"fair" means that both players play under the same conditions. using doxstar gives a player a HUGE advantage (just ask chojja how he would feel if some guy was twice as fast as him on the keyboard just because he downloaded a small program) and is UNFAIR.
that has NOTHING to do with all that shit about drivers and mice! yes, having a better mouse or a better monitor IS UNFAIR, but saying "oh, the game isnt perfectly fair, so i'm allowed to make everything i want no matter how unfair it is" is just plain stupid.

nuff said

iD.Twisted

Netherlands3102 Posts

January 03 2003 19:05 GMT

#43

My god, just play the game, you guys are taking it all waaayy to seriously, just play and have fun...

NoNameLoser

United States1508 Posts

January 03 2003 21:01 GMT

#44

Id use "cough" someones "cough" quote on u twisted. Theres nothing fun about this game when your giving your best period.

iD.Twisted

Netherlands3102 Posts

January 04 2003 04:28 GMT

#45

Hm.. in serious games like WGTour, I always try my best, BUT, the fact that you all need special equipment to play a game like Broodwar, that seems stupid to me. Just to improve your play a LITTLE bit, by reassigning your keys, who cares about that

roCh

Sweden870 Posts

January 04 2003 06:49 GMT

#46

This post has nothing to with topic..
Some old Q2 players did some pretty cool stuff with the config.

You guys have all seen One of those wheels, and pedals that you use to play games liek, need for speed, formula 1 and so on..

Anyways if you've ever played quake then you know you strafe alot, and bunny jump, meaning whilst jumping up and down you hit left - right - left - right and so on.

This guy took the pedals and did it with them.. I thought that was pretty cool.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28889 Posts

January 04 2003 07:38 GMT

#47

kek
in quake1 everyone had binds for stuff like quickgrenade and quickshaft..
(which basically meant that say, you were using the rocketlauncher, then you pressed "y" and then you threw one grenade then went back to rocketlauncher.. or "u" for starting to fire with shaft and then once you let go of the u you went back to rocketlauncher..

using a key for speedjumping sounds too extreme tho. :[

MadcoW

United States96 Posts

January 04 2003 08:46 GMT

#48

You all have it pretty nice ROFL

I have a 12 inch monitor 1 speak other one is broken 3 Feet long desk
imagine that? i get lagged atleast once in every game for about 10 sec
no one else feels it but me its my comp lag i have emachine keyboard
microsoft mouse energy monitor studio Altec speaker compaq comp everything is mixed now thats ghetto TT
oh ya and my old keyboard if i take a pic of it i swear no one will bilieve i played with that for 6 month my shift bar is spacebar i had
to remove 1 of my shift buttons to my spacebar area cause my shift
was broken i had to remove a lot of other keys cause they were starting to jam each other TT
well thats all i got to say ya ya i am to lazy for . , " ! ? TT

X)Benny

France1270 Posts

January 04 2003 09:19 GMT

#49

agreed with ilnp.
- the shortcut letters on k-board change depending on the SC language, so in international tournements anyone should be able to play with his "home" version not to disadvantge no-english speaking newb, right?! So anyone should be able to play with the language he wants... well everybody understand that's nuts, and since it's much easier to allow players to install a small remapping soft this should be done.
- if you can't install your software in tournements but can bring your mouse and k-board, then just change your k-board on the hardware way as ilnp said. And if you're getting faster than Chojja this way, good for you then. What is the point?

Liquid`Spy

Netherlands1301 Posts

January 04 2003 12:08 GMT

#50

On January 04 2003 17:46 MadcoW wrote:
You all have it pretty nice ROFL

I have a 12 inch monitor 1 speak other one is broken 3 Feet long desk
imagine that? i get lagged atleast once in every game for about 10 sec
no one else feels it but me its my comp lag i have emachine keyboard
microsoft mouse energy monitor studio Altec speaker compaq comp everything is mixed now thats ghetto TT
oh ya and my old keyboard if i take a pic of it i swear no one will bilieve i played with that for 6 month my shift bar is spacebar i had
to remove 1 of my shift buttons to my spacebar area cause my shift
was broken i had to remove a lot of other keys cause they were starting to jam each other TT
well thats all i got to say ya ya i am to lazy for . , " ! ? TT

lol no wonder you're frustrated sometimes ;0
dude that sucks, it must be possible for you to replace a keyboard tho :/

FrEaK[S.sIR]

2373 Posts

January 04 2003 13:14 GMT

#51

Definitely, you can get a decent soft touch, ceciro internet keyboard for $20 canadian o.O

Im running on a Logitech Elite Keyboard, $80, got for xmas
and
Logitech MX-500 Optical Mosue, $80, bought with xmas money.

Yes I take them both to tournaments because im too used to the shape of them both. I can probably survive wtih another keyboard but the MX-500 is shaped in such a way that i couldn't use many other mice. It affects my play when my friend's get me to play at their house o.O

FrEaK

tomson

Poland641 Posts

January 04 2003 13:28 GMT

#52

Am I the only person who thinks what madcow has just written is a provocation?

Beast_Bg

Bulgaria1623 Posts

January 04 2003 14:38 GMT

#53

I dont know but before WCG I had a 14` monitor,half broken keyboard,and a celeron 333 working worse than it should,even bw was lagging cause of it.But that's not so much of a problem if ure used to it...Only tvz sux because it requires a lot of speed.Now I have a perfect computer and I don't feel any better.

Well I don't think 12` monitor exists,so I think so too

Macrophage

Germany730 Posts

January 04 2003 15:12 GMT

#54

Asta how do you explain that blizzard allowed keycraft for wc3?
And why then is the (possible)disadvantage a certain language version brings accepted?
u bw dickheads just are too much in love with what u think is "skill" -handling the keyboard.. why dont u play one of those dancing games if u want to hop around? rts arent about how fast u move ur hands about the keyboard but about thinking.

LumberJack

United States3355 Posts

January 04 2003 16:08 GMT

#55

the MX500 gives me such a hardon, they are selling them for 50$ now, god i want one :O They are mainly for FPS though, since they are so heavy, its not "that" suitable for bw, still doable, but they are heavy and insanely accurate. Which is why its the #1 cs mouse :O I want a func pad or something sleek like that, everglide, something i dunno. I want one :O My microsoft intellimouse optical, with 5button was the shit 2yrs ago, but technology has changed. My mouse has a 1,500fps rate, new mouse are around 6-8,000fps.

koomann

United States97 Posts

January 04 2003 16:20 GMT

#56

i have a pullout drawer like rekrul but my mouse is at the same height as the keyboard. but i have a wide chair so i actually put my arm under my armrest and reach around to use the mouse. it sounds weird but its really comfortable.

music is always a big plus =-p i'm like liquid drone, my gameplay is effected by the music i listen too.

but as for redoing the hotkeys, i wouldn't be able to get used to it. i'm used to the defaults that are given, and since i'm a lefty i really don't have a lot of trouble. but im a z player and i gotta stretch to make ol's.

Casper...

Liberia4948 Posts

January 04 2003 16:50 GMT

#57

mx500 is the best fps mouse for sure.
i use mx300 since i don't really like the excess weight and shape.

if i needed more then 3 buttons i would use it tho.

ZergPowerrr

20 Posts

March 24 2008 18:22 GMT

#58

* Well, I'm a new user and I can't create threads so I bump this allthough the thread is quite old.

In my opinion people who say that using tools to modify hotkeys means hacking are ridiculous... yet they compare these tools to maphack or dischack. How come they are used in War3 and many other RTS games? Are they all hackers? Blizzard didn't have time/interest to create this feature for bw, that's it.
I also heard some guys here saying that pros don't use modified hotkeys. That's a lie. They use them in on way or another. Many progamers use the german version of the game. Boxer uses a modified keyboard for terran. Even if it's not allowed in a competition, you can always switch for example u with r (for faster lurker burrow and ultralisks prod) in windows, to almost achieve the same result.

NonY

8751 Posts

March 24 2008 18:43 GMT

#59

Hotkey modifying is considered illegal in online play because it is illegal in LAN. Whether people say it's hacking or equivalent to hacking is irrelevant. It still remains true that it's cheating and is illegal. Whatever other games do is irrelevant to BW's rules. BW has already established rules that work and make for healthy competitive play. There is no outcry for modifying hotkeys among professionals or fans. Besides, it is likely that everyone would use the same obvious setup and there would be no change in competitive play except everything would be a little easier to do. That's a very bad thing. If it added strategical depth, like different systems having different strengths, then that'd be a possible redeeming quality, but it still would not be worth the overall easier gameplay that custom hotkeys would provide.

There are no professional BW players who use the German version of the game. Boxer did not change hotkeys; he only physically removed useless keys from his keyboard.

Yes you can get away with modifying your hotkeys if that's all you ever play is online competitions. But online-only players get minimal respect and minimal prize money so it's not worth much.