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Hotkeys are not changeable for one reason: Blizzard had other shit to do. Hotkeys are changeable in AoK and AoM and Empire Earth and every other RTS that has come out. Using a key remapper is a wee bit ghetto way of accomplishing this as you have to make sure every key you change something to is not being used for SOMETHING ELSE=[. If hotkeys were changeable in SC without the use of a key remapper, you could do great easy things like probe create hotkey being S, or something comfortably on the left side... lefthanded players could map shit completely to their comfort zone. Alas, this is not doable=[. I dont think key remapping is in ANYWAY cheating, and every tournament I have played in has gotten the OK.
LumberJack: Sasson did not let me install mouse drivers until the final 8 for time reasons. ONce we were in the final8 we could all stay on the same computer, so there wouldn't be time spent uninstalling shit after the game was done. They also gave me the OK to use a key remapper one round EARLIER in the tournament than my mouse drivers,because the program runs directly off CD and does not require reboot etc etc.
For some reason or another, the key remapper didnt'w ork on the computers in Dallas (and I played a very poor terran without my keys changed  . That's why I have quit using it :[. Anyone who wants to risk it has my blessing 100% and I think changeable hotkeys are really needed in BW... I'm not just willing to risk, at this point, needing siege mode triggered by Q and entering a tournament where my remapper doesn't work :[
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In response to LumberJack's really long statement about CS binding keys, i have to say that you must be the most ignorant person alive =[.
For all tournaments there is a REQUIRED cfg file with which players MUST play (such as the CPL cfg used in CPL). The ONLY thing which players can change is the key bindings. Commands such as cmd_updaterate, rate, ex_interp etc are not allowed to be changed. Only binding keys may may be changed =[. Therefore, both starcraft and counterstrike are similar in the sense that very limited numbers of commands may be changed, such as key binding and mouse setup. Please stop posting messages of things about which you are ignorant.
And by the way, i'm pretty sure I remember that it was ilnp who changed his keys at WCG 2001, For those who have been asking.
And ilnp did not make it to the final 8 at WCG 2001 =[.
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ilnp, in post above, didn't mean to offend your skills or anything. I know you are talented player. Also, i was confused about you not being in top 8. I thought lumberjack was talking about WCG 2001, not the dallas WCG. Sorry for mistake ^_^
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10$ keybaord and mouse, always have tv on and usually my 3 year old daughter sittin on my lap hittin the keyboard -_-
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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On January 03 2003 01:16 Klogon wrote:
anything that'll give you the competitive edge that your opponent does not have "standard" should be illegal.
damn does this mean i have to shut 1 eye when playing yomer?
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er, sleepnigdrone, just b/c you didn't understand what i was saying or refering to doesn't make me ignorant. I'm a CAL-M player, so i know wtf i'm talking about. I was refering to the game in a general sense when i was talking about performance commands, and i am well aware of the standard cfgs set in place by CAL, CPL, and the WWCL checker. The point of my post was that the "game" is customizable, and that the keybinds and hotkeys for all the commands are changeable and allowable in tournament play. The reason they set a standard on the performance settings is to allow a more level competition playing field, since all the comps are the same at cpl, and with cal it just makes it a bit more even, since its all online. Plz dont flame me b/c you dont understand something i said or the meaning behind it, think of my goal for the post. I didn't go into specifics of the cfgs, b/c no one cares. have a good day 
dudey: honestly though, i dont really have an opinion on whether blizzard should of made it customizable, but i think if they did, that bw would be a better game. But b/c its not standard and by you having Q as seige mode is a pretty high advantage over your opponent, i dont think it's fair, and if sasson or whatever his name was, really understood the overall competitiveness of bw, and the wcg rules, he wouldn't of allowed you to do it or attempt it(since it didn't work).
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LJ:
It's unfair that I have a Func mousepad and other people don't. It's unfair that I know how to cut out the default acceleration in Windows XP and refine my mouse drivers. It's unfair that I took the time/money to obtain a good keyboard.
It's not my fault other people are not interested in getting their interface in order. Keyboard remappers are the keyboard equivalent of mouse drivers.
p.s. sasson (the arab guy who was more or less in charge of the gamefixx tournaments) is well aware of the competitiveness of bw & i talked with him extensively about it. when I asked if I could use the program and he asked what it did and I said, he said "You can't do that through the game? That's weird."
If I had a Dvorak keyboard, would I not be allowed to use it? What if I took a day to resolder the circuits so my keyboard was remapped from a hardware standpoint (this would work on all computers easily since no software would be necessary). What about that?
Again it's unfair as most people don't know how to do it, but it's not that hard. People just need to get off their ass and FIGURE IT THE FUCK OUT.
Just because *I* can do something that most people don't bother to learn* to do doesn't mean it shouldn't be fucking allowed. I mean, jesus.. that's the most ludicrous argument ever=[
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er, I have no opinion. I told you that i think it would make bw a better game, i'm just saying that one of the reasons its there is to allow a standard and make the game more even. Same as in Nascar racing, where u have very specific rules. Its not ludicrous to take the notion that its there to generalize and standardize parts of the game, b/c that is one aspect of it, whether you chose to believe in it or not, its still there. Thats all i'm saying, in that, since blizzard doesn't allow you to change the hotkeys, you shouldn't remap the keyboards, regardless if there are many ways around it, by rewiring your keyboard, or using programs. And just b/c we chose to not cheat the system doesn't make us ignorant about how we can, it makes us moral. Ask naz/mesnrea about remapping in korea and if it's used. I've never had this discussion with anyone else, so i have no real fact to base it on, but just on my understanding of the game and competition idealism, i'd say with high certainty that you can't do it there.
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My opinion about rebinding keys and all that...Blizzard should have included a feature to let you change the keys, and yes everyone should have the right to do it.
HOWEVER in the interest of keeping the game as "fair" as possible and on a level playing field, you shouldnt use it and in tournaments that matter...it shouldnt be allowed.
In the privacy of your home, basically you can do whatever the hell you want. We can't tell you how or how not to change your computer settings. But when you are in a tournament where you're not allowed to remap your keys, and in a critical moment you press Q to seige all your tanks, gl hf.
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Norway28916 Posts
is removing all the keys not used for bw cheating..? 
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is using a 5 button mouse consider cheating?
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Sigh.
I'm done with this. This is pointless.
As a note, though: I'll use whatever the fuck input device I want whenever I play video games and whatever the fuck software controls it to get it to work how I want it to. Anyone who runs a tournament will ONLY vote against such a statement for TIME reasons.
I encourage anyone else to do the same.
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Oh and also, your comparisons to sports suck.
Are pro tennis players allowed to hold the racquet with two hands?
I know ping pong players can hold the racquet anyway they wish.
Basketball players can throw the ball at the hoop in whatever manner suits them.
the list goes on and on.
not being able to remap your keyboard is a ludicrous argument. it's not as if you go "ok my siege hotkey is Q yay". you have to change it, practice at it, get used to it, etc etc.
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any one have a good idea for good protoss key remaps
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On January 03 2003 03:04 XG3 wrote:
My opinion about rebinding keys and all that...Blizzard should have included a feature to let you change the keys, and yes everyone should have the right to do it.
HOWEVER in the interest of keeping the game as "fair" as possible and on a level playing field, you shouldnt use it and in tournaments that matter...it shouldnt be allowed.
In the privacy of your home, basically you can do whatever the hell you want. We can't tell you how or how not to change your computer settings. But when you are in a tournament where you're not allowed to remap your keys, and in a critical moment you press Q to seige all your tanks, gl hf.
You're right. No outside programs should be used.
Everyone should be forced to use the SAME generic piece of shit ball mouse with generic windows xp drivers with the same shitty keyboard and no ps2rate blah blah blah blah blah.
maybe i'm in a bad mood but you guys make me irate.
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On January 03 2003 03:17 Stim_Abuser wrote:
any one have a good idea for good protoss key remaps
unfortunately protoss is screwed. as far as the left side of the keyboard you can rebind X and Q (and the ` key) without disrupting anything else. I suggest you make change X or Q to P and make the other to whatever you wish +_+
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3 things: 1) hotkey remapping is allowed in wc3 by blizzard themselves! (called keycraft)
2) there was a prog called doxstar, dont which does the same for bw, dont know whether it still works though
3) about blizz hotkey policy: i heard some ppl are playing with the german version of sc because terran hotkeys are better. The way blizzard chose the hotkeys has nothing to do with some kind of creating an option to have skill, they are just meant to be customer friendly (customer being the typical "got it for xmas" single player newb, the german translator said: "it was very difficult to find fitting hotkeys for everything, no suprise that they arent comfortable"
btw thats what counterstrike binds would look like if blizzard couldve done it:
walk: w
forward : f
left: l
right: r
... i guess u got the point
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