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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 06:41:09
March 15 2009 06:40 GMT
#1621
Guys theres a reason that flash put his head in his hands and was pissed off rather than walking out and saying fantasy got luckey, its because he knew that he lost that game from going 14cc, just drop it, fantasy was smart
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 06:41:34
March 15 2009 06:41 GMT
#1622
CC making for Fantasy. Lair making for lux. Fantasy sees it.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
March 15 2009 06:41 GMT
#1623
On March 15 2009 15:40 Shengster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly


BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.


I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build


Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.


Don't put words in my mouth. Who said I was pissed off?

You're trying to blow smoke when there's nothing there. I'm not arguing with you, I'm stating that Fantasy's decision to go 8 rax was because he knew Flash was the better player.

Can we just shut the fuck up about this? This was last game. Now it's this game. Just shut up and move on.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
immacolate
Profile Joined February 2009
Serbia199 Posts
March 15 2009 06:41 GMT
#1624
boxer never looked like a geek
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
March 15 2009 06:42 GMT
#1625
Fantasy trying to pick off the ovie over the temple thing at his nat, but lux saves it.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
March 15 2009 06:42 GMT
#1626
On March 15 2009 15:41 immacolate wrote:
boxer never looked like a geek

I don't know. I remember seeing picture way back before the progaming scene got big and he looked pretty geeky.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
March 15 2009 06:42 GMT
#1627
Spire making for lux. Acad finished for Fantasy.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
immacolate
Profile Joined February 2009
Serbia199 Posts
March 15 2009 06:42 GMT
#1628
btw, flash always goes 14cc and he should be punished for that much more often
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1629
Fantasy isn't very well known for his MnM play, I think Lux was expecting him to go mech.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1630
On March 15 2009 15:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:41 immacolate wrote:
boxer never looked like a geek

I don't know. I remember seeing picture way back before the progaming scene got big and he looked pretty geeky.

If you mean around the year 2000, he looked pretty damn good.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Sunburn
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada70 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1631
On March 15 2009 15:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:41 immacolate wrote:
boxer never looked like a geek

I don't know. I remember seeing picture way back before the progaming scene got big and he looked pretty geeky.



Yeah, when he was sporting the glasses and a funny haircut.
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1632
Fantasy: 1 rax expo.
Luxury: 2 hatch mutas. Just expanded lower right.
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1633
shit, sunken break inc?
| QuanticGaming.com | There is no greater feeling then to find order in the chaos, as you slip the puzzle pieces in place.
immacolate
Profile Joined February 2009
Serbia199 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1634
On March 15 2009 15:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:41 immacolate wrote:
boxer never looked like a geek

I don't know. I remember seeing picture way back before the progaming scene got big and he looked pretty geeky.


that was just because of "space suits" they used to wear
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1635
E-bay coming for Fantasy. I'm not good with tvz timings, but I think it's a tad late.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
Shengster
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States167 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1636
On March 15 2009 15:42 maareek wrote:
Fantasy trying to pick off the ovie over the temple thing at his nat, but lux saves it.


Losing that overlord would have been huge.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1637
Lux doesn't have speed yet, I hope he doesn't forget it.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
March 15 2009 06:43 GMT
#1638
god the stream has been uselesssss tonight
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
March 15 2009 06:44 GMT
#1639
On March 15 2009 15:40 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:
On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly


BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.


I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build


Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.


How can 14cc be more cheesy than 8rax?

8rax beats 1 thing
14cc beats alot of things

hence 8rax is more cheesy.

However i agree that flash shouldn't 14cc when he's the better player. It was stupid of him.

i completely disagree

8 rax is far more adaptable and recoverable into standard play than 14cc is. plenty of players have failed 8 rax and still recovered in TvT, where a 14cc is autoloss. the build thats flexible and survivable against more possibilities in this situation is the less risky/cheesy build.

you realize that 12 hatch hard counters nothing (hence beats 0 things) in ZvT ZvP right? and 4 pool beats 1 thing, that means 12h is more cheesy than 4pool? your logic is seriously flawed.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 15 2009 06:44 GMT
#1640
Lux doing 2hat muta? No. Way.
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