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Guess not, turrets get up just in time. Lux picks off an scv on his first pass.
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Luxury. Muta harass doing very little damage. 2 SCVs so far.
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On March 15 2009 15:43 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:42 maareek wrote:
Fantasy trying to pick off the ovie over the temple thing at his nat, but lux saves it. Losing that overlord would have been huge.
Just before his spire finished? On 2 hatch? Absolutely enormous.
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On March 15 2009 15:44 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:40 StylishVODs wrote:On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off. are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky. did you read what i wrote? 14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing. again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc. How can 14cc be more cheesy than 8rax? 8rax beats 1 thing 14cc beats alot of things hence 8rax is more cheesy. However i agree that flash shouldn't 14cc when he's the better player. It was stupid of him. i completely disagree 8 rax is far more adaptable and recoverable into standard play than 14cc is. plenty of players have failed 8 rax and still recovered in TvT, where a 14cc is autoloss. the build thats flexible and survivable against more possibilities in this situation is the less risky/cheesy build. you realize that 12 hatch hard counters nothing (hence beats 0 things) in ZvT ZvP right? and 4 pool beats 1 thing, that means 12h is more cheesy than 4pool? your logic is seriously flawed.
14cc loses to one thing, and that is a proxy. That's like saying that going 1 gate core in PvT without getting a Zealot is cheese, because it loses to proxy BBS.
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Muta/ling attack on the nat takes down 3 turrets. Bottom patches at Fantasy's nat exposed. Loses ~3 scvs. Bad micro from fantasy, he didn't even try to repair. tt
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Nice control by luxury. took out both turrents and a few scv's with some zerglings and mutas
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Hmm for some reason my post disappeared.
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Lux is going to backstab.
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Luxury: picks off 3 turrets protecting Fantasy's natural with sneaky lings + muta.
Fantasy: feints towards Luxury's natural in a counterattack. Surprisingly effective at killin off Lux's mutas.
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On March 15 2009 15:45 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:44 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:40 StylishVODs wrote:On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off. are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky. did you read what i wrote? 14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing. again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc. How can 14cc be more cheesy than 8rax? 8rax beats 1 thing 14cc beats alot of things hence 8rax is more cheesy. However i agree that flash shouldn't 14cc when he's the better player. It was stupid of him. i completely disagree 8 rax is far more adaptable and recoverable into standard play than 14cc is. plenty of players have failed 8 rax and still recovered in TvT, where a 14cc is autoloss. the build thats flexible and survivable against more possibilities in this situation is the less risky/cheesy build. you realize that 12 hatch hard counters nothing (hence beats 0 things) in ZvT ZvP right? and 4 pool beats 1 thing, that means 12h is more cheesy than 4pool? your logic is seriously flawed. 14cc loses to one thing, and that is a proxy. That's like saying that going 1 gate core in PvT without getting a Zealot is cheese, because it loses to proxy BBS.
Except, 1 gate core doesn't autolose to proxy BBS -_-
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On March 15 2009 15:40 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off. are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky. did you read what i wrote? 14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing. again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc. Don't put words in my mouth. Who said I was pissed off? You're trying to blow smoke when there's nothing there. I'm not arguing with you, I'm stating that Fantasy's decision to go 8 rax was because he knew Flash was the better player.
you are arguing that Fantasy's build was risky cheese while completely ignoring flash's build, which is more risky and stupid. if fantasy had a "low chance" to beat him playing standard, why didn't Flash play standard? why did flash try to take a completely unnecessary risk when he could just play standard and win since fantasy is so much worse than him like you say?
PS the last time they played on colosseum, Fantasy beat Flash. Maybe Flash didn't want to play standard and did a risky 14cc cheese build because that's the only way he would've beaten Fantasy? Dumb logic.
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base swap
Lux's 3rd for Fantasys Nat
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Crap those lurkers are going to do a ton of dammage
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Lux: 3 lurkers in Fantasy's nat. Stops mining.
Fantasy: attacks Lux's lower right, takes it out.
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Base trading is not a good idea fantasy.
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On March 15 2009 15:47 Seraphim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:45 Shikyo wrote:On March 15 2009 15:44 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:40 StylishVODs wrote:On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off. are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky. did you read what i wrote? 14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing. again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc. How can 14cc be more cheesy than 8rax? 8rax beats 1 thing 14cc beats alot of things hence 8rax is more cheesy. However i agree that flash shouldn't 14cc when he's the better player. It was stupid of him. i completely disagree 8 rax is far more adaptable and recoverable into standard play than 14cc is. plenty of players have failed 8 rax and still recovered in TvT, where a 14cc is autoloss. the build thats flexible and survivable against more possibilities in this situation is the less risky/cheesy build. you realize that 12 hatch hard counters nothing (hence beats 0 things) in ZvT ZvP right? and 4 pool beats 1 thing, that means 12h is more cheesy than 4pool? your logic is seriously flawed. 14cc loses to one thing, and that is a proxy. That's like saying that going 1 gate core in PvT without getting a Zealot is cheese, because it loses to proxy BBS. Except, 1 gate core doesn't autolose to proxy BBS -_-
I wonder about that...
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Fantasy moving to attack bottom right, loses too many rines to piss-poor micro. Luxury moving around for a lurker counter on fantasy's nat. Not much there. Fantasy charges bottom right, forces the drones to flee. Kills it.
Luxury shuts down Fantasy's nat and forces a liftoff.
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Lux is going into 2 base hive.
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