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Coffee
Profile Joined March 2008
United Kingdom347 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1681
niceeeeeeeeeee
Shengster
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States167 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1682
Great defiler micro by Luxury...
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1683
did fantasy juts run his rines under a swarm?
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1684
outstanding swarms!
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1685
LUXURY!
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3851 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1686
this is over

fantasy failed against that push hardcore
: o )
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1687
wow luxury is actually playing a nonboring game
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1688
On March 15 2009 15:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:40 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly


BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.


I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build


Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.


Don't put words in my mouth. Who said I was pissed off?

You're trying to blow smoke when there's nothing there. I'm not arguing with you, I'm stating that Fantasy's decision to go 8 rax was because he knew Flash was the better player.

you are arguing that Fantasy's build was risky cheese while completely ignoring flash's build, which is more risky and stupid. if fantasy had a "low chance" to beat him playing standard, why didn't Flash play standard? why did flash try to take a completely unnecessary risk when he could just play standard and win since fantasy is so much worse than him like you say?

PS the last time they played on colosseum, Fantasy beat Flash. Maybe Flash didn't want to play standard and did a risky 14cc cheese build because that's the only way he would've beaten Fantasy???


As far as the 8 rax vs. the 14cc builds go, for me it is always hard to tell, which one might be cheese and which one is not. That is because Pro players can do really crazy things with builds that seem risky. I know sAviOr depends heavily on his ling micro while he builds up his economy. From what I see, Flash seems to do the same thing with his 14CC build. Nevertheless, I'm wrong to the extent with this view in that Flash should know better than to use a build where he has been foiled many times before, namely with Jaedong. Still, if he went with that build, regardless of his televised matches, it may be that this build is highly effective for him in practice.
CJ Entusman #24
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1689
That's not good.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
March 15 2009 06:51 GMT
#1690
ace match is coming
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 15 2009 06:52 GMT
#1691
Sigh...Fantasy....
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
March 15 2009 06:52 GMT
#1692
HAHA, i cant believe flash just lost to "THIS"...
One ring, to rule them all!
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
March 15 2009 06:52 GMT
#1693
Fantasy is out of this game. There is no way he can come back. Hopefully Best can get the job done.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
March 15 2009 06:52 GMT
#1694
Luxury forces fantasy to lift nat cc again. Fantasy goes for drop in Lux's main but it's no good...

Lux is established out side Fantasy's base.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3851 Posts
March 15 2009 06:52 GMT
#1695
fantasy desperately trying to claw his way back into this game with dropship harass but luxury is havin gnone of it and snieps the dropship,

expect GG soon
: o )
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
March 15 2009 06:52 GMT
#1696
On March 15 2009 15:51 Qwertify wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:40 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly


BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.


I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build


Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.


Don't put words in my mouth. Who said I was pissed off?

You're trying to blow smoke when there's nothing there. I'm not arguing with you, I'm stating that Fantasy's decision to go 8 rax was because he knew Flash was the better player.

you are arguing that Fantasy's build was risky cheese while completely ignoring flash's build, which is more risky and stupid. if fantasy had a "low chance" to beat him playing standard, why didn't Flash play standard? why did flash try to take a completely unnecessary risk when he could just play standard and win since fantasy is so much worse than him like you say?

PS the last time they played on colosseum, Fantasy beat Flash. Maybe Flash didn't want to play standard and did a risky 14cc cheese build because that's the only way he would've beaten Fantasy???


As far as the 8 rax vs. the 14cc builds go, for me it is always hard to tell, which one might be cheese and which one is not. That is because Pro players can do really crazy things with builds that seem risky. I know sAviOr depends heavily on his ling micro while he builds up his economy. From what I see, Flash seems to do the same thing with his 14CC build. Nevertheless, I'm wrong to the extent with this view in that Flash should know better than to use a build where he has been foiled many times before, namely with Jaedong. Still, if he went with that build, regardless of his televised matches, it may be that this build is highly effective for him in practice.

Please just let this thing go. PLEASE
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3851 Posts
March 15 2009 06:53 GMT
#1697
Swarm/Lurker combo has reached the barracks
: o )
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
March 15 2009 06:53 GMT
#1698
OK will SKT send best?
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
March 15 2009 06:53 GMT
#1699
GG!

KTF Fighting!!!
I feel like pwning noobs
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
March 15 2009 06:53 GMT
#1700
as expected, an epic 7 game series.
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
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