On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly

BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.

I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build

Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.

Don't put words in my mouth. Who said I was pissed off?

You're trying to blow smoke when there's nothing there. I'm not arguing with you, I'm stating that Fantasy's decision to go 8 rax was because he knew Flash was the better player.

you are arguing that Fantasy's build was risky cheese while completely ignoring flash's build, which is more risky and stupid. if fantasy had a "low chance" to beat him playing standard, why didn't Flash play standard? why did flash try to take a completely unnecessary risk when he could just play standard and win since fantasy is so much worse than him like you say?

PS the last time they played on colosseum, Fantasy beat Flash. Maybe Flash didn't want to play standard and did a risky 14cc cheese build because that's the only way he would've beaten Fantasy???

As far as the 8 rax vs. the 14cc builds go, for me it is always hard to tell, which one might be cheese and which one is not. That is because Pro players can do really crazy things with builds that seem risky. I know sAviOr depends heavily on his ling micro while he builds up his economy. From what I see, Flash seems to do the same thing with his 14CC build. Nevertheless, I'm wrong to the extent with this view in that Flash should know better than to use a build where he has been foiled many times before, namely with Jaedong. Still, if he went with that build, regardless of his televised matches, it may be that this build is highly effective for him in practice.

thunk

United States6233 Posts

March 15 2009 06:51 GMT

#1689

That's not good.

Hyperionnn

Turkey4968 Posts

March 15 2009 06:51 GMT

#1690

ace match is coming

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

March 15 2009 06:52 GMT

#1691

Sigh...Fantasy....

Samurai-

Slovenia2035 Posts

March 15 2009 06:52 GMT

#1692

HAHA, i cant believe flash just lost to "THIS"...

eatmyshorts5

United States1530 Posts

March 15 2009 06:52 GMT

#1693

Fantasy is out of this game. There is no way he can come back. Hopefully Best can get the job done.

Orbifold

United States1922 Posts

March 15 2009 06:52 GMT

#1694

Luxury forces fantasy to lift nat cc again. Fantasy goes for drop in Lux's main but it's no good...

Lux is established out side Fantasy's base.

ShloobeR

Korea (South)3829 Posts

March 15 2009 06:52 GMT

#1695

fantasy desperately trying to claw his way back into this game with dropship harass but luxury is havin gnone of it and snieps the dropship,

expect GG soon

eatmyshorts5

United States1530 Posts

March 15 2009 06:52 GMT

#1696

On March 15 2009 15:51 Qwertify wrote:

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On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:

I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build

Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

Please just let this thing go. PLEASE