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What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about.
And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this).
Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this.
EDIT: Taking it as a prescribed medication for ADD/ADHD is a different story, that is not what I'm talking about here.
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^What algeriaT said is 100% true and should be written on the pill bottles :p
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There are numerous documentaries on drug use in Esports, just google it.
Yes, it is EXTREMELY widespread in FPS gaming.
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would this rock your world knowing for instance flash uses adderall?
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Yes it helps gaming a lot but it seriously fucks you up badly in just about 1 year. Cons > Pros. Don't do it.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
it can REALLY help in poker, focus, not having any tells, being able to stay in a game a long time
ive played SC on it too and it wasn't good, i kept becoming too focused on micro or something to remember to macro lol
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On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote:
What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about.
And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this).
Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this.
What about all the people with ADHD who take this medication their entire lives?
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On June 19 2010 23:43 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote:
What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about.
And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this).
Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this. What about all the people with ADHD who take this medication their entire lives?
For a lot of ADHD sufferers, ADHD disappears going into adulthood (at least enough to stop taking medication and lead a reasonably normal life).
For the rest, who knows! Apparently Ritalin can lead to all sorts of psychosis, though for most people any psychotic symptoms will stop following ceasing use of the drug. It has also been shown to bring the onset of Schizophrenia earlier.
From Wikipedia:
"Methylphenidate is a drug of abuse. Methylphenidate like other stimulants increases dopamine levels but at therapeutic doses the increase is slow and thus euphoria does not typically occur except in rare instances. The abuse potential is increased when methylphenidate is crushed and snorted or when it is injected producing effects almost identical to cocaine. Cocaine-like effects can also occur with very large doses taken orally. The dose, however, that produces euphoric effects varies between individuals. Methylphenidate is actually more potent than cocaine in its effect on dopamine transporters. Methylphenidate should not be viewed as a weak stimulant as has previously been hypothesised. The primary source of methylphenidate for abuse is diversion from legitimate prescriptions rather than illicit synthesis. Those who use it to stay awake do so by taking it orally, while intranasal and intravenous are the preferred means for inducing euphoria. IV users tend to be adults whose use may cause panlobular pulmonary emphysema. Methylphenidate has a high potential for drug dependence and addictive abuse due to its similar pharmacologically to cocaine and amphetamines. Abuse of prescription stimulants is higher amongst college students than non-college attending young adults. College students use methylphenidate either as a study aid or to stay awake longer. Increased alcohol consumption due to stimulant misuse has additional negative effects on health.
Methylphenidate's pharmacological effect on the central nervous system is almost identical to that of cocaine. Studies have shown that the two drugs are nearly indistinguishable when administered intravenously to cocaine addicts. However, cocaine has a slightly higher affinity for the dopamine receptor in comparison to methylphenidate, which is thought to be the mechanism of the euphoria associated with the relatively short-lived cocaine high."
In conclusion, taking Ritalin is a great idea! 
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ritalin only works if you have ADHD, otherwise it has a quite contrary effect and is used often if you have to stay awake for a long time.
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Better question would be"Do ADHD people play SC better than non-ADHD people?" :-D
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On June 19 2010 23:43 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote:
What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about.
And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this).
Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this. What about all the people with ADHD who take this medication their entire lives?
I can only presume they would be doing so to correct an imbalance, not to create one. And on prescription from doctors who know what they're doing, thus minimizing any risks. Quite a different situation from what the op was about.
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This is a very interesting topic. Maybe Redbull would be willing to sponsor the next HDH Tourny? Just a thought, but their prime market is the younger crowd and Sc2 fanatics are mostly the younger crowd.
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On June 20 2010 00:10 Melt wrote:
ritalin only works if you have ADHD, otherwise it has a quite contrary effect and is used often if you have to stay awake for a long time.
Sounds like it's having the same effect on ADHD and those without...it makes them concentrate more easlily....I have an ADHD diagnosis and have been on all of these drugs, they made me hyperfocused and energetic, I definitely couldn't sleep for a while after taking them. Isn't this the same thing people taking them for studying or SC are going for?
On June 20 2010 00:06 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 23:43 sob3k wrote:On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote:
What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about.
And don't even think about it if you have any sort of heart condition in your genes (most will not be aware of having this).
Not saying this is true for everyone, but I'd definitely say the majority. If you want to sharpen your awareness, find a natural way to practice it. Pay for it with your efforts now, instead of your ability to live a normal life later on. There are plenty of ways to do this. What about all the people with ADHD who take this medication their entire lives? For a lot of ADHD sufferers, ADHD disappears going into adulthood (at least enough to stop taking medication and lead a reasonably normal life). For the rest, who knows! Apparently Ritalin can lead to all sorts of psychosis, though for most people any psychotic symptoms will stop following ceasing use of the drug. It has also been shown to bring the onset of Schizophrenia earlier. From Wikipedia: "Methylphenidate is a drug of abuse. Methylphenidate like other stimulants increases dopamine levels but at therapeutic doses the increase is slow and thus euphoria does not typically occur except in rare instances. The abuse potential is increased when methylphenidate is crushed and snorted or when it is injected producing effects almost identical to cocaine. Cocaine-like effects can also occur with very large doses taken orally. The dose, however, that produces euphoric effects varies between individuals. Methylphenidate is actually more potent than cocaine in its effect on dopamine transporters. Methylphenidate should not be viewed as a weak stimulant as has previously been hypothesised. The primary source of methylphenidate for abuse is diversion from legitimate prescriptions rather than illicit synthesis. Those who use it to stay awake do so by taking it orally, while intranasal and intravenous are the preferred means for inducing euphoria. IV users tend to be adults whose use may cause panlobular pulmonary emphysema. Methylphenidate has a high potential for drug dependence and addictive abuse due to its similar pharmacologically to cocaine and amphetamines. Abuse of prescription stimulants is higher amongst college students than non-college attending young adults. College students use methylphenidate either as a study aid or to stay awake longer. Increased alcohol consumption due to stimulant misuse has additional negative effects on health. Methylphenidate's pharmacological effect on the central nervous system is almost identical to that of cocaine. Studies have shown that the two drugs are nearly indistinguishable when administered intravenously to cocaine addicts. However, cocaine has a slightly higher affinity for the dopamine receptor in comparison to methylphenidate, which is thought to be the mechanism of the euphoria associated with the relatively short-lived cocaine high." In conclusion, taking Ritalin is a great idea!
Wtf is this, sure you can abuse Ritalin...but I know several people including my dad who take Ritalin with great positive effects and have been doing so for years. They did go through clinical trials for these pharmaceuticals you know....They are certainly safe in some quantity.
As for the dosing thing...the funny part is, the doctor doesn't painstakingly calculate you out a dose based on metabolic statistics or anything...Basically you start on a standard low dosage and Increase or decrease it by a few mg at a time until you feel you have a dose that allows you to concentrate without feeling jittery and wierd.
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On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote:
What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about.
this definitely isn't true for me considering i took adderal for 5 years for ADD, and now I am off of it and I've pretty much been cured
my opinion on this is: taking it for games is retarded, unless you're just taking drugs to feel good. but then why does it matter if ur gaming. if you can't focus on your games you are playing the wrong games or you actually have ADD or some other mental issues and need to deal with that.
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just go for ephedrine instead, you can get that anywhere in US lol
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On June 20 2010 00:51 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 22:09 AlgeriaT wrote:
What you gain in concentration now, you will lose later on in your life. Don't think using this shit is free, because it isn't. Wait until you get to your 30s-40s and watch depression and feelings of meaninglessness set in. Emotional states that you will not understand from where they are coming, and that you will have a fucking miserably hard time doing anything about. this definitely isn't true for me considering i took adderal for 5 years for ADD, and now I am off of it and I've pretty much been cured my opinion on this is: taking it for games is retarded, unless you're just taking drugs to feel good. but then why does it matter if ur gaming. if you can't focus on your games you are playing the wrong games or you actually have ADD or some other mental issues and need to deal with that.
Read up a few posts mate, I wasn't talking about these drugs as prescribed medication (editing my first post for clarity)
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drugs for school
haha
you americans crack me up everytime
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On June 20 2010 00:30 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 00:10 Melt wrote:
ritalin only works if you have ADHD, otherwise it has a quite contrary effect and is used often if you have to stay awake for a long time. Sounds like it's having the same effect on ADHD and those without...it makes them concentrate more easlily....I have an ADHD diagnosis and have been on all of these drugs, they made me hyperfocused and energetic, I definitely couldn't sleep for a while after taking them. Isn't this the same thing people taking them for studying or SC are going for?
That assumes that you (and others) are correctly diagnosed. ADHD is believed to be the most over-diagnosed affliction in the world and doesn't even meet a number of the standards for the DSM, but managed to get in anyway. There's quite a bit of controversy involved with ADD/ADHD.
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To those people arguing about negative long time effects, do you have any case studies proving these "assumptions"? It sounds like a bromide "drugs are bad", isn't it a question of classification? what about caffeine et cetera..
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