EPTGaming with Ritalin/Adderall? - Page 4
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
Anyway i've found that most people who defend it tend to be regular users and feel they are entitled to it because of their 'condition'. To me the whole "ADHD" thing is a joke, but i'm also not a doctor. It's hard to take it seriously when you see how Doctors diagnose it, and how easily they prescribe it to their patients (im sure pharmaceutical companies have a little part in this ADHD epidemic in America..). the symptons sound straight out of astrology "A person with ADHD may have some or all of the following symptoms: difficulty paying attention to details and tendency to make careless mistakes in school or other activities; producing work that is often messy and careless easily distracted by irrelevant stimuli and frequently interrupting ongoing tasks to attend to trivial noises or events that are usually ignored by others inability to sustain attention on tasks or activities difficulty finishing schoolwork or paperwork or performing tasks that require concentration frequent shifts from one uncompleted activity to another procrastination disorganized work habits forgetfulness in daily activities (for example, missing appointments, forgetting to bring lunch) failure to complete tasks such as homework or chores frequent shifts in conversation, not listening to others, not keeping one's mind on conversations, and not following details or rules of activities in social situations" I mean, really? | ||
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Chupacabra(UCSD)
Mexico225 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On June 20 2010 06:32 zizou21 wrote: Mohdoo how can you call taking adderall a placebo effect? I can't even make sense of that.. But yes I completely agree that it makes you inexpressive and curbs your creativity. I was not saying that the entire effect is a placebo. It is extremely helpful for me to keep my motivation and attention on things that I am not interested in. But it doesn't make me some kinda brainiac. It just lets me focus and keep attention on something I may not be excited for to begin with. What I was saying is a placebo is when people will take ADD medication and think "Hell yeah, I am a fuckin' genius now!" So they go into a game extremely confident in themselves. As a result, they play well. Why? Because they had a ton of confidence, not because of a micro pill or something. Sorry to be unclear, I can see how my post came off the wrong way. On June 20 2010 07:12 Chupacabra(UCSD) wrote: I took adderall for for my finals and I think it's pretty safe to say it's like "hacking" your brain. It's hard to explain how easy it makes everything that is scholastic. BUT It did make my hands jittery and gave me a general feeling of not wanting to move, just to sit and relax and read. So I don't know how beneficial it would be to starcraft play. Anyone else feel this? Yes, me too. But I think it is more so that all of us *really* want to do well in school, yet we get bored or tired of it. Perhaps a lack of interest makes our brains simply not process it as well as we do stuff we care about. Many of us here have no problems analyzing replays, trying out strategies over and over. Yet we struggle to focus on school. Its not that we suck at focusing, since we can focus easily in RTS games. Its that we lose interest and get too easily distracted when doing school work. ADD medications make it so that people can just kinda do whatever they want to do and they won't get bored of it. So as a result, since we already *WANTED* to do well in school, we just fucking dominate all our school work since we can finally focus. | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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SleepSheep
Canada344 Posts
On June 20 2010 07:15 Mohdoo wrote: I was not saying that the entire effect is a placebo. It is extremely helpful for me to keep my motivation and attention on things that I am not interested in. But it doesn't make me some kinda brainiac. It just lets me focus and keep attention on something I may not be excited for to begin with. What I was saying is a placebo is when people will take ADD medication and think "Hell yeah, I am a fuckin' genius now!" So they go into a game extremely confident in themselves. As a result, they play well. Why? Because they had a ton of confidence, not because of a micro pill or something. Sorry to be unclear, I can see how my post came off the wrong way. Yes, me too. But I think it is more so that all of us *really* want to do well in school, yet we get bored or tired of it. Perhaps a lack of interest makes our brains simply not process it as well as we do stuff we care about. Many of us here have no problems analyzing replays, trying out strategies over and over. Yet we struggle to focus on school. Its not that we suck at focusing, since we can focus easily in RTS games. Its that we lose interest and get too easily distracted when doing school work. ADD medications make it so that people can just kinda do whatever they want to do and they won't get bored of it. So as a result, since we already *WANTED* to do well in school, we just fucking dominate all our school work since we can finally focus. While I agree with you that this might be the case sometimes, I think I should take the time to say that it isn't the case all the time. We gotta remember people with actual ADD, and consider it a serious problem affecting brain chemistry/biology that no amount of interest in a topic can solve. The argument is often given that people with ADD can concentrate, so long as they are interested in something. This is basically a feel good argument that tries to make people feel as if they can surmount their problems through will alone, but it is completely misguided, and that's because there's a lot of false information out there about ADD. While a person with ADD can seem to function like a normal person when they are interested in something, this ability is limited in its scope. That is, any task that requires the sufferer to use strategical or long term planning, to delay gratification, to be aware of time, to name a few, are going to suffer significant disadvantages compared to their non-ADD peers. The effect that ADD has on a person's life is huge. It can be as as much as disability as autism, and I'm not talking about extreme cases either. People need to see it this way because both disabilities disable the sufferer at similar levels, only ADD isn't take as seriously because it's a lot difficult to measure it without the right knowledge or professional help. Part of the reason is that the side effects of ADD can be explained by a lot of other factors, and people would rather believe those factors then accept the fact that they, or their son or daughter etc, have something wrong with them. Again, the negative effects are HUGE, and people should start recognizing it so that they can greatly improve the quality of their life, and right now the best and only proven method to deal with it are with drugs like Ritalin. The negative effects of Ritalin are also greatly exaggerated. There are a lot of different drugs out there for ADD and finding the right dosage isn't always easy. The fact is that people with ADD who take these drugs and are on the right dosages, experience significant improvements in their life. | ||
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Iwbhs
United States195 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
I have come to the conclusion that debating complex topics on the internet is a complete and utter waste of time. Without the instantaneous, point/counter of RL discussion and the constantly varying participant pool, it just doesn't work... I would love to talk to you guys about religion and creationism vs evolution and politics and ADD and philosophy, but I just cant do it here. I used to do it all the time, but after a few years I realized that it just doesn't work at all. Now I see 8 page threads with some idiot arguing against intelligent design using Lamarkian Evolution or a religion "discussion" primarily involving Pascal's Wager and I just keeeeeeeeeeep on browsing... Anyone else kind of feel this? it sux but its true. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote: What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about. And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this). Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this. EDIT: Taking it as a prescribed medication for ADD/ADHD is a different story, that is not what I'm talking about here. read stuff like this makes me sad ;_;. I'm pretty dependent on this stuff, taking upwards to 40-50 mg a day.... gotta stop --_______- | ||
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Drayne
Canada239 Posts
In the US pretty much every retard is prescribed Adderall,Ritalin,etc to make them not so braindead zombie-like. Outside the US you probably have to smoke meth or snort cocaine to get similar benefits. I really dont have to read anymore..... P.S : US isnt a planet, your not alone.... | ||
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
On June 20 2010 10:01 Iwbhs wrote: I gamed with adderall for years and HIGHLY suggest it. pls ban. PLS! motivating people to dope(=cheat)..... i hope an admin reads this. | ||
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ordos
Australia38 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
I don't see it having a significant benefit in improving game performance over a short period of time. It's not going to make a progamer focus much better during there first couple games, you can only focus so hard and they have excellent focus anyways. Stimulants will help during an all day practice session or all day tournament, or basically stuff that requires lots of focus for relatively long amounts of time when normally your brain wants to stop and rest after a while. | ||
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Nithix
United States184 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/images/archive/amphetamine_3d.jpg) Versus Meth ![[image loading]](http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/images/archive/methamphetamine_3d.jpg) First saw and read about the very close comparison of these two molecules when I was a freshman in high school. Essentially the two complex substances differ by just one bond. ADD and ADHD is a complete joke of a disorder. Treating it with amphetamines just makes it a bigger joke in my mind. My friends and many other people have many of the 'symptoms' of ADD/ADHD, yet we all live our lives completely free of any sort of medications. Who honestly does not get side tracked when performing simple tasks from time to time? Every single symptom seems completely normal of every single high school student I have ever known. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
Gaming with Ritalin/Adderall? Stim pack is a double edged sword. | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
Also, to the guy taking 40mg-50mg a day: try every week or 2 to reduce your dosage by 5mg. It's gonna suck, and you won't feel "cracked out" anymore, but it'll be tolerable and you won't spiral down into harsh depression. Try to do this until you can get down to a healthy 5mg a day...even if it takes a year | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 20 2010 16:18 billyX333 wrote: Adderall Versus Meth First saw and read about the very close comparison of these two molecules when I was a freshman in high school. Essentially the two complex substances differ by just one bond. ADD and ADHD is a complete joke of a disorder. Treating it with amphetamines just makes it a bigger joke in my mind. My friends and many other people have many of the 'symptoms' of ADD/ADHD, yet we all live our lives completely free of any sort of medications. Who honestly does not get side tracked when performing simple tasks from time to time? Every single symptom seems completely normal of every single high school student I have ever known. Where the hell did you go to school man? The fact that you can look at the molecular structure of two substances and they look similar has NOTHING to do with how they act in a complex system such as the human body. Look at Thalidomide: ![[image loading]](http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v4/n4/images/nrc1323-i1.jpg) These two are the EXACTLY same molecular structures, one is simply a mirrored isomer of the other. However, R-Thalidomide is a nice sedative drug, and S-Thalidomide makes your kids look like this: ![[image loading]](http://politicolnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/20060321_thalidomidebaby_3.jpg) Thats a pretty significant difference eh? Before you decide to get all irate and opinionated on ADHD and say things like: ADD and ADHD is a complete joke of a disorder. Treating it with amphetamines just makes it a bigger joke You may want to actually read into the subject and talk to people who are involved in the treatment and science behind the condition. | ||
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ordos
Australia38 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote: What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about. And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this). Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this. EDIT: Taking it as a prescribed medication for ADD/ADHD is a different story, that is not what I'm talking about here. To be quite honest, I don't think ADD/ADHD is a disease/condition (whatever). I've been diagnosed with it and quite honestly, I think of it as a blessing. The inability to focus means bad shit can never bring you down, and your mind is always jumping around to different places. It also can help with boredom. Just my take on it. | ||
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