess if building pylon hearts is BM then you can interpret it that way, no one else would. In fact according to neverexpo, no one did, except boxxah which is why he told someone to not fuck with his teammates. After he won which makes it a little funnier. Then catz took a dump on his chest.
Your comment about the rl analogy, that doesn't really deter my comment at all. Are you saying the defender in this crazy awesome gun fight DESERVES the punishment he would probably be getting?
I guess you could just say rules are rules but fortunately this is the internet and people can do the right thing once in a blue moon. While I believe banning someone for being bad mannered is retarded in the first place just like most other people, banning the player simply responding to a little bm seems rather dumb. Just like punishing someone that defended them self after being shot (this analogy seems way too severe for what we're talking about ).
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In SC1 I really do believe if someone were to take CatZ actions, they'd be perceived as BM 100% - but not given a penalty. ICCupCL, WGTCL, or BWCL would not even touch an issue with that. They also wouldn't touch an issue with what AhhBoxxah did.
I really think CatZ should have dealed with what he provoked. What does he honestly expect?
What would he have done if someone did that to him? I can sure as hell make a really good guess.
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Who cares, retarded to ban players for a little trash talking. More drama to the people!
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Regardless of any of these actions and who should get what, the conversation with the admins of the league on MSN shows how sketchy its management administration is.
On September 07 2010 15:22 thesauceishot wrote:
The decision was too harsh, but you should've been well aware of the rules in place of the league. I would NOT call CatZ saying that he's 7 pooling BM at all, but I would consider what Boxxah said to be BM. He already won the game, so it's just a condescending, jerk thing to say at the end of the game. CatZ probably did not get punished because it seems that Boxxah committed the offense first. In my opinion, the clan war should've been allowed to be finished, but you have to respect and abide by the rules of the league.
"Aware of the rules" : read the MSN convo. What "rules"? If these rules affected NrG than they should have affected root, and as that exchange proved, there's hardly substance rule-keeping or objectivity in managing those violations.
"He already won the game, so it's just a condescending jerk thing to say" --- same applies to Catz making a hatch in his opponent's natural.
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I am the main point of contact between Inflow Gaming and the SGL and I just want to make clear that never did I go to GnR and say "Hey, check out what these guys did in the past, you should ban them from your league." The incident between Inflow and NrG should not, and I believe did not, have anything to do with the actions taken by the SGL admin(s). I would ask to refrain from any further discussion about that incident, as I cannot see any good that could come from talking about an unrelated matter.
Thank you.
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How is saying "dont fucking bm my team mates" bm? Because of the curse word? Would saying "Dont bm my team mates" be bm? Im pretty sure most of us arent 5 year olds they have a profanity filter on the game for a reason so I dont see the problem or why anyone was even banned.
The way I see it the guy was expressing an issue he had with how the game was handled earlier. I dont see how light smack talk if you can even call it that should result in stopping the whole clan match and banning one team,pretty weak.
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these nrg pu55ys need to stop crying.. u got owned by 7 pool and got mad.. why u mad? u mad? u need to stop crying for real.. he didnt do nothing but say imma 7 pool... if u think that is bm then u are a very sensitive little girl
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both sides were wrong. it's unfortunate that nRG had to be DQ'd but I wouldn't say that the admins were biased.
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link the 7 pool game lol!!!! i wanna see that!! so i can ROFL!!!! why only show one replay show the replay where catz "supposidly BM by 7 pooling lol"
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On September 07 2010 17:40 Chibbychan wrote:
these nrg pu55ys need to stop crying.. u got owned by 7 pool and got mad.. why u mad? u mad? u need to stop crying for real.. he didnt do nothing but say imma 7 pool... if u think that is bm then u are a very sensitive little girl
You missed the entire point of this thread troll.
No one is really debating on the players being bm or not bm, no one gives a shit about that. The issue is with the SGL admin banning a well established, old bw/sc2 team for (virtually) no reason.
At the very most both players should have been DQ'd from the next CW (even that's extreme) and "maybe" a penalty point given.
Granted this is based upon our belief that NrG has no previous violations which we can take for granted since, on the SGL website itself as of this posting, NrG had no admin notes and no penalty points against them.
All in all it's definite bullshit and I'm really hoping to see an official declaration from SGL in regards to this terrible decision with something more solid than "We've had numerous complaints in the past."
Uh... Ok.
When you consider the "past" of SGL is barely two weeks ago and one clan war prior to the one in question. Riiiight.
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On September 07 2010 12:29 nath wrote:am i the only one who thinks that catz action was just as bad as the nrg guy's? o.O not saying that either one is a big deal, to me ... neither should be a basis of a clan's termination in a league lol... edit: IdrA should have lost his KesPA liscence by now
So he makes a manner hatchery, after doing an allin fag build, then when he's losing the guy tells him not to BM his team mates and he goes off calling him a fucking newb and shit. Boxxxah or whatever didnt even say anything like that until CatZ started
Anyone who thinks CatZ wasnt being a bm dickcheese should think again
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Catz was infinitely worse imo. "bm idiot" terran OP references "dare BM me" "stupid newb."
Only reason AhhBoxxah was even banned was for the word "fucking." Besides a cuss word, he didn't really say anything in particular that's BM (in terms of insults). Also saying "I'm going to 7pool" in a cw setting and especially the forward hatch were especially BM incidents.
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The whole story in OP is very childish, one guy said something stupid, the other one took it seriously then insults came. And now OP makes a thread to complain. I feel like in nursery school when the toddlers go to the teacher "miss miss, he is the one who started !  "
If only this could be hilarious BM'ing like Idra's to Drewbie "I want you to take a moment, to reflect how much of a failure you are"....
If you are convinced you are right and that CatZ was the BM asshole, you don't need to give us the whole story about CatZ. Just make a thread about how bad are SGL admins, because this is the actual issue if I understand correctly.
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If Catz was a person who had play BroodWar and follow Broodwar .. The speaking out of his/her own build order and building Hatchery in opponent natura was pretty bad manner. For all those that say those action aren't bad manner, you probably don't follow Broodwar. If Catz had not play BroodWar before, it's understandable and not really b.m.
Edit: After reading the post below me.. It seems I read the thread wrong..
Anyway it's not unjust that your team was disqualified and they only get a warning. Hope they reconsider and release a statement on their decision.
GOOD LUCK!
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this post isnt about catz, its about the fact that we (NrG) were kicked out of the SGL because of this incident when its apparent that neither player crossed a line or both players crossed it.
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On September 07 2010 18:11 Kvz wrote:
this post isnt about catz, its about the fact that we (NrG) were kicked out of the SGL because of this incident when its apparent that neither player crossed a line or both players crossed it.
Exactly. Some people here seems to forget that this isn't about bm or pointing fingers. It's about SGL, how terribly they handled this incident.
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What kind of coward waits to BM for his "teammates" AFTER he wins. Why not shit talk CatZ before you win before you can take your free 30 min TvZ win.
Hi, Bamboo here.
There is slightly more to the story (after talking to the admin along with NeverExpo on MSN after the news was broken to me). GnR (admin) claims that NrG has a BM reputation already due to 2 events that happened in the past.
One event was against team nG, I believe a week ago, when one of our members called an opposing team member "cheesy". This was said in spectator chat only, none of the players were disturbed and there was no BM from either side in a public setting. At all. But that seems to be one of the two situations that cast NrG as a BM team.
The other event was against team inflow several weeks ago in which one of our players did say "gg scrub" after being cheesed and lost. The kicker here is that it had nothing to do with SGL, and was just a friendly CW.
And I'll just leave that with a small excerpt from our MSN conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +
I played you guys in a clan war a week (probably this SGL thing also or maybe not) or so ago and after your player AhhhBoxaaahh disconnected even though he was winning with a huge 60+ food advantage, according to the rules and my manager we were supposed to regame. He spent the entire game and in the lobby berating me because of this and when he won the next game he finished by saying "Are you going to fucking leave now?" or something along those lines. I have a feeling this "bm" is a regular occurrence for your clan.
I'm a pretty bm guy myself but when I'm representing a clan I shut up.
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i think the actual quote for that instance you're talking about is more along the lines of 'if i disc now would we have to regame again ^^?'
it was in jest. assuming you're oakhill and in that case, hi 
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On September 07 2010 18:32 PokePill wrote:What kind of coward waits to BM for his "teammates" AFTER he wins. Why not shit talk CatZ before you win before you can take your free 30 min TvZ win. Show nested quote +Hi, Bamboo here.
There is slightly more to the story (after talking to the admin along with NeverExpo on MSN after the news was broken to me). GnR (admin) claims that NrG has a BM reputation already due to 2 events that happened in the past.
One event was against team nG, I believe a week ago, when one of our members called an opposing team member "cheesy". This was said in spectator chat only, none of the players were disturbed and there was no BM from either side in a public setting. At all. But that seems to be one of the two situations that cast NrG as a BM team.
The other event was against team inflow several weeks ago in which one of our players did say "gg scrub" after being cheesed and lost. The kicker here is that it had nothing to do with SGL, and was just a friendly CW.
And I'll just leave that with a small excerpt from our MSN conversation:
+ Show Spoiler + I played you guys in a clan war a week (probably this SGL thing also or maybe not) or so ago and after your player AhhhBoxaaahh disconnected even though he was winning with a huge 60+ food advantage, according to the rules and my manager we were supposed to regame. He spent the entire game and in the lobby berating me because of this and when he won the next game he finished by saying "Are you going to fucking leave now?" or something along those lines. I have a feeling this "bm" is a regular occurrence for your clan.
While BM doesn't make BM justifiable. You're an ass for not forfeiting. Don't care what your manager said. Join the game and gg out if you must.
On-topic: I think the punishment was a bit harsh, but due to past complaints the ban may have been justified (although if it was just one person being BM why not ban just the one person)
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On September 07 2010 18:41 itzbrandnew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 18:32 PokePill wrote:What kind of coward waits to BM for his "teammates" AFTER he wins. Why not shit talk CatZ before you win before you can take your free 30 min TvZ win. Hi, Bamboo here.
There is slightly more to the story (after talking to the admin along with NeverExpo on MSN after the news was broken to me). GnR (admin) claims that NrG has a BM reputation already due to 2 events that happened in the past.
One event was against team nG, I believe a week ago, when one of our members called an opposing team member "cheesy". This was said in spectator chat only, none of the players were disturbed and there was no BM from either side in a public setting. At all. But that seems to be one of the two situations that cast NrG as a BM team.
The other event was against team inflow several weeks ago in which one of our players did say "gg scrub" after being cheesed and lost. The kicker here is that it had nothing to do with SGL, and was just a friendly CW.
And I'll just leave that with a small excerpt from our MSN conversation:
+ Show Spoiler + I played you guys in a clan war a week (probably this SGL thing also or maybe not) or so ago and after your player AhhhBoxaaahh disconnected even though he was winning with a huge 60+ food advantage, according to the rules and my manager we were supposed to regame. He spent the entire game and in the lobby berating me because of this and when he won the next game he finished by saying "Are you going to fucking leave now?" or something along those lines. I have a feeling this "bm" is a regular occurrence for your clan. While BM doesn't make BM justifiable. You're an ass for not forfeiting. Don't care what your manager said. Join the game and gg out if you must. On-topic: I think the punishment was a bit harsh, but due to past complaints the ban may have been justified (although if it was just one person being BM why not ban just the one person)
Yea dude I'm an ass for doing what my manager told me to do. Thank you for interjecting your opinion in something that has nothing to do with this thread. Do you have any opinions on global warming?
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form what I've read it basicly comes down to this...
SGL]GnR says:
its my league and what i say goes
obviously both clans don't have "that" many problems with one another, but some immature league-admins think they have to prove that they can do whatever the hell they please.....old news, actually
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On September 07 2010 18:45 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 18:41 itzbrandnew wrote:On September 07 2010 18:32 PokePill wrote:What kind of coward waits to BM for his "teammates" AFTER he wins. Why not shit talk CatZ before you win before you can take your free 30 min TvZ win. Hi, Bamboo here.
There is slightly more to the story (after talking to the admin along with NeverExpo on MSN after the news was broken to me). GnR (admin) claims that NrG has a BM reputation already due to 2 events that happened in the past.
One event was against team nG, I believe a week ago, when one of our members called an opposing team member "cheesy". This was said in spectator chat only, none of the players were disturbed and there was no BM from either side in a public setting. At all. But that seems to be one of the two situations that cast NrG as a BM team.
The other event was against team inflow several weeks ago in which one of our players did say "gg scrub" after being cheesed and lost. The kicker here is that it had nothing to do with SGL, and was just a friendly CW.
And I'll just leave that with a small excerpt from our MSN conversation:
+ Show Spoiler + I played you guys in a clan war a week (probably this SGL thing also or maybe not) or so ago and after your player AhhhBoxaaahh disconnected even though he was winning with a huge 60+ food advantage, according to the rules and my manager we were supposed to regame. He spent the entire game and in the lobby berating me because of this and when he won the next game he finished by saying "Are you going to fucking leave now?" or something along those lines. I have a feeling this "bm" is a regular occurrence for your clan. While BM doesn't make BM justifiable. You're an ass for not forfeiting. Don't care what your manager said. Join the game and gg out if you must. On-topic: I think the punishment was a bit harsh, but due to past complaints the ban may have been justified (although if it was just one person being BM why not ban just the one person) Yea dude I'm an ass for doing what my manager told me to do. Thank you for interjecting your opinion in something that has nothing to do with this thread. Do you have any opinions on global warming?
If you don't like people commenting on your and your manager's BM don't post it. Also, did you not see my on-topic part? Or did you tunnel vision my criticism.
Agreed with the poster above me, in the end it's his league and his credibility at stake. If he feels this ban won't affect his credibility then he's fine to do whatever he wants (I support his decision)
Edit: Taking argument to PM
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
the thread title is a little melodramatic is it not? the bottom line is you have a bone to pick with the admins not RooT. so contact them privately and ask them to justify/reconsider the ban. if you run into to a brick wall there, then maybe make a thread about the incident asking for advice on how to deal with the situation. this 'drama' thread serves no real purpose.
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Honestly, Boxxah shouldn't of said anything. and bring the reply to the league admin and let them deal with it, instead boxxah took it into his own hands and treated cat like he did something wrong.
I dont think you should of been removed from the league though
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neverexpo, why get worked up over this? obviously the league and the "league leader" is a joke. take your time, effort, and skill to someplace where people understand the concept of respect.
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both jerks? If someone runs their mouth try to beat them and if you lose get over it. Cursing on the internet gets you nowhere. For being such a baby I don't know how boxxah got on such a high horse but still I don't see any reason for a ban. Text besides gg and pause should be banned from all tournaments then there would be no issue.
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Poorly handled situation by league admins. Hope they improve before they kill their own league.
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ESPORTS and drama, what a combination. =) DQ is a tad harsh imo.
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Change thread title to: Boycott SGL
It seems that most people in thread are in agreement that the decision to ban either party was capricious and uncalled for....
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On September 07 2010 19:37 Santiago4ever wrote:
Poorly handled situation by league admins. Hope they improve before they kill their own league.
indeed - I mean, even in professional sports things get out of hand once in a while...but just think about how ridiculous it would be to outright ban a NHL-team for the whole season just because one player loses it and starts punching another guy in the face during a match...
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Banning the whole for the action of an individual is stupid. You can ban Boxxah for a week or something like that but not the whole team. This is just an admin drunk on some semblance of power.
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I was in NrG in BW ... but I'm not going to take sides here. Both players were kind of BM. But thats also part of the game ... deal with it. With no record of previous BM from NrG and the whole "its my league its my decision" from the Admin is really stupid and pathetic. The decision to ban NrG was really stupid and unjustified.
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Russian Federation82 Posts
so much drama here
missed watching gilmore girls
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catZ actions where more offenvise than the NRG guy.
just makes no sense that nrg was banned and root dosent.
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FUCK Why didn't I think of telling protoss I'm gonna 7pool on steppes before they scout it.
Thx catz.
This thread is pretty terrible. I wish there was more BM in competitive SC2 play, it would make it a hell of a lot more entertaining.
If I had money to throw around I would host a tournament where every player who says gg is banned, and BM is encouraged through a consolation prize for the best trash talker.
Damn that would be amazing.
Oh also, the SGL admin sounds like a douchebag. So does AhhBoxxah.
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SGL is really in the wrong and thats what this thread shows more then anything.
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Some of you place too much weight about this whole BM business, it's a competition and stuff like this happens, and imo should happen. Ever watch a UFC or any other competitive sport pre-game? It's for show, no matter if they really mean it or not it shouldnt matter.
Anyways, that's my take on stuff like this. As someone wrote earlier, very silly. And as such, my opinion is of course that no warnings or bans should have been made at all.
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I really get tired of people crying about BM like little girls. I understand the desire for respect and all that, but this unflinchingly rigid adherence to 100% PROPRIETY ALL THE TIME OR ELSE is beyond aggravating. I think some people need to take the sticks out of their asses and relax a bit. No one should have been DQed, but no one should have been making a big fuss about some harmless teasing either. We're playing a video game here, not practicing the art of the samurai
also:
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omg Babe Ruth u r so BM srsly wtf
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Wait, you can get disqualified for BM'ing? That is the dumbest thing in the world. If you want to BM then go ahead and BM. In every single sport I've ever played in my entire life I've talked shit to the other team the entire time then went up and shook their hands afterwards win or lose. Are the egos and mentalities of a typical SC player so fragile that you'll really take great offense to a little trash talk?
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Extremely stupid chat but besides that the decision to ban NrG and not RooT is ridiculous as well.
Also, I really dislike Catz so I guess I'm biased as well. Stay away from any stream ever please, you make them awful and unlistenable to.
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On September 07 2010 22:23 OptimoPeach wrote:also: omg Babe Ruth u r so BM srsly wtf
lol very good point
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On September 07 2010 21:50 NrG.ShyToSs wrote:
I was in NrG in BW ... but I'm not going to take sides here. Both players were kind of BM. But thats also part of the game ... deal with it. With no record of previous BM from NrG and the whole "its my league its my decision" from the Admin is really stupid and pathetic. The decision to ban NrG was really stupid and unjustified.
ROFL HI SHYTOSS U DONT REMMBER ME BUT I REMEMEBR U.
Much love <3.
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This ban was unworthy imo, but it's not my league so we have to leave it up to the admins. But if you're gonna ban every team that bm once , you will have a 3 teams league.
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On September 07 2010 22:43 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 21:50 NrG.ShyToSs wrote:
I was in NrG in BW ... but I'm not going to take sides here. Both players were kind of BM. But thats also part of the game ... deal with it. With no record of previous BM from NrG and the whole "its my league its my decision" from the Admin is really stupid and pathetic. The decision to ban NrG was really stupid and unjustified. ROFL HI SHYTOSS U DONT REMMBER ME BUT I REMEMEBR U. Much love <3.
.... Hi there Faust ... and no I don't remember you ... sorry haha
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What root did was just as BM, and imo worse. NrG should not have been DQ'd.
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when 2 teams get into a fight, both needs be DQ'd.
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according to admins nrg was really bm in previous cw's or when dealing with admins..... i don't know, but who cares it shouldn't be gossiped about on the forums, this thread is stupid.
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On September 07 2010 23:23 drewbie.root wrote:
according to admins nrg was really bm in previous cw's or when dealing with admins..... i don't know, but who cares it shouldn't be gossiped about on the forums, this thread is stupid.
The question here is was NrG warned about the previous BM during the cw's? If not the DQ was wrong ... the DQ was extremely wrong in the first place. The only reason this was brought up in the forums is because the choice of the Admins was unfair. A lot of us here don't even really care about the BM ... that stuff happens, its just the decision by the admins.
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Meh, it was very bm.. but if anything The two players should have just been disqualified from the competition, not just one team.
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CatZ is an extremely annoying kid.. If any of you saw his interview at MLG you would know this lol.
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On September 07 2010 22:23 OptimoPeach wrote:omg Babe Ruth u r so BM srsly wtf
Wow thats so funny and I never ever would of thougth to use this lol.
Just like this is used as a taunt to get into the mind of the opponent its just as equally the same and nor did Babe get disqualified for this.
DNQ - Prior BM more than likely caused this, just like the NFL players get fined or removed from season games. Ocho Cinco got fined for Tweeting during a Pre Season game 2 times. Prelims are no different.
Just my point of view, DNQ is taking the measures to more of a extreme level but Im sure there is reasoning behind this.
If this was already said from pages 3-7 I didnt read those sorry at work. I will browse upon them over the next few hours.
-Vhalin
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On September 07 2010 22:07 Butigroove wrote:
FUCK Why didn't I think of telling protoss I'm gonna 7pool on steppes before they scout it.
Thx catz.
This thread is pretty terrible. I wish there was more BM in competitive SC2 play, it would make it a hell of a lot more entertaining.
If I had money to throw around I would host a tournament where every player who says gg is banned, and BM is encouraged through a consolation prize for the best trash talker.
Damn that would be amazing.
Oh also, the SGL admin sounds like a douchebag. So does AhhBoxxah.
Butigroove: Upon talking with him many of times through getting matches done ect. This SGL Admin you speak of is always been very nice and helpful in all things I have come to him with. At times he has inforced rules I over looked to which I was mad at, but in the End it was my team at fault and like all we had to accept them. Between Week 1 and Week 2 he has been EXTREMLY lenient with Teams making up their games and getting it done. I can see why hes putting down the Hammer of Justice with Week 3 already here and the Start of the League with next week. There just isnt time to deal with this lack of a better term "BS". Good luck to all with in this league!!!
Think of this...Reasons they would be mad and BM:
1.) Crucial Match deciding upon if they get in league or not building pressure.
2.) Catz telling his teammate he was 7 pooling..
3.) The guy is just BM and cant hold his temper, (might have happened in recent matches)
Just personal accessment dont take this to heart....
-Vhalin
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If you guys got banned based on the chatlog that was posted here (and that alone, I have no idea what else went on) I must say CatZ used a lot more harsh language, thus making the ban unfair.
Then again, only if it's based on that chat.
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On September 07 2010 12:43 Plexa wrote:
Honestly, this is all a little bit silly... you call this drama? This is nothing....
Yeah, I feel the same way,,
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I don't think that ANY build / strategy is BM. You play to win, that's it. So what if CatZ put down a hatchery at his expansion? So what if he 7pooled?
That's not BM.
What IS BM, is the bullshit that both players toss back and forth at the end of the game. I'm honestly tired of elitist bullshit - everyone thinking they are the best SC2 player of all time. I had a lot of respect for both of these players - Having a couple discussions with CatZ over PM and getting to watch AhhBoxxah play at WCG this week.
After watching CatZ's interview at MLG, and seeing this whole event unfold ... I've lost a lot of respect for everyone involved.
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Boxxah should learn to keep the mouth shut special if this is not the first time. But i dont think vs Root he was bm...So Nrg shouldn't be banned.
Catz behavior like a idiot and bm. Tell that go "7 pool" in a cw game is disrespect to the other opponent and he insult other player...But he already receive a warming if admin have the same standard one more of Catz Root gonna be banned to?
Well admin already talks but i hope he change his mind.
This is not drama just bad decisions...
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Perfectly reasonable imo. And since when did telling your opponent your strategy become BM?
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Imo, a little BM is always good. I know SC2 community is WM but i think it's just good for the rivalry. SGL admins are pretty harsh imo to ban NrG for this.
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All of a sudden stoic not participating makes so much more sense ! To think, we did it because of inside information on their sponsor, however the prospect of unjust admin decisions is what led us to pull our name from qualifiers.
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On September 07 2010 22:23 OptimoPeach wrote:I really get tired of people crying about BM like little girls. I understand the desire for respect and all that, but this unflinchingly rigid adherence to 100% PROPRIETY ALL THE TIME OR ELSE is beyond aggravating. I think some people need to take the sticks out of their asses and relax a bit. No one should have been DQed, but no one should have been making a big fuss about some harmless teasing either. We're playing a video game here, not practicing the art of the samurai also: omg Babe Ruth u r so BM srsly wtf
that sums it up. case closed
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On September 08 2010 02:15 Dukke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 22:23 OptimoPeach wrote:I really get tired of people crying about BM like little girls. I understand the desire for respect and all that, but this unflinchingly rigid adherence to 100% PROPRIETY ALL THE TIME OR ELSE is beyond aggravating. I think some people need to take the sticks out of their asses and relax a bit. No one should have been DQed, but no one should have been making a big fuss about some harmless teasing either. We're playing a video game here, not practicing the art of the samurai also: omg Babe Ruth u r so BM srsly wtf that sums it up. case closed
lol dude read the thread this is NrG vs. SGL not NrG vs. ROOT =p
I think the thread title and the typical human focus on the spotlight of the issue (the BM) is turning all the attention to irrelevant things. I agree with drewbie.
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I don't really see much reason for posting a thread about this.. It's just perpetuating drama.
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On September 08 2010 01:28 Nivoh wrote:
Perfectly reasonable imo. And since when did telling your opponent your strategy become BM?
Ok, let me tell you I'm doing something and then watch you wonder and get worried over what I just said. If he was going 7pool there's no need to say anything, it just messes with the other persons strategy. Both teams/ players should just get warnings and let it be at that.
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On September 08 2010 03:12 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 01:28 Nivoh wrote:
Perfectly reasonable imo. And since when did telling your opponent your strategy become BM? Ok, let me tell you I'm doing something and then watch you wonder and get worried over what I just said. If he was going 7pool there's no need to say anything, it just messes with the other persons strategy. Both teams/ players should just get warnings and let it be at that.
Or you could just watch pretty much any replay of CatZ from the last several weeks and know he's not lying.
The lack of proper opponent scouting in this game is unreal. I know if I was doing something like this I would be studying opponent replays and VOD's like CRAZY.
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On September 07 2010 12:45 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Yea what CatZ said is true, i did get very upset and took it out on him which i shudnt have, and i immediately appologized afterwards. The "BM" incident people from inflow are referring to is something that happened close to 2 months ago in a friendly CW between NrG and inflow. Boxxah did say something stupid during that clan war, and he lost, and i told him it was wrong and ofc he knew it was wrong. But considering an incident like that towards a league is absolutely ridiculous. Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events. SGL admins once again made a horrible decision in taking something from a CW that didn't even matter and holding it against us in their league..
While i mostly agree with you, i have to say that imho it is right to consider previous actions from a player towards a league.
If you know a player is not behaving well in general and BMing sometimes, then admins should teach him a lession by banning him if he does not behave well again. Imagine a player hacks in a big tournament and gets banned, but then is regarded as a normal player in another big tournament. Thats just not right. If someone behaves bad then its a bad character trait and you cant narrow that down to a certain CW or tournament. Its always with him.
MY opinion is that they should ban boxxah and warn catz, but surely not DQ NrG.
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Hmm, terrible decision by the admin. It should have either been both banned, or neither banned. Honestly, not a huge transgression- hopefully the admin will allow you back in, and give both teams a warning or something.
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Well, from what I read in the OP, 100% of the fault lies with nrg. Unless of course you can prove you aren't allowed to talk about what build you're going to use. I have never heard of this, where is this rule?
Sounds like you guys took shit waaaay too seriously and got upset about it.
The DQ is ridiculous, though.
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ahh i read the chat log
how could nrg possibly be DQ'd and root not be? what the hell? ridiculous decisions by the admins.
On September 08 2010 02:38 Wolf wrote:
I don't really see much reason for posting a thread about this.. It's just perpetuating drama.
probably because it's unfair by the admins and they want to out it.
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can't watch the replay but by the sounds of it nobody should be banned ^^
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well after looking at the group NrG was in. after that 4-0 loss to fnatic they had no chance of qualifying . so this ban wasn't even needed. and banning them for 2 more seasons is kinda out of line for a little confrontation between 2 players....
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boxxah was defending his teammates in an angry manner, not bming catz or w/e. Catz went on like a child and started calling stupid noob/idiot and w/e. Idk how can you say that catz is a mannered person or even remotely mature. Even using the word noob is a sign of an immature person or player. We all know people use the word noob, in a attempt to make themselves feel better by acknowledging that they have made the other person feel bad. It's just very immature in nature. That's not to say boxxah went on to over react the situation instead of solving it peacefully/maturely. The admin's decision is pretty extreme and its obvious favoritism. Man I hate people picking favorites -.-
P.S Yes this is my first time posting. Im in no way related to root or Nrg. I'm not smurfing, I belong to qgaming.net
just saying
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Sounds like Catz was cheesing/screwing around, but it was Ahhboxxah who BMs (swears) first. Of course, the comeback from Catz after was bad too. I think both players should be disciplined.
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On September 08 2010 03:52 Dukke wrote:
well after looking at the group NrG was in. after that 4-0 loss to fnatic they had no chance of qualifying . so this ban wasn't even needed. and banning them for 2 more seasons is kinda out of line for a little confrontation between 2 players....
Dukke do you even know what you're talking about? We hadn't played against fnatic We had played one CW against nG in which we won 4-2, and this CW vs root was tied at 2-2 before we stopped playing, We had only inflow left after and it looked very possible for us to advance. Dont know where ur getting ur information from, but its dead wrong lol.
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On September 08 2010 04:18 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 03:52 Dukke wrote:
well after looking at the group NrG was in. after that 4-0 loss to fnatic they had no chance of qualifying . so this ban wasn't even needed. and banning them for 2 more seasons is kinda out of line for a little confrontation between 2 players.... Dukke do you even know what you're talking about? We hadn't played against fnatic We had played one CW against nG in which we won 4-2, and this CW vs root was tied at 2-2 before we stopped playing, We had only inflow left after and it looked very possible for us to advance. Dont know where ur getting ur information from, but its dead wrong lol.
im getting it off the battle report on the SGL site. sorry if it was the wrong info.
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i cant download the rep - maybe u can upload it on another site?
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i dont think there's much point in discussing this issue further until we know what the other supposedly related cases of bm on nrgs part are.
catz opened by giving his opponent information. false or not cannot be known by the opponent at this point in time and it definately can screw with your gameplay considerably. it doesnt appear to be disallowed in this league, and whether or not the game of starcraft should entail mindgames played over written messages in the game chat is a topic that can be discussed elsewhere.
AhhBoxxah took offense to it (rightly so in my opinion) but lost possible morale highground for cussing, additionally to it not being an enforcable offense in this league.
catz returns that with worse or equally vicious insulting behaviour, but only nrg gets removed from the league.
we can either put trust in the organization of this league and assume that nrg did have a bad record, or
we can hold them accountable and see it as a biased decision at the cost of nrg until transparency is created and we can see and judge for ourselves the sufficiency of the supposed prior offenses on nrgs side.
i dont think leaving power unchecked is a good thing to do, because unlike nrg humanity does have a bad track record with this.
remains to be seen if the unease created from this thread can put enough pressure on the league to get the admins to talk.
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Ban both players to set an example. But honestly, if the 7 pool comment is going to make you cry, then it's time to man up. If you consider this game a "sport" then let people be competitive as long as there is no disrespect, which the the 7 pool comment was not. But the comments afterwards were, so both players, not teams, should be banned.
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What catz did at first wasnt bm... I see this as you crying for your own mistake. Someone on your team acted stupid because they can't take a joke, deal with it.
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lets talk about players/guilds that matter. besides telling him what you would do isn't bm. its stupid, but its not bm.
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On September 08 2010 05:30 Glasse wrote:
What catz did at first wasnt bm... I see this as you crying for your own mistake. Someone on your team acted stupid because they can't take a joke, deal with it.
I agree with this. Seems like a bunch of crying that isn't going to change anything. There are plenty of leagues, go play in another one.
Bringing this into a forum is useless imo.
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Why is this topic even still open for discussion? NRG got removed due to having a history while Root did not, even if they are disputing one of the previous bad manner events there is another documented one and they got told by an admin that they would be acted upon if they did BM again. He posted the chat log about it after the first offense and the admin citing the events with inflow as well. Even if you toss out the Inflow episode there was still the second one in which caused the admin chat log anyways.
Very cut and dry, one team has a history the other doesnt, one gets a ban one gets a warning. The one that got banned was even told not to let this happen again -.- To make things worse he starts the OP by saying oh wowowowowow favoritism cuz root is a big team and we're not but conveniently leaves out the part about being warned by the admin previously? Then when other people bring up didnt you BM other teams in the past it suddenly changes from favoritism to oh wowwww only one of the previous bm episodes was in their league. I mean seriously? Going to say yes you had previous episodes and only one of them should count? -.- Thats like going to trial for double murder and saying you're not guilty because you only killed one of the victims within their jurisdiction.
I agree with drewbie dumb thread.
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On September 08 2010 06:26 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Very cut and dry, one team has a history the other doesnt, one gets a ban one gets a warning.
Seems fair enough.
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shouldn't this be a post on the SGL site?
why is NRG trying to bring more of this bullshit into TL?
do we really want more 'drama'?
even though you could hardly call this drama... bullshit pretty much sums it up.
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On September 07 2010 12:45 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
. . Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events..
I was not going to say anything in this thread, because I don't want to compound the drama here, but as Inflows leader I feel the need to step in after seeing you post several times that we"whined" about you etc and after getting two PM's from you ranting at me for no reason.
Not once did we complain about you to the SGL, the fact that you BM'd us in a "friendly" Clan War and called one of my players a scrub after loosing HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DQ at least it shouldn't.
What bearing \should a non related clanwar have against you? None I would hope.
So kindly stop mentioning my teams name and trying to pull us into your mess, we have done nothing wrong.
Also stop PM'ing me, thanks
PS: The ban was not even necessary, you would have lost to us(ohhhhh more ddramaaaaaaa)
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after reading the chat log definately seems like catz did much more BM
i say you make a poll for this ^^
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I think we all need to just hold hands and sing a song of love.
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On September 08 2010 06:31 TadH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:45 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
. . Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events.. I was not going to say anything in this thread, because I don't want to compound the drama here, but as Inflows leader I feel the need to step in after seeing you post several times that we"whined" about you etc and after getting two PM's from you ranting at me for no reason. Not once did we complain about you to the SGL, the fact that you BM'd us in a "friendly" Clan War and called one of my players a scrub after loosing HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DQ at least it shouldn't. What bearing \should a non related clanwar have against you? None I would hope. So kindly stop mentioning my teams name and trying to pull us into your mess, we have done nothing wrong. Also stop PM'ing me, thanks PS: The ban was not even necessary, you would have lost to us(ohhhhh more ddramaaaaaaa)
lol more lies, post the 2 PMs i sent u? :D I sent you 1 PM (it sent twice somehow) because i didnt wanna discuss it here. You posted something in another thread about NrG. being "sub-par" And i wanted to comment on it. I even apologized in the PM for bm, ill actually post it here:
"So What is your problem man?
1 of our players says something very stupid after masq wins, and you try to bash our reputation on here? I'm 100% aware that you went to SGL admins and whined to them, and I guess your plan worked because the admin was quite an idiot, and help boxxah's stupid comment in a friendly cw against him in SGL. I think it was more of an act to eliminate the competition on your part, rather than anything else. Were you really that hurt about his comment? Did it greatly effect your day? Stop being so sensitive. If you had a serious problem with us you could have come to me directly, im a very reasonable guy and I would have been more than happy to apologize on behalf of our team, because yea what he did was wrong, but you dont have to go to these measures to try to make us look bad Bad taste and class man, really."
You're right it did send twice, b ut it was the same PM. I didnt mean to "litter" your inbox
P.S.: Lets schedule a CW if u want :D
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if catZ really didnt intend to BM (or screw his opponent mental game) with that "Im going 7 pool", he wont be so offended when AhhBoxxah called him bm.
the fact that he responded real hard makes me believe he just as guilty as AhhBoxxah.
both team should be DQ or just a warning. Doesnt make any sense if only NrG get DQ.
Favouritism is disgusting.
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On September 08 2010 06:43 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 06:31 TadH wrote:On September 07 2010 12:45 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
. . Inflow complained about our BM before even encountering us in the SGL. They merely did it to punish us, I guess from prior events.. I was not going to say anything in this thread, because I don't want to compound the drama here, but as Inflows leader I feel the need to step in after seeing you post several times that we"whined" about you etc and after getting two PM's from you ranting at me for no reason. Not once did we complain about you to the SGL, the fact that you BM'd us in a "friendly" Clan War and called one of my players a scrub after loosing HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DQ at least it shouldn't. What bearing \should a non related clanwar have against you? None I would hope. So kindly stop mentioning my teams name and trying to pull us into your mess, we have done nothing wrong. Also stop PM'ing me, thanks PS: The ban was not even necessary, you would have lost to us(ohhhhh more ddramaaaaaaa) lol more lies, post the 2 PMs i sent u? :D I sent you 1 PM (it sent twice somehow) because i didnt wanna discuss it here. You posted something in another thread about NrG. being "sub-par" And i wanted to comment on it. I even apologized in the PM for bm, ill actually post it here: "So What is your problem man? 1 of our players says something very stupid after masq wins, and you try to bash our reputation on here? I'm 100% aware that you went to SGL admins and whined to them, and I guess your plan worked because the admin was quite an idiot, and help boxxah's stupid comment in a friendly cw against him in SGL. I think it was more of an act to eliminate the competition on your part, rather than anything else. Were you really that hurt about his comment? Did it greatly effect your day? Stop being so sensitive. If you had a serious problem with us you could have come to me directly, im a very reasonable guy and I would have been more than happy to apologize on behalf of our team, because yea what he did was wrong, but you dont have to go to these measures to try to make us look bad Bad taste and class man, really." You're right it did send twice, b ut it was the same PM. I didnt mean to "litter" your inbox P.S.: Lets schedule a CW if u want :D
Wait let me get this right in the OP you say that you're deeply sorry that the event vs root happened and that you're sure that both sides regret their actions. Then you turn aroudn and say that one of your players said something extremely stupid after losing to masq and then say "Were you really taht hurt about his comment? Did it greatly effect your day? Stop being so sensitive." and then said you would have been happy to apologize for your players?
So on one hand the incident that got you banned you're sorry for, but the previous one vs Inflow that you say doesn't matter you tell him to grow up and not let his feelings get hurt so easily but that you'd still apologize for it? Doesn't that invalidate the apology in the OP? Doesn't that kind of kill the entire point of this thread (even more?)
You sir need to get your story straight.
@Domon read the thread please before you respond -.- NRG has a history of BM in the SGL at least one instance so thats why one team gets a DQ and the other a warning. No favoritism involved.
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Let's get one thing straight here, like I posted before I was the point of contact between SGL and Inflow and I never "went to SGL admins and whined to them". After the leader of nG told me there was an issue with their match with NrG and there was a possibility of NrG being disqualified, I talked with the admin to see if that was the case. After a brief talk about the incident with nG, I believe I said something like "That's unfortanate because we had an incident before with them also." That is the total sum of our conversation about NrG. Never did I try to implicity or explicity get NrG banned or disqualified from the SGL, it was merely a statement of fact that I was hoping the incident Inflow had with NrG was an isolated incident and not reflective of the team itself. Trying to get NrG banned never even crossed my mind. He told me that NrG was not disqualified. That was it. There is no point to us being part of this discussion so please stop trying to drag Inflow into this as some sort of evil mastermind that tried to get you banned. You should be taking this up with the admins of the SGL, not trying to cast blame on a public forum. If you have an issue with my contact with the SGL admin, please take it up with me, not with the forum, or Tad, or anybody else.
We are not the bad guys here, and never were trying to be the bad guys.
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I didn't say it wasn't wrong from our point, i said it wasn't a big deal. Sure I think people need to thicken their hide up a bit, but either way what we did was wrong. The even vs inflow is completely different than the one vs root, so dont compare them.
I can definitely apologize for the BM that happened towards inflow, it was 1 player and he spoke out of line. Do i think it was a big deal? no. But i can still apologize and feel bad for it
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I'm not good with words but I wish we could all just start putting this behind us now..
I have great respect for all of the teams involved in this thread and I don't want anything said in this thread to tarnish the name of NrG. This mainly started off not to pick on any team but to ask if what the admin did was right. But it now it seems like we're branching off and starting to pick on each other and that isnt right. We're all one big community and I don't want something like this to make us all hate each other.
I'm sure some of you are gonna read what I said and think I'm stupid but I just couldn't sit by and read these posts anymore I had to try and say something with my limited knowledge and vocabulary. =(
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You wanna know why i brought Inflow into this? Cuz i saw TadH attacking our reputation for no reason in a completely irrelevant thread.
"On September 07 2010 13:56 Empyrean wrote:
NrG is a really skilled clan, even back in the BW days. They had a consistent lineup of B and above players for clan leagues. It's no surprise that they're doing well in SC2 as well.
Sounded like you had a blast. I love reading these tournament write-ups.
Too bad their manners are sub par, they were removed from the SGL for repeated verbal abuse of other teams."
WTF is that? That was in a Blog about the LAN we just played in, and the OP was saying what a nice time he had with us. And you post that...Classy
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On September 08 2010 07:01 Cirno wrote:
I'm not good with words but I wish we could all just start putting this behind us now..
I have great respect for all of the teams involved in this thread and I don't want anything said in this thread to tarnish the name of NrG. This mainly started off not to pick on any team but to ask if what the admin did was right. But it now it seems like we're branching off and starting to pick on each other and that isnt right. We're all one big community and I don't want something like this to make us all hate each other.
I'm sure some of you are gonna read what I said and think I'm stupid but I just couldn't sit by and read these posts anymore I had to try and say something with my limited knowledge and vocabulary. =(
<3 all
The problem is if you wanted to know about what the SGL admin did was wrong you should be contacting SGL not airing this in public. This entire topic is stupid, NRG was warned for BM against another team in the SGL and then got banned after the event with Root. Root got warned after the event with NRG. As far as I can see the same process has been followed, plus the fact that it really isnt the place to be bringing it up. The whole OMG ADMIN FUCKD UP type of threads really shouldnt exist until after you've fully explored all routes with the SGL and even then in this circumstance theres no ground for NRG to stand on in filing a complaint.
Edit @ Never, so because he said something bad about you in public you bring their name up in public in a bad light? AFTER you got done telling him he should have PM'd you instead of going to an admin? Are you even listening to yourself right now?
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Ive obviously explored all routes, and his decision in "final". Why? Because "Its his league and he does what he wants". I didnt bring inflow up in a bad light at all. Jesus fucking chris u guys need to relax. Im not berating any teams or anything, its simply NrG vs SGL. Raelcun this isnt your fight, you have inputted what u think should have went down, and thats what i was asking for. I respect ur initial feedback, but to continue to try and fight with me is stupid. This thread should be closed i guess because people are running out of logical things to say, and they are starting to verbal diarrhea all over the place.
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The issue is more that the previous instances of BM that are being cited are
1. during an friendly cw vs inflow that had nothing to do with SGL.
2. during cw vs nG where an observer said one of the players had a cheesy style. -- lol.
the incident that is being discussed in this thread was definitely bm on both sides. i think 'im gonna 7 pool you' is a mind fuck. the following game as well was bm on both sides.
being banned from the league due to 2 previously undocumented incidents of bm, one of which was not even part involved in the league is just kind of a shocker. x_x
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