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Recently, while I was chatting, Cyrax informed me that he plays with a track ball mouse (One of those mice with a ball on the top that you roll with your thumb). This totally shocked me, considering Cyrax's micro has pissed me off more than once, and I have no idea how the hell you can control a damn thing with a track ball. He even listens to music too, which i have found is screwing me up more than it is helping.
Someone at WCG, can't remember who, changed the keyboard configuration, so when you hit the skey, a "b" was typed, when you hit the zkey, an "p" was typed etc. That way, he could build pylons without having to reach across the keyboard. Most of the builing hotkeys were on the left side of the keyboard, and unit building was in the middle or something.
After those two, I was curious if anyone else had any kooky setup when they play Starcraft. The only odd thing I can think if is that I prefer that tiny ball-mouse that comes with the computer as opposed to an optical mouse.
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Norway28716 Posts
I listen to music and my speed depends on the speed of the music.
if im listening to something relaxed im more likely to try some fancy strats and shit and if im listening to something speedy then im more likely to just try to outmacro my opponent and click a whole lot and be really fast (compared to what's normal for me anyway..  )
also I think not playing with sound on for 2 years made me a much better player as I constantly watch the minimap.
oh, and I usually have my feet vertically and im not really sitting on my chair, instead I prefer to just lie down combining my chair with a couch/my computer.
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SleepingDrone, can you find out how he did it ? changing the hotkeys..
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i'm also interested in seeing how you can rebind hotkeys in starcraft.
btw sleepingdrone, you forgot to mention my trackball is optical O_O!
in a huge guide for players that i'm writing when i retire, i include pros and cons of everything.
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Even I dont know any software that can allow key mapping for DX , there must be one. The ladder speed stuff is a lot harder to do
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Canada398 Posts
I use an optical mouse and a standard cheap keyboard ($10)
I always play with music, never without. I hate starcraft music/sounds:p
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
I play with my keyboard on the desk and there's a pullout drawer right under the desk where keyboard sits that my mouse is on. So basically when I play my right hand is above my left hand. I had to switch that up for wcg tho.
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actually, i believe binding ur keys is considered cheating. Since in all tourny rules, you have to use the standard setup. I dont think they even let you bind shit to ur mouse, even though i do. I use ctrl for the back left, and shift for the back right. I find that quite useful. But changing keys on the keyboard, i would assume with high degree of certainty, that it's considered cheating. Since you can't do it at wcg, or any other tournament. Why use it and then have to switch back once the game is "for real" and it actually means something, its not good to change shit --a
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hm interesting lumberjack
sleepingdrone you sure u saw someone do that at wcg? was it legit? did they allow it? i WOULD think it to be cheating, so it makes me have second thoughts about rebinding my shit, since it'll be pointless if i go to a tournament.
it WOULD be so useful.
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rekrul how u play is how i used to play, and it made playing at wcg really hard for me.
BTW drone what u said about listening to music and the speed of the music is the exact same for me ;P
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it would help so much especially because the protoss hotkeys are rediculously tedious to use. my left hand is tired from flying around the keyboard after my games between p b and arrow keys its quite nuts
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I have seen so many CounterStrike players rebind there keys @ tourneys, of course this in done.
What about left handed players ? The dont use the default a,w,s,d for moving, but they use the arrow keys and the enter to reload instead of the default 'r', just because its much easier.
Seems logical to me they allow this in tourneys, even for StarCraft.
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I have a keyboard drawer like rekrul's, except it has fallen off of the desk, so I keep it on my knees, and I have a chair with 3 phone books stacked to keep my mouse at the same height. Ghetto? =]. At least I didn't have to have it on the left side like naz :O
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Hafe-Life:Counterstrike is COMPLETEY DIFFERENT from bw in every aspect of gaming, as fifa soccer is different from mario, and duke nukem 3d s from warcraft 3. For CS they have "config files" such as autoexec.cfg and config.cfg. Both save your settngs for whatever keys that u have. CS is completely customizable and its ALL up to the user for whatever command they want. Just about every single aspect in the game of cs is changeable and quite legal. For bw, they have a standard to make it "equal". It makes it more like chess that way, inthat both players really have an equal chance of winning. You dont have things like FPS, clmdupdate, v_sync, blah blah. "rate", whatever. With bw all we can adjust legally is the latency, and other various small things like sounds. There are no config files for bw, and any changes that you make with binding keys aren't very transferable. Since you'd have to dl that program at wcg/any tourny and CHANGE their settings, of which most dont even have internet. You can always save it to a disk (which is what cs players do with config files), but cs files are legal and binding keys aren't. So it would take quite a bit of work just to get the same setup. For me, i was just lucky that they had the same mouse drivers for my mouse on their comps at both wcg's. I remember dudey having to beg the organizer to let him install his drivers for his mouse, and he finally let him do it with like the final 8 or something ;\. So i'd stray away from this stuff, inthat its not healthy, moral, or compatable, but then again hacks are compatable with tournies and alot of people use them ;\.
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the rebinding of keys in counterstrike has to do with it being a game feature. Thats not the case in BW.
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I'm left handed, but I use the basic right handed set up. In fact, I use the same set up as Rekrul : Keyboard on desk, mouse on pullout drawer. If I have both on top the desk is too crowded, if I have both on bottom I can't find my keys.
Do I listen to music? Hell yeah. Joe Satriani, Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, basically music that has super fast guitarists playing their hearts out.
Of course, that hasn't helped me 
I suck worse then a cheap obese geriatric whore in Japan 
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Haha Jamers, nice. Misca Counter-Strike the game itself allows you to change keys as you please so I think they intended to allow you to do that so in Tournaments it's fine but Starcraft is much different seeing as how much of the game is building using the keyboard and mouse opposed to Counter-Strike where they are used for motions to compare them is just idiotic, and left handed players can have left handed mice and their own keyboards and such.
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MURICA15980 Posts
anything that'll give you the competitive edge that your opponent does not have "standard" should be illegal.
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Hotkeys are not changeable for one reason: Blizzard had other shit to do. Hotkeys are changeable in AoK and AoM and Empire Earth and every other RTS that has come out. Using a key remapper is a wee bit ghetto way of accomplishing this as you have to make sure every key you change something to is not being used for SOMETHING ELSE=[. If hotkeys were changeable in SC without the use of a key remapper, you could do great easy things like probe create hotkey being S, or something comfortably on the left side... lefthanded players could map shit completely to their comfort zone. Alas, this is not doable=[. I dont think key remapping is in ANYWAY cheating, and every tournament I have played in has gotten the OK.
LumberJack: Sasson did not let me install mouse drivers until the final 8 for time reasons. ONce we were in the final8 we could all stay on the same computer, so there wouldn't be time spent uninstalling shit after the game was done. They also gave me the OK to use a key remapper one round EARLIER in the tournament than my mouse drivers,because the program runs directly off CD and does not require reboot etc etc.
For some reason or another, the key remapper didnt'w ork on the computers in Dallas (and I played a very poor terran without my keys changed  . That's why I have quit using it :[. Anyone who wants to risk it has my blessing 100% and I think changeable hotkeys are really needed in BW... I'm not just willing to risk, at this point, needing siege mode triggered by Q and entering a tournament where my remapper doesn't work :[
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In response to LumberJack's really long statement about CS binding keys, i have to say that you must be the most ignorant person alive =[.
For all tournaments there is a REQUIRED cfg file with which players MUST play (such as the CPL cfg used in CPL). The ONLY thing which players can change is the key bindings. Commands such as cmd_updaterate, rate, ex_interp etc are not allowed to be changed. Only binding keys may may be changed =[. Therefore, both starcraft and counterstrike are similar in the sense that very limited numbers of commands may be changed, such as key binding and mouse setup. Please stop posting messages of things about which you are ignorant.
And by the way, i'm pretty sure I remember that it was ilnp who changed his keys at WCG 2001, For those who have been asking.
And ilnp did not make it to the final 8 at WCG 2001 =[.
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ilnp, in post above, didn't mean to offend your skills or anything. I know you are talented player. Also, i was confused about you not being in top 8. I thought lumberjack was talking about WCG 2001, not the dallas WCG. Sorry for mistake ^_^
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10$ keybaord and mouse, always have tv on and usually my 3 year old daughter sittin on my lap hittin the keyboard -_-
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On January 03 2003 01:16 Klogon wrote:
anything that'll give you the competitive edge that your opponent does not have "standard" should be illegal.
damn does this mean i have to shut 1 eye when playing yomer?
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er, sleepnigdrone, just b/c you didn't understand what i was saying or refering to doesn't make me ignorant. I'm a CAL-M player, so i know wtf i'm talking about. I was refering to the game in a general sense when i was talking about performance commands, and i am well aware of the standard cfgs set in place by CAL, CPL, and the WWCL checker. The point of my post was that the "game" is customizable, and that the keybinds and hotkeys for all the commands are changeable and allowable in tournament play. The reason they set a standard on the performance settings is to allow a more level competition playing field, since all the comps are the same at cpl, and with cal it just makes it a bit more even, since its all online. Plz dont flame me b/c you dont understand something i said or the meaning behind it, think of my goal for the post. I didn't go into specifics of the cfgs, b/c no one cares. have a good day
dudey: honestly though, i dont really have an opinion on whether blizzard should of made it customizable, but i think if they did, that bw would be a better game. But b/c its not standard and by you having Q as seige mode is a pretty high advantage over your opponent, i dont think it's fair, and if sasson or whatever his name was, really understood the overall competitiveness of bw, and the wcg rules, he wouldn't of allowed you to do it or attempt it(since it didn't work).
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LJ:
It's unfair that I have a Func mousepad and other people don't. It's unfair that I know how to cut out the default acceleration in Windows XP and refine my mouse drivers. It's unfair that I took the time/money to obtain a good keyboard.
It's not my fault other people are not interested in getting their interface in order. Keyboard remappers are the keyboard equivalent of mouse drivers.
p.s. sasson (the arab guy who was more or less in charge of the gamefixx tournaments) is well aware of the competitiveness of bw & i talked with him extensively about it. when I asked if I could use the program and he asked what it did and I said, he said "You can't do that through the game? That's weird."
If I had a Dvorak keyboard, would I not be allowed to use it? What if I took a day to resolder the circuits so my keyboard was remapped from a hardware standpoint (this would work on all computers easily since no software would be necessary). What about that?
Again it's unfair as most people don't know how to do it, but it's not that hard. People just need to get off their ass and FIGURE IT THE FUCK OUT.
Just because *I* can do something that most people don't bother to learn* to do doesn't mean it shouldn't be fucking allowed. I mean, jesus.. that's the most ludicrous argument ever=[
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er, I have no opinion. I told you that i think it would make bw a better game, i'm just saying that one of the reasons its there is to allow a standard and make the game more even. Same as in Nascar racing, where u have very specific rules. Its not ludicrous to take the notion that its there to generalize and standardize parts of the game, b/c that is one aspect of it, whether you chose to believe in it or not, its still there. Thats all i'm saying, in that, since blizzard doesn't allow you to change the hotkeys, you shouldn't remap the keyboards, regardless if there are many ways around it, by rewiring your keyboard, or using programs. And just b/c we chose to not cheat the system doesn't make us ignorant about how we can, it makes us moral. Ask naz/mesnrea about remapping in korea and if it's used. I've never had this discussion with anyone else, so i have no real fact to base it on, but just on my understanding of the game and competition idealism, i'd say with high certainty that you can't do it there.
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My opinion about rebinding keys and all that...Blizzard should have included a feature to let you change the keys, and yes everyone should have the right to do it.
HOWEVER in the interest of keeping the game as "fair" as possible and on a level playing field, you shouldnt use it and in tournaments that matter...it shouldnt be allowed.
In the privacy of your home, basically you can do whatever the hell you want. We can't tell you how or how not to change your computer settings. But when you are in a tournament where you're not allowed to remap your keys, and in a critical moment you press Q to seige all your tanks, gl hf.
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Norway28716 Posts
is removing all the keys not used for bw cheating..?
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is using a 5 button mouse consider cheating?
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Sigh.
I'm done with this. This is pointless.
As a note, though: I'll use whatever the fuck input device I want whenever I play video games and whatever the fuck software controls it to get it to work how I want it to. Anyone who runs a tournament will ONLY vote against such a statement for TIME reasons.
I encourage anyone else to do the same.
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Oh and also, your comparisons to sports suck.
Are pro tennis players allowed to hold the racquet with two hands?
I know ping pong players can hold the racquet anyway they wish.
Basketball players can throw the ball at the hoop in whatever manner suits them.
the list goes on and on.
not being able to remap your keyboard is a ludicrous argument. it's not as if you go "ok my siege hotkey is Q yay". you have to change it, practice at it, get used to it, etc etc.
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any one have a good idea for good protoss key remaps
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On January 03 2003 03:04 XG3 wrote:
My opinion about rebinding keys and all that...Blizzard should have included a feature to let you change the keys, and yes everyone should have the right to do it.
HOWEVER in the interest of keeping the game as "fair" as possible and on a level playing field, you shouldnt use it and in tournaments that matter...it shouldnt be allowed.
In the privacy of your home, basically you can do whatever the hell you want. We can't tell you how or how not to change your computer settings. But when you are in a tournament where you're not allowed to remap your keys, and in a critical moment you press Q to seige all your tanks, gl hf.
You're right. No outside programs should be used.
Everyone should be forced to use the SAME generic piece of shit ball mouse with generic windows xp drivers with the same shitty keyboard and no ps2rate blah blah blah blah blah.
maybe i'm in a bad mood but you guys make me irate.
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On January 03 2003 03:17 Stim_Abuser wrote:
any one have a good idea for good protoss key remaps
unfortunately protoss is screwed. as far as the left side of the keyboard you can rebind X and Q (and the ` key) without disrupting anything else. I suggest you make change X or Q to P and make the other to whatever you wish +_+
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3 things: 1) hotkey remapping is allowed in wc3 by blizzard themselves! (called keycraft)
2) there was a prog called doxstar, dont which does the same for bw, dont know whether it still works though
3) about blizz hotkey policy: i heard some ppl are playing with the german version of sc because terran hotkeys are better. The way blizzard chose the hotkeys has nothing to do with some kind of creating an option to have skill, they are just meant to be customer friendly (customer being the typical "got it for xmas" single player newb, the german translator said: "it was very difficult to find fitting hotkeys for everything, no suprise that they arent comfortable"
btw thats what counterstrike binds would look like if blizzard couldve done it:
walk: w
forward : f
left: l
right: r
... i guess u got the point
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At WCG,the germans brought their own versions of SC,enough said .
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"fair" means that both players play under the same conditions. using doxstar gives a player a HUGE advantage (just ask chojja how he would feel if some guy was twice as fast as him on the keyboard just because he downloaded a small program) and is UNFAIR.
that has NOTHING to do with all that shit about drivers and mice! yes, having a better mouse or a better monitor IS UNFAIR, but saying "oh, the game isnt perfectly fair, so i'm allowed to make everything i want no matter how unfair it is" is just plain stupid.
nuff said
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My god, just play the game, you guys are taking it all waaayy to seriously, just play and have fun...
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Id use "cough" someones "cough" quote on u twisted. Theres nothing fun about this game when your giving your best period.
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Hm.. in serious games like WGTour, I always try my best, BUT, the fact that you all need special equipment to play a game like Broodwar, that seems stupid to me. Just to improve your play a LITTLE bit, by reassigning your keys, who cares about that
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This post has nothing to with topic..
Some old Q2 players did some pretty cool stuff with the config.
You guys have all seen One of those wheels, and pedals that you use to play games liek, need for speed, formula 1 and so on..
Anyways if you've ever played quake then you know you strafe alot, and bunny jump, meaning whilst jumping up and down you hit left - right - left - right and so on.
This guy took the pedals and did it with them.. I thought that was pretty cool.
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Norway28716 Posts
kek
in quake1 everyone had binds for stuff like quickgrenade and quickshaft..
(which basically meant that say, you were using the rocketlauncher, then you pressed "y" and then you threw one grenade then went back to rocketlauncher.. or "u" for starting to fire with shaft and then once you let go of the u you went back to rocketlauncher..
using a key for speedjumping sounds too extreme tho. :[
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You all have it pretty nice ROFL
I have a 12 inch monitor 1 speak other one is broken 3 Feet long desk
imagine that? i get lagged atleast once in every game for about 10 sec
no one else feels it but me its my comp lag i have emachine keyboard
microsoft mouse energy monitor studio Altec speaker compaq comp everything is mixed now thats ghetto TT
oh ya and my old keyboard if i take a pic of it i swear no one will bilieve i played with that for 6 month my shift bar is spacebar i had
to remove 1 of my shift buttons to my spacebar area cause my shift
was broken i had to remove a lot of other keys cause they were starting to jam each other TT
well thats all i got to say ya ya i am to lazy for . , " ! ? TT
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France1270 Posts
agreed with ilnp.
- the shortcut letters on k-board change depending on the SC language, so in international tournements anyone should be able to play with his "home" version not to disadvantge no-english speaking newb, right?! So anyone should be able to play with the language he wants... well everybody understand that's nuts, and since it's much easier to allow players to install a small remapping soft this should be done.
- if you can't install your software in tournements but can bring your mouse and k-board, then just change your k-board on the hardware way as ilnp said. And if you're getting faster than Chojja this way, good for you then. What is the point?
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On January 04 2003 17:46 MadcoW wrote:
You all have it pretty nice ROFL
I have a 12 inch monitor 1 speak other one is broken 3 Feet long desk
imagine that? i get lagged atleast once in every game for about 10 sec
no one else feels it but me its my comp lag i have emachine keyboard
microsoft mouse energy monitor studio Altec speaker compaq comp everything is mixed now thats ghetto TT
oh ya and my old keyboard if i take a pic of it i swear no one will bilieve i played with that for 6 month my shift bar is spacebar i had
to remove 1 of my shift buttons to my spacebar area cause my shift
was broken i had to remove a lot of other keys cause they were starting to jam each other TT
well thats all i got to say ya ya i am to lazy for . , " ! ? TT
lol no wonder you're frustrated sometimes ;0
dude that sucks, it must be possible for you to replace a keyboard tho :/
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Definitely, you can get a decent soft touch, ceciro internet keyboard for $20 canadian o.O
Im running on a Logitech Elite Keyboard, $80, got for xmas
and
Logitech MX-500 Optical Mosue, $80, bought with xmas money.
Yes I take them both to tournaments because im too used to the shape of them both. I can probably survive wtih another keyboard but the MX-500 is shaped in such a way that i couldn't use many other mice. It affects my play when my friend's get me to play at their house o.O
FrEaK
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Am I the only person who thinks what madcow has just written is a provocation?
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I dont know but before WCG I had a 14` monitor,half broken keyboard,and a celeron 333 working worse than it should,even bw was lagging cause of it.But that's not so much of a problem if ure used to it...Only tvz sux because it requires a lot of speed.Now I have a perfect computer and I don't feel any better.
Well I don't think 12` monitor exists,so I think so too .
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Asta how do you explain that blizzard allowed keycraft for wc3?
And why then is the (possible)disadvantage a certain language version brings accepted?
u bw dickheads just are too much in love with what u think is "skill" -handling the keyboard.. why dont u play one of those dancing games if u want to hop around? rts arent about how fast u move ur hands about the keyboard but about thinking.
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the MX500 gives me such a hardon, they are selling them for 50$ now, god i want one :O They are mainly for FPS though, since they are so heavy, its not "that" suitable for bw, still doable, but they are heavy and insanely accurate. Which is why its the #1 cs mouse :O I want a func pad or something sleek like that, everglide, something i dunno. I want one :O My microsoft intellimouse optical, with 5button was the shit 2yrs ago, but technology has changed. My mouse has a 1,500fps rate, new mouse are around 6-8,000fps.
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i have a pullout drawer like rekrul but my mouse is at the same height as the keyboard. but i have a wide chair so i actually put my arm under my armrest and reach around to use the mouse. it sounds weird but its really comfortable.
music is always a big plus =-p i'm like liquid drone, my gameplay is effected by the music i listen too.
but as for redoing the hotkeys, i wouldn't be able to get used to it. i'm used to the defaults that are given, and since i'm a lefty i really don't have a lot of trouble. but im a z player and i gotta stretch to make ol's. 
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mx500 is the best fps mouse for sure.
i use mx300 since i don't really like the excess weight and shape.
if i needed more then 3 buttons i would use it tho.
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* Well, I'm a new user and I can't create threads so I bump this allthough the thread is quite old.
In my opinion people who say that using tools to modify hotkeys means hacking are ridiculous... yet they compare these tools to maphack or dischack. How come they are used in War3 and many other RTS games? Are they all hackers? Blizzard didn't have time/interest to create this feature for bw, that's it.
I also heard some guys here saying that pros don't use modified hotkeys. That's a lie. They use them in on way or another. Many progamers use the german version of the game. Boxer uses a modified keyboard for terran. Even if it's not allowed in a competition, you can always switch for example u with r (for faster lurker burrow and ultralisks prod) in windows, to almost achieve the same result.
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Hotkey modifying is considered illegal in online play because it is illegal in LAN. Whether people say it's hacking or equivalent to hacking is irrelevant. It still remains true that it's cheating and is illegal. Whatever other games do is irrelevant to BW's rules. BW has already established rules that work and make for healthy competitive play. There is no outcry for modifying hotkeys among professionals or fans. Besides, it is likely that everyone would use the same obvious setup and there would be no change in competitive play except everything would be a little easier to do. That's a very bad thing. If it added strategical depth, like different systems having different strengths, then that'd be a possible redeeming quality, but it still would not be worth the overall easier gameplay that custom hotkeys would provide.
There are no professional BW players who use the German version of the game. Boxer did not change hotkeys; he only physically removed useless keys from his keyboard.
Yes you can get away with modifying your hotkeys if that's all you ever play is online competitions. But online-only players get minimal respect and minimal prize money so it's not worth much.
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On March 25 2008 03:22 ZergPowerrr wrote:
I also heard some guys here saying that pros don't use modified hotkeys.
They don't.
On March 25 2008 03:22 ZergPowerrr wrote:
Many progamers use the german version of the game.
wut
On March 25 2008 03:22 ZergPowerrr wrote:
Boxer uses a modified keyboard
So does every progamer ever.
What exactly are you trying to say here
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like wooden tennis rackets. THey added so much strategic dept. It's a shame they aren't obliged.
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On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Hotkey modifying is considered illegal in online play because it is illegal in LAN. Whether people say it's hacking or equivalent to hacking is irrelevant. It still remains true that it's cheating and is illegal. Whatever other games do is irrelevant to BW's rules.
It is illegal in LAN because it's only allowed to modify config files. Since bw is old, it doesn't have this facility and blizzard is too lazy to change anything... (see above discussion).
Many things are irrelevant right? But the affirmation doesn't hold just because you say so. You have to bring some tougher arguments. You didn't say why it's cheating. You're just saying that ONLY in bw, such a feature is cheating, while in other games it is not. It just doesn't make sense...
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There is no outcry for modifying hotkeys among professionals or fans. Besides, it is likely that everyone would use the same obvious setup and there would be no change in competitive play except everything would be a little easier to do.
Despite what you said, many pros still use modified hotkeys in one way or another. Every second counts in high level games, it can be the difference between victory or defeat.
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There are no professional BW players who use the German version of the game. Boxer did not change hotkeys; he only physically removed useless keys from his keyboard.
You can't deny that! I'm too tired to find that piece of news where german players came with their own versions of the game at wcg, but if you're so insistent, I'll do it.
Do you really know exactly about the way boxer configured his keyboard? Nah, I don't think he swapped O with Q for instant siege mode...
On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Yes you can get away with modifying your hotkeys if that's all you ever play is online competitions. But online-only players get minimal respect and minimal prize money so it's not worth much.
I play bw for fun only. It's much more confortable to play with modified hotkeys.
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On March 25 2008 04:18 ZergPowerrr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Hotkey modifying is considered illegal in online play because it is illegal in LAN. Whether people say it's hacking or equivalent to hacking is irrelevant. It still remains true that it's cheating and is illegal. Whatever other games do is irrelevant to BW's rules.
It is illegal in LAN because it's only allowed to modify config files. Since bw is old, it doesn't have this facility and blizzard is too lazy to change anything... (see above discussion). Many things are irrelevant right? But the affirmation doesn't hold just because you say so. You have to bring some tougher arguments. You didn't say why it's cheating. You're just saying that ONLY in bw, such a feature is cheating, while in other games it is not. It just doesn't make sense... On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There is no outcry for modifying hotkeys among professionals or fans. Besides, it is likely that everyone would use the same obvious setup and there would be no change in competitive play except everything would be a little easier to do. Despite what you said, many pros still use modified hotkeys in one way or another. Every second counts in high level games, it can be the difference between victory or defeat. On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
There are no professional BW players who use the German version of the game. Boxer did not change hotkeys; he only physically removed useless keys from his keyboard.
You can't deny that! I'm too tired to find that piece of news where german players came with their own versions of the game at wcg, but if you're so insistent, I'll do it. Do you really know exactly about the way boxer configured his keyboard? Nah, I don't think he swapped O with Q for instant siege mode... On March 25 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
Yes you can get away with modifying your hotkeys if that's all you ever play is online competitions. But online-only players get minimal respect and minimal prize money so it's not worth much. I play bw for fun only. It's much more confortable to play with modified hotkeys.
German players at WCG are a far, far cry from Korean pros. Whenever the word "pro" is used in relation to BW, it's assumed to mean Korean progamers, not high level foreigners.
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The only way progamers can modify their setup is through driver settings and the actual IRL keyboard/mouse, many progamers have taken buttons like F1 and other useless keys so they aren't in the way, but using different ingame hotkeys is banned on korean professional leagues.
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What's your tough argument why what other games do IS relevant to what BW does? Whatever your arguments are, it's a simple fact that BW rules do not revolve around other games. All of professional BW is located in Korea and is governed by KeSPA. Hotkey modifying is simply not allowed. As you get into amateur competition, which encompasses all non-Korean competition, you'll find departures from the rules that professionals follow, just as you would in other sport. Any organizer of an amateur event is free to set any rules they want since they are not governed by an entity like professional leagues in Korea are by KeSPA. For a standard of BW rules, you must look to KeSPA. If you want to give credence to the scattered and often poorly run amateur sector, then you can research and find that allowing custom hotkeys is still incredibly rare or non-existant in that realm. The official and unofficial standards agree that modifying hotkeys is not allowed.
Again, no professional BW players use modified hotkeys. You might be referring to professional players of other games and if that's the case, then I repeat that what other games do is irrelevant. Each game must decide its own set of rules. There cannot be a set of rules that governs every game.
WCG is an amateur event.
I don't understand why you're telling me what you personally do. If you're the only person you care about, and you're a casual player, then what do you care about the rules of competitions? If you're not the only person you care about, then why do you bother saying what you personally do? If you're only doing it for your own comfort, why do you care that competitive players disprove of it? You will forever have the disapproval of the competitive BW community.
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Thanks for your info. I'm relatively new to bw as I quitted playing war3. That's why I found the rule weird and obsolete.
Why do I care? I can't understand why are you asking this...This is supposed to be a forum, and we're supposed to talk. Why do you care about sport news or celebrity news? Though you're still watching them.
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[edit] liosama wins this thread.
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On March 25 2008 04:18 ZergPowerrr wrote:
many pros still use modified hotkeys in one way or another. Every second counts in high level games, it can be the difference between victory or defeat.
On March 25 2008 05:15 ZergPowerrr wrote:
I'm relatively new to bw as I quitted playing war3.
haha, I like how you tell NonY what counts in high level games. You know that you are discussing with one of the top foreign protosses?
And credits to nony for manners. When I read the first long reply by zergpowerrr i was sure there would a page or two of flame and drama. Such disappointment... Anyways, this is why NonY didnt win the asshole thread.
Ontopic I consider hotkey modifications cheating. It is not built in the game, and any extra help should not be allowed, unless both players agree otherwise.
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Yes, I know he's an experienced and old player, from what he told me above. GL to him.
I didn't say I'm new to RTS. I played some high level war3 matches before.
Ever heard of netiquette? Well, stop teasing me now!
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ok, so I obviously didnt read the replies careful enough. sorry about that.
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Oh shit, I'm going to use that key rebinding thing.
I hate being left handed most of the time. As for a mouse, it's impossible to find a left handed mouse, so I just go with an ambidextrous one. Right now I'm using a razer copperhead, and an eMachines keyboard. I also need a huuuuuuge mousepad to play. Mine is about the size of when you hold two pieces of paper together.
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I used modified hotkeys twice at WCG and in other lans, it has never come close to be a problem. Just because my build probe is A instead of P, is that cheating?
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i use wireless keyboard, optical razor mouse and have drum n bass on most of the times
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Speaking of badly run tournaments, we had a LAN with Starcraft at the uni and they did it with 4 player FFAs on Blood Bath on Vanilla SC. I wanted to cry. I had spent so much time preparing to play 1v1 on pro-maps, but I was eliminated in the third round.
My friend playing with one hand and about 40 apm made it to the final round by mass battlecruisers every game, until the Koreans smashed his face into the ground. That made me feel a little better, but not really.
Somebody should tell those chobos that FFA isn't a real game mode, and to get Brood War for chissakes.
oh yes, and my mouse and mousepad
Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0. I had an old one from my friend's Alienware (he bough a G5) and I liked it so much I bought another. It's very fine accuracy and fits comfortably into my admittedly big hands. The best part about it is the stiffness of the scroll wheel. Usually I find them too loose, and using it to change weapons doesn't work because i always scroll too much. This one I know exactly how many clicks I'm getting.
And while I'm at it, I use the Steelpad G5. This pad is lovely! it's smooth as ice, but when I depress gently, it grips the mouse harder and I can use it for minute accuracy. It's also gigantic. That suited me better in my Counter-Strike days when the wide berth meant I could do a 360 degree turn without lifting my mouse. For Starcraft, the size is a little bit unnecessary, since I use hotkeys and the minimap to go distances instead of mouse scrolling.
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5 dollar keyboard 8 dollar optical mouse on a pull out drower under my desk. But my keyboard and mouse woudnlt fit enough so i have my keyboard on a peice of wood as an extention to teh pull out drower so i have enoug space for my mouse
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ii must post this for i am the rekrul of computer gaming setups
in game though, one screen has a picture of the map layout of the map im currently playing
im the best, i have the best computer out of all TL and whenever girls come to my room they like me cause of my 3 monitors which are flat CRT, oh yeah
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