Should Buildings be Armored? - Page 5

On September 11 2010 05:47 Piy wrote:
It does feel a little tough when Marauders can snipe a nexus so fast, but I'm not willing to call it imbalanced yet.

On September 11 2010 06:02 Ballistixz wrote:
marauders are the only unit that rly rapes buildings followed by the ultra. immortals dont rly kill buildings all that fast unless u have a mass of them. and even then they dont kill it as fast as stimmed marauders.

On September 11 2010 06:02 Ballistixz wrote:
marauders are the only unit that rly rapes buildings followed by the ultra.

On September 11 2010 05:55 Hikari wrote:
Removing the armored attribute away from buildings might make it too difficult to break certain turtle configuration. Standard toss wall with double gateway or terran rack+factory wall off might be a lot stronger than it is today. I think a solution might be to slightly buff the health of buildings. A spire with 600 health gets sniped by 4 stimmed marauder doing 19dps in 8 seconds...

When I first started playing sc2 I am not very satisfied with the armor-type system. Light armored units are rare and they more or less "counter" each other (hellions, reapers), while armored units usually have bonus damage against other armored targets. Un-typed targets (ie: archons/queens) you can count with 1 hand.

I expect blizzard to breach this gap in future expansions where we might have armored anti-light and light-antiarmor units.

On September 11 2010 06:05 ltortoise wrote:


It's not like two void rays can't snipe buildings pretty damned quick, too. Actually, faster than 4 marauders!

Four marauders + medivac cost 500/200.
They do ((10 + 10) - 1) * 4 damage per attack, add stim and the cooldown is 1, so 76 DPS.

Two void rays cost 500/300.
They do (25 - 1) * 2 damage per attack, with a cooldown of .6, so 80 DPS (fully charged)

Yes, they take time to charge, but the medivac has to unload, so it evens out IMO.

Food for thought: 8 zerglings with 0 upgdrades do (5 - 1) * 8 damage with a cooldown of .7, so ~46 DPS to buildings (!!!). That doesn't seem like much, but it only costs 300/0, and don't Zerg's have the biggest gas problems of all races?. Of course without the upgrade overlords are slow as hell though, but still food for thought. With +1, two overlords full of lings are dishing out 115 DPS, with the modest cost of 600/0.

I'm starting to think a lot of the complaints are stemming from the popularity of marauder drops. Other races can do similar things for similar costs.

On September 11 2010 06:06 Pyre wrote:
I wouldn't matter if they changed it. Marine drops would just become more common place.

I did somes tests on a nexus with 1-0 upgrades and stim
4 Marauders killed a nexus in about 13 seconds
8 marines killed a nexus in about 12 seconds.

On September 11 2010 06:11 Jameser wrote:

the big difference is void rays are pretty much useless except for voidray rushes, while marauders are part of the standard terran army anyway...

(yes this matters hugely)

On September 11 2010 06:13 ltortoise wrote:


I don't agree with this statement.

Why can't a void ray be a part of the protoss army? Everybody jizzed their pants when Terrans started keeping their banshees as a part of their main army when the harassing phase was over, to fantastic effect. I see no reason why Protoss can't do that with void rays, especially if there are a lot of marauders on the field. Keep the void rays in back, firing down at the front line. They can do LOADS of damage...

On September 11 2010 06:16 Jameser wrote:

because starports can be used for many other units that benefit the terran army (medivac, raven, reactionary vikings etc)

stargates can only build phoenix and void rays and as such are a much bigger investment. (not counting BCs and carriers, although here too BCs are clearly superior to carriers)

On September 11 2010 06:18 ltortoise wrote:


...? Stargate is also easier to get to, and phoenix have many uses, such as countering ALL Terran air if massed (due to their incredibly high hp and fantastic speed).

I don't understand your points.

On September 11 2010 06:20 Jameser wrote:

I don't even know why I expect more than low silver leaguers on TL anymore... sigh...

anyway marauders feel too much like wc3 units (very strong and focused on a certain damage type)

On August 14 2010 05:13 AyJay wrote:
If buildings were not armored it would make no sense.

I mean Command center having less armor than siege tank? :o