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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:34 Windblade wrote: Rage, if Artosis is a good indication, then most pro's are pro-Blizzard Artosis is not and has never been even close to a brood war pro >< I have no idea where you got that idea from. He is however funnily enough employed (or at least was) by a site who relies among else on videos of brood war games for revenue. (scforall) I very much doubt they pay any royalties =p. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On February 18 2010 14:54 Go0g3n wrote: You got it wrong. KeSPA is a ruling agency (body) it doesn't pay anything to anybody. It's run by representative of Pro Teams and one each from OGN and MBC channels. They are the ones who will have to pay royalties for every single commercial broadcast involving StarCraft II, let alone all the sub-media that goes with it. In US Blizzard would be entitled to a huge amount of royalties payments, in Korea it's enough to own a legal copy of the game to broadcast. Blizzard already tried to deal with relevant Korean authorities, but they were sent to "deal with KeSPA". They also tried to deal with MBC/OGN separately, failed there as well. But, and it's a big but, they can't broadcast games played over the web, i.e. on Battle.net, as it requires a completely different international license, which they won't get. Since there's no Lan - no broadcasts for now. KeSPA answered by killing GOM. Blizzard was heavily sponsoring it, as it was getting more and more popular, probably aiming to build a platform for future SC2 broadcasts, leagues etc, they were shut down by decision of the majority KeSPA teams to not participate in GOM. As said by artosis in a recent interview - it's a dead end with a lot of money at stake. I covered all this in three KeSPA/Blizzard articles on GG.net Another thing that's important is that Blizzard did absolutely nothing for StarCraft in terms of it's promotion and huge Korean and e-Sports success. They've even stopped supporting it after WC3 came out. It was KeSPA (at the time KPGA) who built the billion dollar industry of Korean StarCraft gaming and broadcasting. On the other hand you have to realize that StarCraft broadcast is immensely profitable in Korea, be it on OGN, MBC, GOM, whatever. It costs next to nothing to create a 2+ hour broadcast that beats everything in 18-34 ratings - the most valued by advertisers. The costs are so low they can be only compared with a cheap-ass 30min/week game show, rather than 15hr/week of StarCraft broadcasts. awesome post, thanks a bunch | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:25 HeartOfTofu wrote: (...). KeSPA is the Koren eSports PLAYERS Association. If you believe that people who play games should pay Blizzard royalties for selling the rights to watch them play, then you've got other things you need to sort out in your head... Heh, kespa is korean esports players association. Guess how many players do they associate? >.> This is just a name, players don't benefit from kespa, unless you state that making rules that make it almost IMPOSSIBLE to switch team (thus killing any competition between teams in terms of conditions for players and killing chances for getting better salaries to players) are something good for players :| Kespa is bad, kespa wants to earn money from Blizzard's intellectual property - these are facts | ||
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:36 UdderChaos wrote: Have you not read the last 2 pages, clearly stating that actually in most examples products are used without paying royalties? Like photoshop, the microphones the casters use, the cameras, the seats, the computers, the sports equipment in NFL? Photoshop doesn't need royalties because adobe charges $500 for its software. The same goes with microphones/cameras, to buy professional grade equipment, its insanely expensive because companies mark them up like crazy, not because they cost that much more to produce and they know that companies can and are willing to pay that much for it. Unfortunately, blizzard can't sell sc2 to KeSPA for $100,000 and sell it to everyone else for 50. | ||
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
what kespa is doing and is, would be considered illegal in the US. Now what does that say? | ||
Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:47 ejac wrote: blizzard can't sell sc2 to KeSPA for $100,000 and sell it to everyone else for 50. Why not? (and actually i would say more like $400 per copy or something similar to that.) | ||
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:48 Windblade wrote: here's a another example what kespa is doing and is, would be considered illegal in the US. Now what does that say? Nothing, cause the K in KeSPA stands for Korea. | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:48 Windblade wrote: here's a another example what kespa is doing and is, would be considered illegal in the US. Now what does that say? It says that US laws give companies more rights to how their products are used than Korea. That's all. Just because something is illegal in one country and not in another doesn't say anything at all. If I go to the Middle East, I could be jailed for having sex with my girlfriend because we're not married. Hell, in the US, I could be jailed for having an ounce of marijuana. Does this mean that it's as reasonable law just because the US happens to have it? Our view of property rights and intellectual property rights is subject to opinion and the overall consensus differs depending on where in the world you go. There are places in the world where the idea of "intellectual property" would be viewed as absurd while there are other places like the USA where they are taken much more seriously. There's really no definite right or wrong here... Some of us just view what Blizzard expects as being absurd given the circumstances. Obviously there are people like you who think that Blizzard is being completely reasonable. It all falls to how much control and possession a person should have over his creation once he has sold it. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:32 RageOverdose wrote: From what I've read earlier in this thread, it's already been revealed that Blizzard attempted to do a league they sponsored through GOM and have English broadcasts, but KeSPA killed it by barring all the teams from participating, despite the fact that it was actually garnering a decent number of viewers outside of South Korea, which could lead to more and more viewers, more leagues, and finally get rid of some of that stigma that sport-like gaming has in many countries. And no one is really blaming KeSPA entirely I don't think, but they are hindering the expansion. There are other, non-KeSPA factors involved in this. I think this is wrongly accusing KeSPA. I'm pretty sure it was the teams that refused to participate in GOM, saying that it was too much of a burden for the players. Like season 3, only half the teams participated because half of them refused to participate. If KeSPA was behind this, then why would they only ban half the teams from playing in it? Its because players themselves are getting overloaded by pl, osl, msl, and gom. People like jaedong and flash were in 3 individual leagues and made regular appearance in normal and ace match in the proleague. Because of all this factors, the teams decided to not participate in the least prestigious tournament in the scene, which was GO | ||
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Believe2012
Netherlands3 Posts
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iounas
409 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:48 Windblade wrote: here's a another example what kespa is doing and is, would be considered illegal in the US. Now what does that say? That US is a shit country favoring companies and limiting freedom of normal citizens among other things . If I was kespa I would boycott the game and choose another and keep sc1.. Lets see how greedy blizzard likes that.. Starcraft would be nothing without them.. | ||
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RageOverdose
United States690 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:36 UdderChaos wrote: Have you not read the last 2 pages, clearly stating that actually in most examples products are used without paying royalties? Like photoshop, the microphones the casters use, the cameras, the seats, the computers, the sports equipment in NFL? I read the whole topic. I also read the comments talking about the tools. I'm pretty sure something like Photoshop does not need royalties because it isn't being broadcasted over television/internet as something for people to view that makes the broadcasting company money. I'm pretty sure no broadcaster has to do more than pay the company for the tools because said tools are on the market for such occasions. Besides, if the product brand name used is not identifiable on broadcast, the argument is moot anyway, and sometimes broadcasters can use products for lower prices through endorsements I believe. But most of these tools are made and sold for the very purpose of broadcasting. The seats? Those are so generic that I doubt copyright even applies to them. | ||
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
no its much more fair in laws regarding property and copyrights. That is the point. "the us is a shit country" since i calmed down - You're maturity astounds me. Oh and as a person knowledgeable with Islam, i would very much like to point out; All these "muslim" countries are NOT Islamic AT ALL. Their national rules, laws, practices are not representative of what the religion teaches. Religiously sleeping w/ your girlfriend is a sin, however that's your problem. Nowhere does it say you should be jailed or that you CAN be jailed. Point is the countries are disgraces to the religion and give it a bad name this topic is going nowhere | ||
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StalkerSC
Canada378 Posts
No joke. That US is a shit country favoring companies and limiting freedom of normal citizens among other things . If I was crazy I would boycott the game and choose another and keep nothing. Lets see how greedy blizzard likes that.. Starcraft would be better without them.. Your on crack..and fixed a few errors. | ||
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On February 22 2010 07:00 Windblade wrote: my point is the US is more fair in its laws regarding companies no its much more fair in laws regarding property and copyrights. That is the point. "the us is a shit country" ok shithole, the US is the dominant country in the world, and is the only thing keeping South Korea alive. I may not agree with everything the US does, but i sure as hell know that it has no equal when it comes to liberty. this topic is going nowhere You are a good example why I'm occasionally embarrassed to be an American. | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On February 18 2010 15:10 meegrean wrote: Blizzard shouldn't get a cut from Kespa. I mean, Blizzard is already going to make a lot of money from the guaranteed sales anyway. The progaming scene in Korea is seriously like a huge free advertisement for Blizzard. If Blizzard wants to make additional money, they should do it their own way by making their own tournaments or something. This imo. | ||
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
On February 22 2010 07:10 ejac wrote: You are a good example why I'm occasionally embarrassed to be an American. o rly? I didnt say anything ignorant. and actually it is true that South Korea would get butt-raped by North Korea if the US wasn't there. But yes i did get pissed T_T | ||
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caution.slip
United States775 Posts
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iounas
409 Posts
On February 22 2010 07:08 StalkerSC wrote: Your on crack..and fixed a few errors. My what? Its funny how its always the English native speakers that don't know how to write in their own language.. | ||
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