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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2761 Posts
March 24 2008 18:55 GMT
#61
like wooden tennis rackets. THey added so much strategic dept. It's a shame they aren't obliged.
ZergPowerrr
Profile Joined March 2008
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-24 19:20:49
March 24 2008 19:18 GMT
#62
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Hotkey modifying is considered illegal in online play because it is illegal in LAN. Whether people say it's hacking or equivalent to hacking is irrelevant. It still remains true that it's cheating and is illegal. Whatever other games do is irrelevant to BW's rules.

It is illegal in LAN because it's only allowed to modify config files. Since bw is old, it doesn't have this facility and blizzard is too lazy to change anything... (see above discussion).
Many things are irrelevant right? But the affirmation doesn't hold just because you say so. You have to bring some tougher arguments. You didn't say why it's cheating. You're just saying that ONLY in bw, such a feature is cheating, while in other games it is not. It just doesn't make sense...
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There is no outcry for modifying hotkeys among professionals or fans. Besides, it is likely that everyone would use the same obvious setup and there would be no change in competitive play except everything would be a little easier to do.

Despite what you said, many pros still use modified hotkeys in one way or another. Every second counts in high level games, it can be the difference between victory or defeat.
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There are no professional BW players who use the German version of the game. Boxer did not change hotkeys; he only physically removed useless keys from his keyboard.

You can't deny that! I'm too tired to find that piece of news where german players came with their own versions of the game at wcg, but if you're so insistent, I'll do it.
Do you really know exactly about the way boxer configured his keyboard? Nah, I don't think he swapped O with Q for instant siege mode...
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Yes you can get away with modifying your hotkeys if that's all you ever play is online competitions. But online-only players get minimal respect and minimal prize money so it's not worth much.

I play bw for fun only. It's much more confortable to play with modified hotkeys.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 24 2008 19:49 GMT
#63
On March 25 2008 04:18 ZergPowerrr wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Hotkey modifying is considered illegal in online play because it is illegal in LAN. Whether people say it's hacking or equivalent to hacking is irrelevant. It still remains true that it's cheating and is illegal. Whatever other games do is irrelevant to BW's rules.

It is illegal in LAN because it's only allowed to modify config files. Since bw is old, it doesn't have this facility and blizzard is too lazy to change anything... (see above discussion).
Many things are irrelevant right? But the affirmation doesn't hold just because you say so. You have to bring some tougher arguments. You didn't say why it's cheating. You're just saying that ONLY in bw, such a feature is cheating, while in other games it is not. It just doesn't make sense...
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There is no outcry for modifying hotkeys among professionals or fans. Besides, it is likely that everyone would use the same obvious setup and there would be no change in competitive play except everything would be a little easier to do.

Despite what you said, many pros still use modified hotkeys in one way or another. Every second counts in high level games, it can be the difference between victory or defeat.
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There are no professional BW players who use the German version of the game. Boxer did not change hotkeys; he only physically removed useless keys from his keyboard.

You can't deny that! I'm too tired to find that piece of news where german players came with their own versions of the game at wcg, but if you're so insistent, I'll do it.
Do you really know exactly about the way boxer configured his keyboard? Nah, I don't think he swapped O with Q for instant siege mode...
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Yes you can get away with modifying your hotkeys if that's all you ever play is online competitions. But online-only players get minimal respect and minimal prize money so it's not worth much.

I play bw for fun only. It's much more confortable to play with modified hotkeys.


German players at WCG are a far, far cry from Korean pros. Whenever the word "pro" is used in relation to BW, it's assumed to mean Korean progamers, not high level foreigners.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7057 Posts
March 24 2008 19:52 GMT
#64
The only way progamers can modify their setup is through driver settings and the actual IRL keyboard/mouse, many progamers have taken buttons like F1 and other useless keys so they aren't in the way, but using different ingame hotkeys is banned on korean professional leagues.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-24 20:02:14
March 24 2008 20:00 GMT
#65
What's your tough argument why what other games do IS relevant to what BW does? Whatever your arguments are, it's a simple fact that BW rules do not revolve around other games. All of professional BW is located in Korea and is governed by KeSPA. Hotkey modifying is simply not allowed. As you get into amateur competition, which encompasses all non-Korean competition, you'll find departures from the rules that professionals follow, just as you would in other sport. Any organizer of an amateur event is free to set any rules they want since they are not governed by an entity like professional leagues in Korea are by KeSPA. For a standard of BW rules, you must look to KeSPA. If you want to give credence to the scattered and often poorly run amateur sector, then you can research and find that allowing custom hotkeys is still incredibly rare or non-existant in that realm. The official and unofficial standards agree that modifying hotkeys is not allowed.

Again, no professional BW players use modified hotkeys. You might be referring to professional players of other games and if that's the case, then I repeat that what other games do is irrelevant. Each game must decide its own set of rules. There cannot be a set of rules that governs every game.

WCG is an amateur event.

I don't understand why you're telling me what you personally do. If you're the only person you care about, and you're a casual player, then what do you care about the rules of competitions? If you're not the only person you care about, then why do you bother saying what you personally do? If you're only doing it for your own comfort, why do you care that competitive players disprove of it? You will forever have the disapproval of the competitive BW community.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ZergPowerrr
Profile Joined March 2008
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-24 20:17:59
March 24 2008 20:15 GMT
#66
Thanks for your info. I'm relatively new to bw as I quitted playing war3. That's why I found the rule weird and obsolete.
Why do I care? I can't understand why are you asking this...This is supposed to be a forum, and we're supposed to talk. Why do you care about sport news or celebrity news? Though you're still watching them.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-25 09:18:56
March 24 2008 20:37 GMT
#67
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 24 2008 21:27 GMT
#68
On March 25 2008 04:18 ZergPowerrr wrote:
many pros still use modified hotkeys in one way or another. Every second counts in high level games, it can be the difference between victory or defeat.


On March 25 2008 05:15 ZergPowerrr wrote:
I'm relatively new to bw as I quitted playing war3.


haha, I like how you tell NonY what counts in high level games. You know that you are discussing with one of the top foreign protosses?

And credits to nony for manners. When I read the first long reply by zergpowerrr i was sure there would a page or two of flame and drama. Such disappointment... Anyways, this is why NonY didnt win the asshole thread.

Ontopic I consider hotkey modifications cheating. It is not built in the game, and any extra help should not be allowed, unless both players agree otherwise.
ZergPowerrr
Profile Joined March 2008
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-24 22:54:10
March 24 2008 22:53 GMT
#69
Yes, I know he's an experienced and old player, from what he told me above. GL to him.
I didn't say I'm new to RTS. I played some high level war3 matches before.

Ever heard of netiquette? Well, stop teasing me now!
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 24 2008 23:02 GMT
#70
ok, so I obviously didnt read the replies careful enough. sorry about that.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
March 24 2008 23:14 GMT
#71
Oh shit, I'm going to use that key rebinding thing.

I hate being left handed most of the time. As for a mouse, it's impossible to find a left handed mouse, so I just go with an ambidextrous one. Right now I'm using a razer copperhead, and an eMachines keyboard. I also need a huuuuuuge mousepad to play. Mine is about the size of when you hold two pieces of paper together.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
March 24 2008 23:39 GMT
#72
I used modified hotkeys twice at WCG and in other lans, it has never come close to be a problem. Just because my build probe is A instead of P, is that cheating?
Jack Lupino
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands17 Posts
March 24 2008 23:41 GMT
#73
i use wireless keyboard, optical razor mouse and have drum n bass on most of the times
Armed to the teeth. Born from the shadows. Burning for revenge.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
March 24 2008 23:56 GMT
#74
Speaking of badly run tournaments, we had a LAN with Starcraft at the uni and they did it with 4 player FFAs on Blood Bath on Vanilla SC. I wanted to cry. I had spent so much time preparing to play 1v1 on pro-maps, but I was eliminated in the third round.

My friend playing with one hand and about 40 apm made it to the final round by mass battlecruisers every game, until the Koreans smashed his face into the ground. That made me feel a little better, but not really.

Somebody should tell those chobos that FFA isn't a real game mode, and to get Brood War for chissakes.

oh yes, and my mouse and mousepad

Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0. I had an old one from my friend's Alienware (he bough a G5) and I liked it so much I bought another. It's very fine accuracy and fits comfortably into my admittedly big hands. The best part about it is the stiffness of the scroll wheel. Usually I find them too loose, and using it to change weapons doesn't work because i always scroll too much. This one I know exactly how many clicks I'm getting.

And while I'm at it, I use the Steelpad G5. This pad is lovely! it's smooth as ice, but when I depress gently, it grips the mouse harder and I can use it for minute accuracy. It's also gigantic. That suited me better in my Counter-Strike days when the wide berth meant I could do a 360 degree turn without lifting my mouse. For Starcraft, the size is a little bit unnecessary, since I use hotkeys and the minimap to go distances instead of mouse scrolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
March 25 2008 00:05 GMT
#75
5 dollar keyboard 8 dollar optical mouse on a pull out drower under my desk. But my keyboard and mouse woudnlt fit enough so i have my keyboard on a peice of wood as an extention to teh pull out drower so i have enoug space for my mouse
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Deleted User 31996
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
843 Posts
March 25 2008 01:07 GMT
#76
ii must post this for i am the rekrul of computer gaming setups
[image loading]


in game though, one screen has a picture of the map layout of the map im currently playing
im the best, i have the best computer out of all TL and whenever girls come to my room they like me cause of my 3 monitors which are flat CRT, oh yeah

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